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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ

a crime is crime. Nothing undoes what Uma does...what if a rape victim marries the rapist in the name of family honor? Was it no longer rape? He kidnapped n married a woman without her consent. No is no! He didn't accept that no. There is no justification. Kanak decides to return so what? It doesn't mean she consented to being married against her will. Also she has always been clear that she doesn't see their relatiinship working as they are too different. So, when has she accepted the marriage?

Sorry sweets ...I agree a crime is a crime...but th S isn't about to rape..we should not compare those things...isn't Kanak responsible for her own safety...She deliberately put herself in jeopardy...not thinking what could happen...all for the dookhan...


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Posted: 8 years ago
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I would say yes, for the better of the show he should be arrested. Because such situation will make Kanak defend him, show some feelings for him, the story will move on.
Otherwise, being fair, he is guilty and should be punished if the victim makes complaint. She is over 18, she can fight for herself.
But did anybody ask her what she wants?
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ

if the children didn't consent to the wedding then the children can ask the police to press charges. If the children don't complain but, are underage then also charges are possible. Just because he did it for dharam, Kanak returned, etc. Doesn't make the initial forced marriage legal ...consent was required for marriage n not obtained.


Thanks for answering and for your rightness.This is my opinion too. Nobody's above the low, if we have to be fair.
But i felt some air of subjectivism (i didn't say hypocrisy) around...that's why i asked...
You said correctly, young people involved should complain to police, not others, if they are not under 18...
Adding: (to ease the air) and so, the sets should move into jail 😆
Edited by hindifan - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: hindifan

In many shows/ movies hero and heroine marry by thier parents wish. They dont't love each other, sometimes they haven't ever seen each other or even hate each other. They try to oposite but finally the elders have last word and the two young-people are trapped in an undesired union.

Just a simple question: Should these parents be in jail?

I only talk about shows, any similarity with real life is accidental.


See, my point DOES NOT mean dat parents shud be arrested..but Indian law gives every individual of 18 yrs and above, d right to marry whoever he/she wants..so in case d person wants to take police's help, there is possibility dat d parents get arrested..

Uma has violated dis right of Kanak..so arrest is justified, IN MY VIEW!!
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Posted: 8 years ago
#25

Originally posted by: sneha_17


Hope you belief comes true...

you are so angry which is justified..

May be you are not married or you have a wonderful married life...

Laws are different when marriage gets involved

Please don't make this personal. Also I am not angry - it's a show.

Unfortunately this happens in reality as well and when it does then the law is a blunt instrument to solve the problems. The law isnt magic that will resolve the matter perfectly which is why some dont turn to the law or opt for out of court resolutions. People also don't go for legal help fearing they won't get help because their oppressor is powerful or unawareness of their rights or fear of further societal condemnation. The law is, however, there to ensure protection of the weakest n most helpless in a society. It is important to show that there are legal consequences for the type of action conducted by UmaShankar. Also just as in this fiction the victims in reality may not take immediate action because of a myriad ofreasons - family honour, fear, bribe, emotional attachment, religious beliefs, etc. So, it makes matters murky. As a viewer of DABH n this show it is my hope that these issues be tackled despite thecomplexities of it. Other shows ignore n to some extent glorify such behavior n romanticize it. Hopefully these makers will be more sensible.
Edited by AnjanaYYZ - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@ Shali- agree it's not about rape here. My only point is that No is No! Be it marriage or rape. No man has right to override a woman's No. Be it for marriage or for sex.
Also I 've always been consistent. Kanak's moves were dumb and foolish. She is lucky he didnt force the physical aspect. Uma's action were, however, illegal.
Edited by AnjanaYYZ - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Unfortunately this happens in reality as well and when it does then the law is a blunt instrument to solve the problems. The law isnt magic that will resolve the matter perfectly which is why some dont turn to the law or opt for out of court resolutions. People also don't go for legal help fearing they won't get help because their oppressor is powerful or unawareness of their rights or fear of further societal condemnation. The law is, however, there to ensure protection of the weakest n most helpless in a society. It is important to show that there are legal consequences for the type of action conducted by UmaShankar. Also just as in this fiction the victims in reality may not take immediate action because of a myriad ofreasons - family honour, fear, bribe, emotional attachment, religious beliefs, etc. So, it makes matters murky. As a viewer of DABH n this show it is my hope that these issues be tackled despite thecomplexities of it. Other shows ignore n to some extent glorify such behavior n romanticize it. Hopefully these makers will be more sensible.



Sorry nothing personal

I agree , the show educate that there are Laws to support.

I just hope it won't create false facade

Half baked knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge

That's the point, I have seen people argue about things with fictional knowledge
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Posted: 8 years ago
#28

Originally posted by: sneha_17



Exactly 100% agreed



The scenario you pointed at has one very big and important difference, Consent and if those kids didn't consent then their family needs to be jailed

Irregardless of what happened later and what reason she came back for, Kanak did not consent to this marriage, she was literally pulled scratching and biting to the mandap.

Since u keep bringing up other shows/movies...all those men deserve jail too and atleast most of those blackmailed the females (still deserve jail)...the females still somewhat had a choice even if the alternative was no choice...Kanak was forcefully picked up while she was biting scratching and crying and put in the mandap by body force.

This is why this show is more progressive than those shows because they're jailing their male lead for his crime and not glorifying forced marriages and lack of consent yet the majority of their audience (on here anyways) want the show to be regressive and keep justifying the wrongness of male leads actions and shifting the blame on to the female.

US committed a crime...kidnap and forced marriage and as long as he's getting jailed for those reasons then its justified. Dunno anything abt Indian Law but around here, thats a cause for getting jailed.


Edit: misread ur scenario, basically if the parents have the last decision and the child clearly refused this marriage then its forced and they should be jailed.
Edited by Ahlaam5 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#29
Also at the end of the day...laws are man made and need to change with time.

I heard marital rape was not recognised in India (i dunno if its changed) but thats where you see how much laws need to be amended.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#30

Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ

@ Shali- agree it's not about rape here. My only point is that No is No! Be it marriage or rape. No man has right to override a woman's No. Be it for marriage or for sex.

Also I 've always been consistent. Kanak's moves were dumb and foolish. She is lucky he didnt force the physical aspect. Uma's action were, however, illegal.


Sweets ...I know...
And I agree US should never forced this marriage on kanak...
And he should be punished...
But it's not kanak place anymore...to do that...she lost that right...
If her brothers are behind this act...they have every right...but at the same time the. Will lose it...cause off kanak stupidity...by going back...she has weakened their position...by not trusting her family...


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