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I think Dadaji is by far the most misunderstood character in the Ganghawal household. (Yes, even more than Ramesh)

So I've decided to share what I think could be his reasons for acting the way he does. Will keep updating what I think is his POV.

I'm going to start with Ramesh.

Dadaji mentioned how Ramesh was his ray of hope when Dadaji was at the lowest point in his career. So Ramesh had a very special place in his heart.

Now, Ramesh, his younger most and probably most pampered son developed an interest in music. Fair enough. But Dadaji could probably see that Ramesh was very average at it.

(Even I like to sing, I even like performing, but I have a deal with my parents that I will first graduate in a 'safe' field then I can do whatever the hell I want)

He saw that Ramesh was taking a huge risk by getting unnecessarily serious about music. Also, let's face it, music is, in general, a very risky career option. He did NOT support Ramesh in a venture that he thought could ruin his life.

Then Ramesh ran away. Dadaji was probably very hurt. His most favourite son, his hope in life, had taken such a huge step. Still, I think, he would have accepted it if Ramesh proved himself. (Dadaji himself had rebelled against his father and proved his father wrong)

Ramesh could have proved himself, learnt enough in those 6 months and proved Dadaji wrong. What did he do? Run back home when his funds ran out. Also, he took to drinking. (Which would be a major reason for the insufficient funds) I feel Ramesh was a protected child, so when he stepped out he was excessively prone to influences.

When he returned, Dadaji saw his worst fears realized. Ramesh was in ruins. This is why he didn't want Ramesh to choose such a risky career option. He felt ,perhaps, he'd been too lenient with Ramesh. He tried to tighten the reins, hoping to shake Ramesh out of the madness. Ramesh didn't budge. He had become a hopeless alcoholic. This hardened Dadaji further.

Luckily, Ramesh had picked up the right girl. Dadaji hoped Lakshmi could change him.

That too didn't happen too soon.

As far as the financial status is concerned, Dadaji didn't originally plan to insult Ramesh publicly. Remember, they had to give a combined gift during Dolly's wedding so that the economic disparity didn't show. (there, Roopan played villain).

The fact that Ramesh refused to quit drinking despite the suffering his wife and kids had further lowered Ramesh's image.

In such a situation, why should Dadaji think that Ramesh is responsible? Why shouldn't he feel that Ramesh is gullible? He doesn't doubt Ramesh's character, just his intellect.

I think Ramesh started out as Dadaji's dearest child... So his misdeeds hurt Dadaji the most.

What say?

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Posted: 10 years ago
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I would agree to a few points, but disagree to many..😆 Hope you don't mind.
Few facts...We don't know how good Ramesh was in singing, so we can't say he was average. Did he get the training required? We don't know. And just because someone is average, doesn't mean they have to be suppressed right? Why not encourage them to go forward? So if Nisha is average in shooting, she should never try to be a shooter?

Ramesh had to run away from home, because he Dadaji never supported him. From one scene, we got to know that, within 6 months Dadaji got him back home before he could prove anything. Can someone be successful in a career without support? If Dadaji had been supportive, could that have changed Ramesh's life?

Yes. Ramesh failed, but why does Dadaji keep talking about that failure? Anyone can fail. Everyone's luck won't be the same. Should Dadaji keep telling that it was because of him Ramesh is having a life now?

Yes. He got into drinking which I agree is bad and Dadaji has all right to get angry on that part. But why did he get into drinking? When? Before or after failure? We don't know the facts yet.

How can he tell his own son that he is just a guest in the house in front of an outsider? Is that the respect he is giving his son in the house? If Ramesh was on the wrong side, I am sure Dadi wouldn't be so supportive of him. From Dadi's words, it is clear that Ramesh wanted to follow his dream, which was against Dadaji's wishes. He rebelled and that's where the problem started.

Ramesh's image later has been based on his past. His brothers have taken full advantage of him. There is still a mysterious ring incident because of which Ramesh has been labelled irresponsible.

On the whole, Dadaji, I feel doesn't look beyond the past when it comes to Ramesh. He feels defeated because his son has failed. But he could have changed Ramesh if he had been more supportive.

I think since we don't know the past well, assumptions can differ.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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yes . i absolutely agree to your views. it had also opened up a whole new sphere in all the povs ie dadaji's pov. he always thinks the best for his children ..
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Completely agree with what you said.this also shows that this is the reason why he wants to be strict with his grandchildren especially Nisha, but his love towards her is why he shows "partiality" (as put by Rupan) towards Nisha. Although we know he loves her more but is equal strict with her too.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shwets1502

I would agree to a few points, but disagree to many..😆 Hope you don't mind.

Not at all!
Few facts...We don't know how good Ramesh was in singing, so we can't say he was average.
We've heard him sing. He's definitely not singer material.
Did he get the training required? We don't know. And just because someone is average, doesn't mean they have to be suppressed right? Why not encourage them to go forward? So if Nisha is average in shooting, she should never try to be a shooter?
Nisha's case is different. If Pandit Bhimsen Joshi heard Ramesh and said that Ramesh has potential then Dadaji could have thought about it. Also, like I said, music is a very unsafe option. For a person with a humble background, it is difficult to take a risk that huge.

Ramesh had to run away from home, because he Dadaji never supported him. From one scene, we got to know that, within 6 months Dadaji got him back home before he could prove anything. Can someone be successful in a career without support? If Dadaji had been supportive, could that have changed Ramesh's life?

Yes. Ramesh failed, but why does Dadaji keep talking about that failure? Anyone can fail. Everyone's luck won't be the same. Should Dadaji keep telling that it was because of him Ramesh is having a life now?
Ramesh does have a life because of Dadaji. It's not just that rebellion. Ramesh didn't redeem himself later.

Yes. He got into drinking which I agree is bad and Dadaji has all right to get angry on that part. But why did he get into drinking? When? Before or after failure? We don't know the facts yet.

How can he tell his own son that he is just a guest in the house in front of an outsider?
At that point Ramesh was living like a guest. He wasn't working. He wasn't fulfilling any duties. Why should he get rights?
Is that the respect he is giving his son in the house? If Ramesh was on the wrong side, I am sure Dadi wouldn't be so supportive of him. From Dadi's words, it is clear that Ramesh wanted to follow his dream, which was against Dadaji's wishes. He rebelled and that's where the problem started.

Ramesh's image later has been based on his past. His brothers have taken full advantage of him. There is still a mysterious ring incident because of which Ramesh has been labelled irresponsible.

On the whole, Dadaji, I feel doesn't look beyond the past when it comes to Ramesh. He feels defeated because his son has failed. But he could have changed Ramesh if he had been more supportive.

I think since we don't know the past well, assumptions can differ.

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Why not find a pandit bhimsen joshi and get Ramesh trained then ( the actor isn't a singer which has to be considered too lol). Its just not singing...Dadaji is against acting...cooking...everything...lol
Dadaji has definitely helped him by giving shelter...but has he done an ehsaan? Its his duty right to support his son...and he mentioned Ramesh as guest in front or Ritiesh or sometime back. Dadaji himself said Ramesh is doing fine in the job and Ramesh himself has said loads of times that he has accepted the decision Dadaji took for him...but a little more moral support to get over his failure could probably have saved him from drinking problem. Dadaji is still not ready to forget that Ramesh rebelled and failed which I feel is wrong.

Yes...probably Ramesh was wrong and he has realized that. He has realized he isn't singer material. But thats not a sin right? To dream of becoming something? Girke hi seekenge na...Dadaji was never there to support morally when Ramesh fell is what I feel. He supported him financially but never did anything to ease the pain.

Do you think Ramesh has redeemed himself now?
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Yes, I do think Ramesh has redeemed himself now. He's working, supporting the family, quit drinking. I believe that after a certain age a person shouldn't depend on his parents at least financially.
As far as being against those professions is concerned... It's just middle class mentality. Just like my house. There is a very high probability of failure in these fields. You need to have very strong backup for taking a risk that could affect your career.

As an example, I tried getting into a medical college this year. I did get a college, but not one of my choice. My parents allowed me a year drop. But I also have an ultimatum that I will have to go this year. Wherever I get in. Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with that. You can't sit waiting for a dream to come true. You have to accept things.
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I understand and believe that one cannot wait for ever for achieving his/her dream. You were given the support and time to prove yourself. But Ramesh didn't get the support or the time to prove himself. 6 months in Mumbai is too short to do anything. I don't see Ramesh as a person who would have been arrogant. If Dadaji had sat with him and had an open talk like Ramesh has with his kids...instead of directly judging his ability and future...things could have been better...
Even after redeeming himself...Ramesh is still rehnde Ramesh..why? He hasn't quit drinking...but i don't think he creates problems by drinking...why does Dadaji still think Ramesh is worthless... Because of that one incident?

I remember Dadi's telling Dadaji that according to him...if Ramesh does somethjng good its kismat...and if he does somethjng wrong its his aadat...
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Well, in the beginning of the show, Ramesh was a complete alcoholic... He seems to have quit. I'm not sure...
I think Dadaji behaves better with him too now. Especially after they found out about Nisha...

Edit: Anyway, I'm not saying that all of Dadaji's decisions have been perfect. Its just that I see where they come from.
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Originally posted by: aneri.fan

Well, in the beginning of the show, Ramesh was a complete alcoholic... He seems to have quit. I'm not sure...

I think Dadaji behaves better with him too now. Especially after they found out about Nisha...


I think CVs forgot Ramesh is alcoholic... Yes after Nisha's past got revealed...there hasn't been much problems between Dadaji and Ramesh but I don't think Dadaji has forgotten it or would never bring it back. Who knows Aman-Umesh track will bring back the problem...lol I like their equation...they are there for each other when needed now...even today Mohan left after hearing Dollys problem...it was Ramesh who stayed back to talk...

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