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Posted: 10 years ago
#11
PS Dadaji is one of my favorite characters after RL and Dadi...my point is...he could have been right with Ramesh's decision before...but after that his behavior with Ramesh is quite unacceptable.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Yes, I like their present space too. Anyway, I should go study now... Otherwise I will also become 'rehne de Shivi' :P
Good night!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Haha...All the best Shivi...had a good time discussing with you...😊 Now go and study...😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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^^ I read both ur view points & I have to admit I am leaning more towards Shwets' side!


Let's all be clear, in our Indian households we ALL will find a Daadji in our grandpas, chachas, or papas! They say they want the best for us.. They say they will support us.. BUT in the end, somewhere they ask us to give up that 'independence' while selecting our careers! I am a medical major but I can't even start with the details on how my own 'family' tried to push me into a non-Med field after 10th grade. 😆 BUT, I was rebellious (can u tell?) and I stood my ground & defied everything they told me to do-- Result?? I did my 11th grade with Maths & 12th board (CBSE) with Biology. Almost failed in Maths (intentionally) & topped Biology in my entire school 😉..
They said I had disrespected them- but frankly I didn't care! 😛My life, my rules! Ramesh did the same.. He wasn't wrong! Now Dadaji wanted him to sit at the shop instead- excuse me but will the shop close down if Ramesh wasn't part of it?? Did Dadaji give that "choice" to him- Beta, what do u want to be?
When there are no choices given- I am REALLY sorry- it becomes a dictatorship & ain't no one going to be happy in that Hitler-raj! Dadaji should have invested in Ramesh's dream- he had the money right?!! Get him trained with the best music teachers.. Send him to singing contests locally.. Encourage him & support him.. And THEN, if Ramesh was tired & sick of losing, offer him work at his shop. Beta, u are always welcome to work at our jewelry shop- but continue training for music, part time!! That's ideal parenting IMO.. Parents can get their kids to do whatever they want- but there's a 'way' to do it!! 😉

He's doing the same with Nisha! DISCOURAGING her from day 1.. "It's a game of the rich & spoilt"... Are u kidding me Dadaji? 😲 I am into shooting as well, but I ain't playing in gold! 😆.. Viraj doesn't consider himself 'rich' either! Look at his financial statements.😆 Bullets cost a few extra bucks- but Kirti's designer wear is way more expensive than THAT! Ussko toh Dadaji nai rokte??

Why is Dadaji HIDING behind his fake excuses? He just doesn't want Nisha to be surrounded with or mingling with outsiders!! Aisaa bolo naa seedha seedha.. Yes, he's scared some man would hurt her! Well then make sure she remains SAFE when she's practicing!! Viraj can give that in writing- on a stamp paper! Or Dadaji can hire a security guard for Nisha- if he is THAT concerned about his grand daughter's safety. And don't even look at me jaise I have proposed something illogical- if Dadaji can appoint a security guard in front of his jewelry shop, toh he can't get a guard for his living, breathing, laadli grand daughter??

But the thing is guys- they will ALWAYS take the easy way out when it comes to their kids' future!! It's more convenient to just make her sit at home rather than ensuring she's safe outside!
Edited by JAHHNAVI - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: JAHHNAVI

^^ I read both ur view points & I have to admit I am leaning more towards Shwets' side!


Let's all be clear, in our Indian households we ALL will find a Daadji in our grandpas, chachas, or papas! They say they want the best for us.. They say they will support us.. BUT in the end, somewhere they ask us to give up that 'independence' while selecting our careers! I am a medical major but I can't even start with the details on how my own 'family' tried to push me into a non-Med field after 10th grade. 😆 BUT, I was rebellious (can u tell?) and I stood my ground & defied everything they told me to do-- Result?? I did my 11th grade with Maths & 12th board (CBSE) with Biology. Almost failed in Maths (intentionally) & topped Biology in my entire school 😉..
They said I had disrespected them- but frankly I didn't care! 😛My life, my rules! Ramesh did the same.. No,he didn't. He didn't stand his ground and prove himself like you did. He didn't have the guts! He wasn't wrong! Now Dadaji wanted him to sit at the shop instead- excuse me but will the shop close down if Ramesh wasn't part of it?? Did Dadaji give that "choice" to him- Beta, what do u want to be?
When there are no choices given- I am REALLY sorry- it becomes a dictatorship & ain't no one going to be happy in that Hitler-raj! Dadaji should have invested in Ramesh's dream- he had the money right?!! You want him to invest where he sees absolutely no returns. If a parent is investing its natural for them to choose a field where safety is kind of guaranteed.

Get him trained with the best music teachers..the best music teachers are picky. Send him to singing contests locally.. Encourage him & support him.. And THEN, if Ramesh was tired & sick of losing, offer him work at his shop. Beta, u are always welcome to work at our jewelry shop- but continue training for music, part time!! That's ideal parenting IMO.. Parents can get their kids to do whatever they want- but there's a 'way' to do it!! 😉
Agree.

He's doing the same with Nisha! DISCOURAGING her from day 1.. "It's a game of the rich & spoilt"... Are u kidding me Dadaji? 😲 I am into shooting as well, but I ain't playing in gold! 😆.. Viraj doesn't consider himself 'rich' either! Look at his financial statements.😆 Bullets cost a few extra bucks- but Kirti's designer wear is way more expensive than THAT! Ussko toh Dadaji nai rokte??
Viru is rich. Look at his pent house, his attire. Kirti flea market se laati hogi. 😛


Why is Dadaji HIDING behind his fake excuses? He just doesn't want Nisha to be surrounded with or mingling with outsiders!! Aisaa bolo naa seedha seedha.. Yes, he's scared some man would hurt her! Well then make sure she remains SAFE when she's practicing!! Viraj can give that in writing- on a stamp paper! Or Dadaji can hire a security guard for Nisha- if he is THAT concerned about his grand daughter's safety. And don't even look at me jaise I have proposed something illogical- if Dadaji can appoint a security guard in front of his jewelry shop, toh he can't get a guard for his living, breathing, laadli grand daughter??
Actually, I've never seen a guard outside his shop.😛 And yes, it IS illogical. If he does that Roopan will shoot Nisha in her sleep. Point blank. She gets to shoot and has a bodyguard.

But the thing is guys- they will ALWAYS take the easy way out when it comes to their kids' future!! It's more convenient to just make her sit at home rather than ensuring she's safe outside!


I think we have very different ideologies. I strongly believe that a parent should have the final say in deciding your career as long as you're dependent. If you're driven enough to get something then by all means rebel! Stand your ground. Find a way to get what you want. When you're independent, you've already proved that you can sustain yourself if required. Then nobody can stop you. You can't expect to be mollycoddled all the time.😛

P.s. you're a med major? Aashirvaad please!
P.p.s.- I went through your profile, what does RN stand for?
Edited by aneri.fan - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Shivi...sorry to come in again...😆
But I would definitely not agree that Ramesh didn't have guts. He did and that's why he ran away from home chasing his dreams. Dadaji forcefully brought him back home after 6 months. Not everyone can reach dreams immediately and certain achievements take time and lot of persistence is needed. Ramesh failed because he was too emotional. He couldn't go against his father more.

Ramesh has the flair for singing and has potential which could have been developed by Dadaji. Is Nisha a good shooter now? She is going to undergo training right? Who knows what training could have done to Ramesh?

Again...just keep the past aside...what is Dadaji doing with Ramesh now? From what we saw in the episodes earlier...is taunting about ones past failures good? Insulting in front of his own children and others good? That's where I feel Dadaji was the one who was wrong in the past because people who make mistakes rarely admit.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I completely agree that parents should have the last say but they should think about the child's happiness and not about family reputation. Dadaji cares for family name and reputation more.
There are lot of unconventional professions and kids can have interest in that. Parents have to support them and see how best they can come up. Being successful in a career where they have no interest in will never give them happiness.

Sports is also a profession where there is high risk...which Nisha is going to take.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shwets1502

Shivi...sorry to come in again...😆 Arre! Good morning!

But I would definitely not agree that Ramesh didn't have guts. He did and that's why he ran away from home chasing his dreams. Dadaji forcefully brought him back home after 6 months. Not everyone can reach dreams immediately and certain achievements take time and lot of persistence is needed. Ramesh failed because he was too emotional. He couldn't go against his father more.
He couldn't sustain. You said it yourself. Persistence is needed. You can't blame your parents if YOU didn't persist. It's not like Dadaji bribed people to reject Ramesh. He just didn't believe in the idea. If Ramesh has rights... Dadaji does too.

Ramesh has the flair for singing and has potential which could have been developed by Dadaji. Is Nisha a good shooter now? She is going to undergo training right? Who knows what training could have done to Ramesh?
Nisha is undergoing training because a very accomplished shooter saw a spark in her. Well, yes, she is decent. Ramesh could have sought training in those six months. Applied for scholarship. Proved himself.

Again...just keep the past aside...what is Dadaji doing with Ramesh now? From what we saw in the episodes earlier...is taunting about ones past failures good? Insulting in front of his own children and others good? That's where I feel Dadaji was the one who was wrong in the past because people who make mistakes rarely admit.

I think Dadaji does so because he's frustrated too, this guy wasn't working regularly. He hadn't become independent. I think Dadaji is coming around though.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: aneri.fan

I think Dadaji does so because he's frustrated too, this guy wasn't working regularly. He hadn't become independent. I think Dadaji is coming around though.


Good Morning!!😊

I agree. Ramesh didn't persist. But why? He never had the family support. His father never supported him. If Dadaji had happily given him 6 months time to prove himself and made a deal that he has to sit in the shop after that, Ramesh would have accepted too. But Dadaji seemed to have never permitted Ramesh to follow his dreams at all, forcing him to run away. As I said, he is too emotional to persist leaving his family behind. And remember what Dadaji said, he brought Ramesh back because he wouldn't let his son get defeated. Meaning, he never let Ramesh struggle at all, he brought him back before that. How will he get training. I don't think he would have had the financials to take training. (We still don't know the time frame)

Will Nisha be able to perform, if she doesn't have her parents' support. Why do we want her to fight for Dadaji's permission? Nisha is lucky to have RL and cousins to talk to Dadaji. Did Ramesh's brothers had a talk with Dadaji to give him a chance?

Ramesh has accepted his mistake. He considers himself a failure. Shouldn't Dadaji have done anything to make him feel better all these years?

Sukku wants to become an actor. Should he be given a chance to prove himself or not?

PS: The bliss of laptop...was struggling yesterday night to type from phone..😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I don't know Shwets, I still think that a person should be strong enough to stick to his decisions if he wants to get somewhere in life. With or without family support.
Yes, Dadaji should have tried to make him feel better. Can't argue on that.

I think Nisha is way smarter than she's given credit for. She started out with a humble job...developed contacts. I think it was a great idea. Very practical.

If Sukku manages to chart out a plan... Then yes. In the present scenario, no. If he works locally in Jaipur (part time, at least) and demonstrates talent... Or answers the entrance to get into NSD or any acting school... Or works behind the scenes and gets noticed by Piyush Mishra(like Taher)... He's too impulsive right now. If he can find a 'safe' way of going about it...
P.S.-I always type from my phone. Mercy!
Edited by aneri.fan - 10 years ago

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