y was karan so blinded by frndshp - Page 3

Originally posted by: devashree_h

Exactly! I cant understand why people are saying Pandavas did not follow Dharma. Yudi is called DharmaRaj for a reason. He did not leave his Dharma even when he was cheated and punished to an exile. He followed the punishment he was given despite his brother and wife repeatedly telling him to atatck the Kauravas and seek revenge. Despite all of it, he saved Dury and company from Gandharvas by ordering his brothers to save them. When did he follow Adharma?

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

I consider this last act of his adharm. He didn't act to save his wife, but he acted to save his enemies, who had disgraced his wife.

As for adharm, the Pandavas insulting Karna unprovoked previously - when he had done nothing to earn their enmity - certainly qualified them as adharm. Granted, Yudisthir didn't do it, but Bhima & Arjun very much did. While the Pandavas were civil towards everyone else, they were particularly obnoxious towards Karna, and this was way b4 the game of dice.

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

I consider this last act of his adharm. He didn't act to save his wife, but he acted to save his enemies, who had disgraced his wife.

As for adharm, the Pandavas insulting Karna unprovoked previously - when he had done nothing to earn their enmity - certainly qualified them as adharm. Granted, Yudisthir didn't do it, but Bhima & Arjun very much did. While the Pandavas were civil towards everyone else, they were particularly obnoxious towards Karna, and this was way b4 the game of dice.

Originally posted by: bunnylovessunny

Arjuna respected Karna, Yes he was his arch enemy but the former never hurled unnecessary insults at the later. If you are going by what they have shown in the show, then they've shown a bunch of twisted things. Arjuna took an oath to kill Karna for what he in the sabha. And again. Yudhishtir would have been labelled an adharmi if he would have ordered Arjun or Bheem to raise their weapons against the Kauravas and Karna during the vastraharan, because he was a slave and a slave's dharm was to listen to his master's words. Dharma is a complicated thing, it need not always be pleasant and merry. It can also make you do things you DON'T want to do. Label Yudhishtir as an irritatingly tolerant man I'll agree with you. But call him adharmi I'll have to downright disagree.

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

For bold - citation needed!!! Arjun was nothing short of the very image of rudeness when it came to Karna. And he had taken an oath to kill Karna @ the rangbhoomi itself, when all Karna did was gatecrash what was a family event and replicate every feat of his. In the Sabha, it was Bhima who announced that he himself will kill the Dhritarashtras, Arjun would kill Karna & Sahadev Shakuni.

I labelled Yudisthir an adharmi for defending those who insulted his wife, not for not defending his wife. He was a slave, fine. But when they were in exile, they were exiles, so they had zero responsibility to liberate Duryodhan or the Kauravas - even their womenfolk - from Chitrasena.

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

I consider this last act of his adharm. He didn't act to save his wife, but he acted to save his enemies, who had disgraced his wife.

As for adharm, the Pandavas insulting Karna unprovoked previously - when he had done nothing to earn their enmity - certainly qualified them as adharm. Granted, Yudisthir didn't do it, but Bhima & Arjun very much did. While the Pandavas were civil towards everyone else, they were particularly obnoxious towards Karna, and this was way b4 the game of dice.

Originally posted by: bunnylovessunny

Again, what they showed in the show is NOT entirely true. They never was a contest to begin with!! And Yudhishtir did not defend those who insulted his wife in THAT instance. If he did, he would have asked Arjun and Bheem to spare Karna and Duryodhan. But he didn't and that proves that he never forgave Duryodhan and his pals for what they did.

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Bunny, I'm going by the texts, not the show. Yeah, there was a tournament where Arjun displayed his archery skills, and Drona proclaimed him as the supreme warrior. On this part, the show was actually accurate - Karna challenged this b'cos Arjun had been declared universally supreme, not the supreme amongst the Kurus. Had Drona declared Arjun as the supreme Kuru warrior, he'd have been correct. Even Drona's statement was wrong - even w/o counting Arjun, Krishna was far superior to Arjun, so that wasn't accurate either.

Anyway, my main beef w/ Yudisthir was asking Bhima & Arjun to get the Kauravas released by Chitrasena, and I haven't seen you or anybody give a good reason on why that was dharam.