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bunnylovessunny

@bunnylovessunny

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Posted: 11 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: fatssrilanka

Agree with anu.Being loyal to your friend doesn't mean that you support even when he's following a wrong path and committing sin after sin without even feeling ashamed.A true friend will somehow or the other show his friend to follow the correct path. If Karan was a true friend he would have tried ways and means of guiding Duryodhan through the correct path,the path of dharma.But,unfortunately he too started supporting him even to the extent of disrobing his Brother's wife just to take revenge and thus indirectly committing adharm.

WARNING: Kindly do not misinterpret the meaning of my explanation. But if you really have a problem with the below content, please ask the DT to take it down. My intention is not to hurt anybody or anything.

The meaning to Loyalty is to stand by the side of the person you're being loyal to irrespective of whatever be the situation. Pardon me for the sorry excuse of an example I'm going to support my explanation with.

Take a Dog, dogs are supposed to be the most lovable and loyal creatures in the world. So if tomorrow I own a dog, I tame it, pet it, give it a happy life, it shall be my guard through the night and protect me from burglars. But, if tomorrow I was the burglar and if I wanted to steal from someone I can use the same dog to help me and it will help me if I ask it to. Because it's loyalty lies with me.

I know the example sucks and you probably must be thinking I'm comparing Karna to a dog, but I'm not. I'm just explaining the purpose of Karna's loyalty towards Duryodhan. You may also say a dog is but a creature who understands no human morals and values, but the dog still has the heart to love its master and stick to him through thick and thin because the master is practically its parent, its nurturer, its life giver.

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gil-99

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Posted: 11 years ago

#12

which is dharma? and really pandavas followed dharam? and now saying about karn was blinded...excellent...what pandavas did in their sabha and they got back in hastinapur...here no way there is emotional conduct...both dury and karan both are good peopl acc to the literature..in this serial they manipulate everything...by see ing this dont jude anything

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sailuja

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Posted: 11 years ago

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which is dharma? and really pandavas followed dharam? and now saying about karn was blinded...excellent...what pandavas did in their sabha and they got back in hastinapur...here no way there is emotional conduct...both dury and karan both are good peopl acc to the literature..in this serial they manipulate everything...by see ing this dont jude anything[/QUOTE

ya @ eacatly but i couldn't think pandav doing dharm way.. but onething i can say both side didn't follow dharma ?😉

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Anuja

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Posted: 11 years ago

#14

Dear If u give example of dog and his master just to prove ur point abt loyalty then this example will not be valid for friendship as in friendship no one is master...

This example can be valid for King and his senapati who is bound to follow his master/king inspite of knowing that his king is doing adharm

But tell me one thing If at all Karna sister/wife would have been in Draupadi's place still his attitude would have been the same? Then too would he have kept silent in name of friendship?😕

Take a example like Ur best friend wants revenge from a girl and her hubby for some old insult then he decides to strip her infront of his friends to humiliate her and her hubby also u r one of his friend and present there so would you let ur friend do that just for revenge??

Wont u try ur best to save her modesty? Or Will u say that he's my Best Buddy so I can't stop him from doing so ?

What would u do tell me?

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bunnylovessunny

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Posted: 11 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: anu93
Dear If u give example of dog and his master just to prove ur point abt loyalty then this example will not be valid for friendship as in friendship no one is master...
This example can be valid for King and his senapati who is bound to follow his master/king inspite of knowing that his king is doing adharm

But tell me one thing If at all Karna sister/wife would have been in Draupadi's place still his attitude would have been the same? Then too would he have kept silent in name of friendship?😕

Take a example like Ur best friend wants revenge from a girl and her hubby for some old insult then he decides to strip her infront of his friends to humiliate her and her hubby also u r one of his friend and present there so would you let ur friend do that just for revenge??
Wont u try ur best to save her modesty? Or Will u say that he's my Best Buddy so I can't stop him from doing so ?
What would u do tell me?

Again, Karna's life as a king was given to him by Duryodhan. Yes, they were friends but he was always indebted to the later for giving his life a royal course. And besides you are stating that Karna was wrong by not stopping his friend from stripping his enemy's wife in-front of a whole bunch of men. That was NOT the case. Karna was the one who actually provoked Duryodhan to strip Draupadi naked. He tells him that a woman who lives with five men can't possibly be disgraced even if she comes naked to the court because she's not a wife but a wh**e! So there arises no question that Karna was blinded by friendship or anything, it shows that he was so much more bitter than Duryodhan. So your argument shouldn't hold against his friendship to Duryodhan, but against Karna's perverted mind instead!

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Devashree

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Posted: 11 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: gil-99
which is dharma? and really pandavas followed dharam? and now saying about karn was blinded...excellent...what pandavas did in their sabha and they got back in hastinapur...here no way there is emotional conduct...both dury and karan both are good peopl acc to the literature..in this serial they manipulate everything...by see ing this dont jude anything

What Adharma did Pandavas do in the Sabha that amounted to them loosing everything and which amounted to Draupadi being molested in an open court? I would really like to know this.

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bunnylovessunny

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Posted: 11 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: sailuja

Not true. The Pandavas followed the path of righteousness all their lives. Every path they took was always in favour of dharma. Yudhishtir was incapable of being Adharm. It was against his nature and his birth. One thing we must all understand is that every single thing, every single instance that happened in Mahabharat was designed and articulated by Krishna himself. God always follows Dharma and the reason he supported the Pandavas was because they were the followers of dharma. There was absolutely no need for Bheem or Arjun to shut their mouths and tolerate all the horrible things Duryodhan and his brothers put them through. But they were bound by their brother's word. I strongly believe that God can NEVER be wrong. He will never manipulate or lie and he will NEVER let evil prevail. Thus Kurukshetra happened.

Yudhishtir's intense practice of righteousness was irritating and we do feel like shouting and slapping some sense into him. But his deeds were what kept the Pandavas and expecially Arjuna glow in the eyes of Krishna.

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Devashree

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Posted: 11 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: bunnylovessunny

Not true. The Pandavas followed the path of righteousness all their lives. Every path they took was always in favour of dharma. Yudhishtir was incapable of being Adharm. It was against his nature and his birth. One thing we must all understand is that every single thing, every single instance that happened in Mahabharat was designed and articulated by Krishna himself. God always follows Dharma and the reason he supported the Pandavas was because they were the followers of dharma. There was absolutely no need for Bheem or Arjun to shut their mouths and tolerate all the horrible things Duryodhan and his brothers put them through. But they were bound by their brother's word. I strongly believe that God can NEVER be wrong. He will never manipulate or lie and he will NEVER let evil prevail. Thus Kurukshetra happened.

Yudhishtir's intense practice of righteousness was irritating and we do feel like shouting and slapping some sense into him. But his deeds were what kept the Pandavas and expecially Arjuna glow in the eyes of Krishna.

Exactly! I cant understand why people are saying Pandavas did not follow Dharma. Yudi is called DharmaRaj for a reason. He did not leave his Dharma even when he was cheated and punished to an exile. He followed the punishment he was given despite his brother and wife repeatedly telling him to atatck the Kauravas and seek revenge. Despite all of it, he saved Dury and company from Gandharvas by ordering his brothers to save them. When did he follow Adharma?

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bunnylovessunny

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Posted: 11 years ago

#19

Originally posted by: devashree_h

Exactly! I cant understand why people are saying Pandavas did not follow Dharma. Yudi is called DharmaRaj for a reason. He did not leave his Dharma even when he was cheated and punished to an exile. He followed the punishment he was given despite his brother and wife repeatedly telling him to atatck the Kauravas and seek revenge. Despite all of it, he saved Dury and company from Gandharvas by ordering his brothers to save them. When did he follow Adharma?

There is a flowing confusion between tolerence and righteousness. I understand that not saving your wife's grace when she's on the verge of being molested by keeping mum is in a way unacceptable and intolerable. But Yudhishtir had lost everything, he was Duryodhan's slave and thus it was his dharma to follow his master's orders. And what followed was he was forced to stake Draupadi and she was made a slave herself and then later almost stripped off her clothes just because Karna thought it didn't matter and Duryodhan was an idiot!

Now here the Pandavas were not Adharmis by being helpless but HAD to be quite and tolerant. They were not given a choice. If they were to raise their weapons they would have been sentenced to death because they had become slaves. But they DID bring justice to their wife. They did take oaths once they were freed and they DID kill all those who witnessed and were responsible for the incident. Better late than never!

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bunnylovessunny

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Posted: 11 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: gil-99
which is dharma? and really pandavas followed dharam? and now saying about karn was blinded...excellent...what pandavas did in their sabha and they got back in hastinapur...here no way there is emotional conduct...both dury and karan both are good peopl acc to the literature..in this serial they manipulate everything...by see ing this dont jude anything

What did the Pandavas do in their sabha that they 'got it back' from Hastinapur? I'm curious. Duryodhan had such a huge ego that he let jealousy and inferiority get the best of him!

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