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J tiger Barbie

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Yes only dosmetic is counted ( in india) whatever it akes in india thats verdict it gets!! Plus, to me it makes sense, yes at times its nice to have the overseas collections added but being part the verdict would seem complex!!

Plus to me these tags, and now crore clubs are annoying, because even movie say scores 200 but budget say 180 movie got to make 300 to earn BB or ATBB tag!!

Lesser budget movies with lesser known names and are good movie can get that tag with only 70-80 crore..but now people care more on the crore club then on whether movie recovered costs etc...

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blue-ice.

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Posted: 12 years ago

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I agree that the status tags are supremely stupid and overrated...How can a movie that had made 60 cr and another that makes 200 cr...get the same status...shouldn't how many people watched the movie be the deciding factor and not the budget...anyways for me a movie is either a HIT or a FLOP...that's it...

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AllBlacks1

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Number of overseas audience>number of Indian audience...

what? clearify that. R u saying number of overseas ppl who watches BW movies in theatres r more than that in India? 😲 Thats false.

To answer the topic question.. overseas BO numbers r illusive. Coz how much of that money actually reach India is unclear. Its much less than that of Indian collections.

In India producer/distributor share is @ 40-60% for BO collections. Its all abt how much distributors get that decides a hit or flop. If producers sell the movie at fixed prize then its a gamble for distributors.. whatever profit or loss occurs on BO.. is their own. Jai ho was sold at 120 Crs to distributors and it only collected 100 plus crs so technically its a flop.. but producers paid back the deficit to make it semi-hit.

In most cases producers make money coz of tv/satellite rights, music rights etc.. and if sold the movie at fixed rate its always safe for producers.. but doesnt matter how much money producers make or lose, Hit or flop is decided by how much ditributors (and so many exhibitiors) make.

The eqation is lot more complicated for overseas market.

To simplify, its @ $15 NZ here per ticket. thats 750 Rs. if 1000 ppl watch the movie in cinemas, thats 7,50,000 Rs. It looks big if 10,000 ppl watch it.. it becomes 75 lacs. For the large number of Indians/south asians in UK and US with bigger currency, the numbers can go as high as 50 Crs.

Now the question is.. how much of that money goes back to India.. producers and how much distributors overseas gets. Distributors overseas earns money in dollars and have to spend in dollars to hire a cinema hall to advertisements. Producers share is much less.. may be 10% . Thats why it can not be mixed with Indian market. A movie can be hit overseas.. meaning overseas distributors made profit. That has nothing to do with what Indian distributors make.

Thats why diff. verdicts for Indian markets and overseas. If u see a figure like overseas made 100 Crs.. mst likely only 10 crs reaches Indian producers. so u cant add that figure to Indian market and say hey 100 india+ 100 overseas= 200 Crs wow.. the movie is a blockbuster. 😆

Hope that helps.. or r u still confuzzled? 😆

Edited by AllBlacks1 - 12 years ago

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931547

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: blue-ice

The main verdict is based on the Indian audience only...and its so unfair because it u see collectively...Number of overseas audience>number of Indian audience...

And I am talking about numbers here...not quality before anyone decides to jump on me 😆

Not really!

The whole overseas market combined is about 1/3 the size of just the MUMBAI circuit and 1/2 of the DELHI-UP Circuit.

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Shaitaan Haiwan

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: AllBlacks1
Number of overseas audience>number of Indian audience...

[DIV]what? clearify that. R u saying number of overseas ppl who watches BW movies in theatres r more than that in India?😲Thats false.

How is that false, I am sure if you count all the NRI's and Bollywood watchers OUTSIDE Of India it will be more. You're forgetting that its not only Indians that watch Bollywood movies. Middle East, Dubai, Pakistan, and other South Asians decent people watch Indian movies too. And even people from Trinidad and Guyana etc.

India may have a 1.2 Billion people population, but not all of them watch movies. There are Bollywood lovers all over the world from all different ethnicities, nationalities, religions and backgrounds.

I know so many people who are not even South Asian or Middle Eastern, but still watch Bollywood movies. So that statement is not surprising to me.

I am not necessarily talking about "box office" and "numbers. But more on the basis of audience and people that watch Bollywood movies because I dont have the knowledge to comment on that.

But in terms of how many "people" watch the movies, I am sure its more.

Edited by Shaitan-Haiwan - 12 years ago

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Oye_Chup_Kar

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Shaadi Ke Side Effect is made on 50 crore budget, not 30. All the leading news sites stating it's budget as 50 crores, if the budget is 50, then SKSE is surely a flop.

Check ~ http://ibnlive.in.com/news/shaadi-ke-side-effects-fares-well-at-the-box-office-earns-rs-23-cr-in-four-days/455911-8-66.html

http://movies.ndtv.com/bollywood/shaadi-ke-side-effects-makes-rs-23-crores-in-four-days-491591

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/shaadi-ke-side-effects-box-office-collection/1/346806.html

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Shaitaan Haiwan

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: Oye_Chup_Kar
<font size="2">Shaadi Ke Side Effect is made on 50 crore budget, not 30. All the leading news sites stating it's budget as 50 crores, if the budget is 50, then SKSE is surely a flop.</font>
<font size="2">Check ~</font>http://ibnlive.in.com/news/shaadi-ke-side-effects-fares-well-at-the-box-office-earns-rs-23-cr-in-four-days/455911-8-66.html

http://movies.ndtv.com/bollywood/shaadi-ke-side-effects-makes-rs-23-crores-in-four-days-491591

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/shaadi-ke-side-effects-box-office-collection/1/346806.html

Thanks but the correction wasn't really needed 😆

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srkat

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Different sources use different ways. BOI normally just uses numbers from India, but big trade analysts like Komal Nahta and Taran Adarsh uses overseas business as well for the film's verdict.

Basically, the total cost of the film is taken (including print and advertising). From there, we have to see how much revenue has been generated, and it is done through checking theatrical business, profit through satellite rights, music rights, etc

When looking at the theatrical business, one has to see the producers/distributor's share. The producer and distributor get approximately half share each of theatrical business. For example, if a film did 100 crores business in India, then it's producer's share would probably be somewhere around the 50 crore mark (it also depends on where most of the business came from, single screen or multiplex).Similar thing applies for overseas business.

Here's an easy example to illustrate (this info was from Taran Adarsh related to ETT):

Cost of production + Print & Advertising -- 90 cr

The revenue this film has generated/will generate...
Satellite Rights -- 44 cr to 45 cr
Music Rights + Home Video + Ringtones -- 6 cr
Overseas theatrical share [expected] -- 20 cr to 25 cr
India theatrical share [expected] -- 95 cr to 100 cr
Total revenue generated -- 165 cr to 175 cr
Return on investment [after deducting the cost] -- 75 cr to 85 cr

^Now see, ETT did business of around 199 crores in India, so it's producer share was around half (95 to 100 crore). The rest of the share goes to distributors.

A film's box office performance is determined though by seeing if everyone involved has made money. In such a scenario where the producers have made strong profit, we then have to see if distributors have made money. Distributors buy a film for a certain price, and for them to recover their investment, the film has to double the business that they bought it for (half of that business will be their share and would mean a recovery).

I hope this helped 😊

Edited by srkat - 12 years ago

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blue-ice.

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: Bossman

Not really!

The whole overseas market combined is about 1/3 the size of just the MUMBAI circuit and 1/2 of the DELHI-UP Circuit.

OK...I was just taking a guess...here in USA...for one Diwali mela in Dallas...there is a turnover of more than 50000 Indians...and that is just Indians...in one city +sone neighboring areas...Imagine how many all over USA...and then u have to take into account the people from other countries like Pakistanis BDs whom we all call desi watch Indian movies...so just in USA the Desi population that watches BW movies is in millions...now consider all over the world...I am sure it is more than one third...I might be wrong but that is my guess...I still think all over the world the DESIs that watch BW movies might be more than just in India..