Stefan is still insecure? - Page 4

Originally posted by: Tani91

I dont mind you having a different opinion than mine...I say go for it😛

BUT I do think that if you're blaming Stefan then Damon deserves the blame as well. First of all it was Stefan who fell in love with Elena, it was Stefan who protected her from Damon then Katherine, then the tomb vampires,then Elijah and Klaus, and it is Stefan who Elena loves.

Stefan wasn't insecure of Damon because he was in love with Elena, he was protecting Elena from his homicidal brother who killed just about anything that walked...so I don't really see how you say that Stefan was being insecure there😕. There is a difference between protecting and being insecure

And if Stefan was really insecure he would have rattled Elena about it and wouldn't say "you're better than both of us". Stefan knows that he AND Damon are ultimately the wrong choice for Elena and if he really was insecure in love then he would have said something to Elena right then and there. Stefan knows that Elena has sort of moved on anyways and he didnt want an explanation for her, Elena was the one who brought it up and she said that she felt bad about him not knowing...and plus he apologized for the whole bridge fiasco because he KNOWS that Elena was hell scared and he knows that he jeopardized his whole relationship with her because no matter what happens, it will never be the same love Stelena shared in Seasons 1 and 2

I personally think that the punch had many layers to it...The most obvious one could be that Stefan found out about the kiss...I can bet you my right arm tat if Elena had kissed Matt or Rick or Tyler or anyone else BUT Damon, Stefan wouldnt care less...but since it's Damon, he knows that Damon is in love with Elena since the start, he knows that Damon also cares the same way as he does for Elena but because it WAS Damon he reacted that way and I dont think that's insecurity that's just a brother punching a brother for going on his girl. Technically Stelena have not broke up because no matter what they will still care for each other and love each other...like Klaus said "that kind of love never dies", so Stelena have never broken up nor ever will...and Damon KNOWS that and despite that he goes in for a kiss...that right there shows Damon's selfishness. Damon too ultimately knows that Stefan and Elena are meant to be together and no matter what, Elena will love Stefan and a part of her will belong with Stefan...and he knows that Elena has been going through a rough time with Stefan being a ripper and his humanity been taken away and yet Damon swoops in and kisses her...and I dont blame Damon there but yes he was being selfish

I personally took it as Stefan punching Damon for putting Elena's life in danger by letting Bonnie talk to her about the coffins...Stefan from the start didnt want Elena involved and now that Stefan is not involved in Elena's day to day affairs with the supernatural, its Damon's job and he technically failed at that and I took it that's why Stefan punched Damon

as for everything else Harjot explained it very well so dont want to elaborate on that and I agree with her that neither of the three are to be blamed in this at all...all three are rationalized and justified in the way they acted

Originally posted by: _Team_Damon

BUT first of all it was Stefan who stalked Elena after saving her... walked into her life. Lied to her. Hid things from. All this even before he knew Damon was around.
Told her he never loved Katherine. But still hung on to a picture of her. Hid the fact the she was identical to Katherine. Conveniently left out things relevant in the brothers' history.

And btw Stefan himself claimed that he was worse that Damon in his dark days. So think twice about Stefan's past before you point a finger at Damon. I bet you love the remorseful body reassembling thing Stefan does. Different. you think that's not homicidal and maniacal?


um did I say that Stefan was right for doing those things😕??? Damon and Stefan both are freaking vampires...NOTHING about them is right. Like I said Damon used to be a homocidal murder when he entered Mystic Falls and Stefan used to be one before he entered Mystic Falls. Plus Stefan was not only trying to protect Elena but also the rest of the town so stop saying that "Stefan was worse than Damon" and what the heck do you mean that I enjoy remorseful body reassembling????? can you please elaborate on that because I am hella confused😕

Yes there is a difference between protecting someone and being insecure. But knowing that Damon was a gold mine of true insight into Stefan's past... "protecting" her form Damon or 'the truth' was important. Clap clap.

Yeah right...so he expected Elena to run to Damon who he did not meet for 15-16 years AND also offer this "true insight" into Stefan when clearly Damon hated him for all those years for putting Katherine away...yeah that makes a whole lot of sense, let my girlfriend talk to my psycho brother who hates me to get the truth about me Clap Clap

He said "you're better than both of us" in an afterthought... The same old self righteous Stefan resurfaced for a moment... and then he realised he wasn't exactly in a good position to say that. hence "you're better than both of us"...

um ok???😕😕😕 Like Apple Blossom said that line was NOT meant as an afterthought, it was Stefan being honest with Elena because ultimately it IS true, Elena is better than the both of them

Wow... It sucks when people can't read between the lines. You're perhaps one of the first people to call Damon selfish. Especially in Elena's respect. If he was selfish trust me he would have compelled Elena into his arms a very long time ago.
But that's just Damon. He likes things to be real. He still believes Elena is Stefan's girl. Btw... he never claimed she was his. He kissed her in a moment devoid of lust... he loves her. There's only so much a man can take. A selfish man would do a lot more. But there was no pressure on Elena. It was a moment of support and affection. And before having kissed her he reminded her that Stefan is still salvageable. That right there shows Damon's selflessness. He doesn't hide his brothers good. Unlike Stefan.

He does a hundred selfless things and yet you fail to acknowledge all those. And the one time he does something for himself... that makes him selfish? I suggest you broaden your perspective.

Um first of all you need to stop being rude to me and say to me that I should broaden my perspectives🥱 I can handle all the perspectives I need, I dont need anyone's suggestion to do that, this is a show and everything in it can be interpreted as any way possible...you choose to believe that Stefan is insecure good for you...but for ME yes I do believe Damon is SELFISH with a captial S. and as for compelling Elena...first of all he LOVES Elena right...and if he truly loves her (which I do believe he does) then why the hell should he compel her? if he loves her then he should be himself and let Elena love him for him self rather than a compelled illusion he puts up. Damon loves Elena, if he compelled her then that shows he doesn't love her. Did I deny that he hasnt been selfless??? um really...I never said Damon wasnt selfless, that's one of the traits I like about Damon that he is expressive about his feelings...BUT regarding that kiss, YES in my eyes that make shim selfish...and I dont care if I'm the first person to say that because trust me I have seen people call Damon worse things than selfish🤢 because he KNEW that Elena was not in the right mind to handle a relationship milestone when she is clearly broken after Stefan leaving her

@blue- um isnt that the entire definition of selfish????😕😕😕

Okayyy... Your punch theory is hilarious. 😆 Not very observant though.
In a live twitter char two days someone asked Julie Plec

@RippahStefan:@julieplec Why did Stefan punch Damon? Was it out of hurt? or Anger? Or even jealously?
Her reply was-
@Damon_girl @RippahStefan all of the above
and then, some. I'd imagine.


um again you are being WAY too rude and insentitive, I dont care what that punch meant because my life doesnt revolve around this show, I had a theory and I put it forward...I dont care what Julie Plec says about it, like I said before the show is written in a way that its left open to interpretation so this is how I interpreted it...no need to be rude and laugh it off🥱

Anyway... Bonnie makes her own choices... Damon had nothing to do with it. And obviously Stefan went behind Elena and Bonnie. And doesn't that make him responsible for Elena's safety? I love how you guys still believe Stefan's a saint. After everything. 😆 It's a good thing. Good to defend the characters you love. 😉

and I love how despite how crazy Damon has been you guys defend him making him to be a saint😕😕, this whole Stefan did this Damon did that thing can go on all day. Again I had a theory I put it forth, if you dont like it then good for you👏. Again I agree with Apple Blossom about the whole bridge thing, Elena is way too forgiving when it comes to life and death matters🤔

Look. I'm not blaming anyone either. Stefan acted like any normal boy friend would. But I just thought he wasn't in a position to. But that's just me. By all means feel free to think whatever you want. 😛 😊 And thanks. for the good laugh. 😉

Ok whatever, glad I could make you laugh😕😆

Originally posted by: AppleBlossom

Her magical powers of insta-forgiveness have kind of been her most consistent trait, though. She wasn't angry at Damon for murdering her brother for more than one episode. Tyler tried to murder Stefan and her at the lakehouse and as soon as he apologized, she hugged him. Rebecca is a cold-blooded murderer and Elena felt sorry for her. She over-identifies with monsters.

And actually, the scene when Elena asked Damon to give her more time kind of reminded me of the S/E one. Stefan didn't apologize, so she didn't talk about forgiveness. He told her that he went too far and Elena thanked him for acknowledging that. Damon apologized, so she talked about how it would take time to forgive. Both scenes were very serene. Elena wasn't angry or accusatory. She should have been and she wasn't. It ties to her disturbing concept of forgiveness. Even when isn't ready to forgive people, she offers them grace.

And honestly, I was unhappy about the bridge drama getting resolved this quickly too. I wanted 2-3 episodes of Elena's rightful indignation and Stefan's 'dgaf' in response to it. But, conflating Elena's forgiveness for Stefan with the idea that Elena's love for Stefan weakens her is just wrong.

Originally posted by: AppleBlossom

I don't really see the point of debating with you about anything if you really think Elena was 'horrible' for manipulating Damon. Damon murdered her brother and made her watch. Damon made her go through a few seconds of absolute despair and horror. Elena held her brother's dead body in her arms and for a few seconds, she was made to feel like she lost all her family. Elena went through all of that because of one person. To even think that Elena is the horrible one for not caring about that one person's feelings is a thought process I fail to understand.

Originally posted by: AppleBlossom

PS: As for my failure to see things from Damon's perspective, I don't even understand why I need to consider it, given that we are discussing Elena's forgiving tendencies.