Stefan is still insecure? - Page 3

Originally posted by: HiphopStahKiran

Stefan was right.. he did so much for his brother, chose him over his own girlfriend and what does his brother do? he kisses his girlfriend -_-

Originally posted by: -Pooja-

It's Kiss and should be more then grateful to elena for telling him so that she did it . He also kissed Rebecca in making so he tech. can't blame her she kissed Damon as her and stefan are currently not together so no he had no right to be upset and be mad at damon and make elena feel guilty

Originally posted by: Tani91

very well put👏👏👏...isnt it funny that people forget that Damon did the exact same things to Elena in season 1 and yet people conveniently blame Stefan for the only one being insecure🥱

Originally posted by: --Anna--

Well -- Here I would contradict you -- Yes Stefan has done a lot for Damon -- but so has Damon -- Its killing Damon every second since the first episode of Season 3 that Stefan left because of him. It has -- you know it and I know it. Its what you chose to see. And that is the reason even w/o telling Elena he kept a track of Stefan -- otherwise why would he bother. So please get this straight -- Stefan did what he could to save his brother and so did Damon -- both are in equal here. And do you think if Damon was in the same situation - he wouldnt do it!? He would have done what Stefan did exactly. So comparing both of them in what they have done for each other is flawed.

As for Damon kissing Elena -- why not!? Did Elena resist!? Did Elena slap him back like she did before!? Did Elena mind it!? No -- then who is Stefan to punch Damon!? He is the one that Elena has a growing soft corner for Damon. He is the one who pushed Elena towards Damon. And just to point out -- Stefan and Elena were over -- Stefans words to Elena "U lost me when I left the city with Klaus" -- is enough to show that they are over -- as in the relationship - and I am not saying love because yes love never dies -- and the love is not over but the relationship is. So bringing in the "girl friend" tag is a bit stupid.

Moreover Elena told Stefan -- " I kissed Damon" -- She never said "Damon kissed me" -- I mean logically Elena should be the one who Stefan should question and not punch Damon.

As for Stefan having his humanity back -- Its an on and off switch -- now does he want Elena to function according to his on and off switch? He was not wrong -- but punching only Damon and not questioning Elena over it when she especially took the blame was.

Originally posted by: *Harjot*

That one streak of humanity was not shown because of the kiss. Maybe, you should rewind back a little and remember when Stefan saved Damon's life. Do you remember when Damon felt guilty because no matter what, even if Stefan no longer had his humanity, he wouldn't let Damon die? Just because for once, Stefan has shown some humanity regarding Elena instead of his brother, it's a big deal?

No, Elena does NOT owe Stefan an explanation but SHE thinks she does. Stefan didn't say a word after she told him about the kiss. He was shocked, clearly. He was able to finally realize that despite the fact that he didn't have his humanity, it didn't mean he couldn't feel. He realized Elena CAN move on and she will. Call him selfish if you want, but he really thought she'd wait and if she wouldn't, then i'll bet you anything he did not think she'd go and kiss his own BROTHER. So, if Damon's love is pure and simple, you think Stefan's is showy and ridiculous? Even after all that he went through for Elena, his love is showy and ridiculous?

Did i say Damon had to be sorry for being in love with his brother's ex-girlfriend? He was concerned, yes and he had every right to be. I'm not saying he doesn't. Oh, for crying out loud! I'm a Damon/DE fan myself but blaming Stefan like this for his reaction doesn't seem right to me. I would say Stefan maybe overreacted a little too much with the whole punching but he was shocked after hearing about the kiss. He didn't need Damon to confirm it by showing his concern so openly. What i did love though, was that Damon understood. That was absolutely sweet of Damon considering Stefan really shouldn't have punched him over Elena. So, that i guess, i have to agree with you on.

As for his humanity being his choice, do you remember when Stefan explained to Caroline about vampires and their feelings? Stefan's feelings toward Klaus have intensified and his obsession (revenge) has really taken over pretty much whole life, making Damon an exception because even now, Damon will be Stefan's first priority. Even Klaus said so.

Therefore, i still believe Stefan was right along with DE.

Originally posted by: _Team_Damon

@Tani91
Damon's always been pretty self content and secure in his spot. From the start. All the lows that he had with Elena weren't from lame insecurities...
And I just called Stefan insecure because that's how he's always been around Damon and Elena. He was always afraid of Damon becoming close with Elena even in season 1. Even after they've broken up Stefan's insecure about DAMON getting close to her. Plus I put it as a question.
All of us have our own interpretations... I shared mine. U can think differently if you want. 😛 😊

Originally posted by: _Team_Damon

Stefan--- still insecure?

Originally posted by: AppleBlossom

No. Stefan hasn't been insecure since 1X22 when he realized that no matter what Damon does, Stefan will still always save him. He encouraged Damon's love for Elena in 2X01. He made excuses for Damon after Damon murdered Jeremy. Stefan also tried to defend Damon when he forcefed Elena his blood in 2X20. In fact, Stefan was the one who told Elena about Damon's werewolf bite in 2X22 and explicitly asked her to go to Damon. Do you really think an insecure boyf would do these things?

First -- in 2X 01 -- Stefan dint "encourage" Damon's love for Elena. When Damon expressed the fact that he thought he had kissed Elena -- Stefan was angry. Next he questioned him on whether they were going to repeat the same thing that happened with Katherine. He was sarcastic about it.

Second - When Damon fed Elena his blood -- first Stefan was angry. Forgot the anger with which he came and attacked Damon!? Yes -- Damon stabbed him but Stefan did get angry on that. Maybe later he did defend. But the whole convo when Stefan and Elena were out while Damon tried to foil Klaus's plan - was if Stefan had the chance and if Elena wanted to do it -- would it have been okay. Clearly I agree with Damon -- if Stefan had the balls to do it -- he would have done it.

And to think Damon did that to save Elena -- and what Stefan did was to kill her and then save her. See the difference!?

Third one -- I do agree -- Stefan did send Elena to Damon -- so!? He had to -- by then he had realized that Elena had a soft spot and Damon loved her -- he had to tell Elena -- because if Damon had died and she dint know why and how -- then would Elena have forgiven him!? So yes he may not be insecure in this particular scene -- but bringing in a death scene here -- Are u kidding me!?

And I dont understand if Stefan is insecure now -- whats the harm? I mean Elena and Damon kissed -- he had full right to be insecure. He loves Elena and he realizes that he has been pushing Damon and Elena together -- what will this lead to -- More love in paradise!? It will lead to insecurity. So whether you agree or not -- At this very moment Stefan Salvatore is insecure.

As for Damon -- he is insecure too -- because it scares him that what would happen if Stefan comes back. He is scared of losing Elena and yes he is. But right now -- in a rather twisty way Damon has Elena to himself, if not as a lover - as a friend. So yes Stefan has more reasons to be insecure.

Stefan did no such thing. He didn't accuse Elena. He didn't question her. He didn't even acknowledge his hurt in words. Elena gave him an explanation on her own accord. And actually, it wasn't even an explanation per se. She didn't apologize. It is just the fact Stefan is still the only one Elena lets herself be honest with. She has been lying to Damon, Bonnie and herself about the kiss. But, she couldn't lie to Stefan because Stefan is still her person. That is why it was 'you can't kiss me again' with Damon, 'Damon kissed me' with Bonnie and 'I kissed Damon' with Stefan. She just can't be dishonest with Stefan. And that's what 'I didn't plan on kissing him' was about too. Stefan didn't ask for anything but Elena couldn't help but spilling out her feelings to him.

Well here I agree -- Stefan dint make Elena feel guilty -- and I dont think Elena did feel guilty herself. She just wanted Stefan to know -- and she told him. This was a confession of feelings for me -- nothing much nothing less.

This I can agree with. I don't understand how he can love his brother so much. It is almost unreal to me. I don't get Stefan's level of love. I really don't. He gave his humanity, his life, his identity to save Damon. It's just an unfathomable sacrifice for me. How can someone love that much?

Well I felt from your answer to this AS IF Stefan's love for Damon is greater than Damon's love for Stefan! So just so you know -- both brothers love each other absolutely more than they love Elena. If Damon would have been in the same situation - he would have done that too -- and I would be seriously questioning your watching of the show -- if you put one brother above other. They are brothers -- whatever happens they will give and take life for each other. If Stefan gave his humanity and his identity (though not by will but by force) -- Damon has been living a life of guilt - not just once but twice. If season 3 has been about Stefan loving Damon its also about Damon living in the guilt of putting Stefan through this. So yes -- I would rather say that both love each other -- more than they can love anyone ever.

I've already explained why I completely disagree with this statement in my first paragraph. Stefan is probably the most secure boyf in history of TV, given that he makes excuses for Damon in front of his gf. I mean, he told Elena that Damon is in love with her. That's next level security.

Disagreed -- I think both are insecure in their own ways. Just because Stefan told Elena that Damon also loves her does not not mean that he is secure. Security is when you are afraid to lose someone. Stefan clearly said he dint want to repeat what happened with Katherine once -- that shows insecurity. Damon is insecure -- because he knows that even if he does not have Elena in the end -- he does not want to lose her presence in his life. So both are insecure

No, actually. We don't know that. Tell me more.

Well -- as a stefan fan -- which ur answers clearly are -- you wont understand's Damon's love for anyone. So why bother explaining about that? Its obvious that for you Stefan is the epitome of love and for the TM -- Damon and for me too. Why create an unnecessary conflict when neither you are gonna agree nor Damon fans!?

Uhhh. Elena has always been disturbingly forgiving? It's isn't her love for Stefan that pulls her from being that woman. It is Elena herself. She forgave Damon for murdering her brother and making her watch. She forgave him for stripping her off her will and forcefeeding her. Were these disturbing acts of forgiveness also because of her love for Stefan?

She is mentally and emotionally stronger because of Stefan in the first place. Her hurt over losing Stefan was so great that it hardened her. Elena said it herself: 'You are not the only one who changed Stefan. We all had to.' Elena changed because Stefan changed. She had to. She needed to change to cope with the loss. So, using her insta-forgiveness (her most consistent trait through out the series) as a sign of regression in her character is just bizarre and I am inclined to think that you don't get Elena either.

Initially yes -- Now maybe but now moreso because she has Damon by her side to depend on. Now if she is mentally and emotionally stronger its because she is with Damon and being with him makes her awfully strong to fight Stefan and bring him back. Yes her love for Stefan is in play here -- but she also knows if one person who will be able to bring Stefan back -- will be Damon and Damon alone. Damon is trying his hard to bring Stefan back - I know it and You know it. If Klaus is one step ahead always what is Damon supposed to do of it?

Originally posted by: --Anna--

Everyone has a way of looking at a character from their own life experiences -- U may be hell bent over being Stefan not being insecure the TM is not. But that does not make TM's understanding of any character any less. Its just that you tend to see Stefan as the hero and we -- Damon. However that does not mean that we dont get Elena Damon or Stefan. We do -- from our own perspective.

And that is why my friend are there two different fan bases.

Originally posted by: AppleBlossom

Sure. But, there is a thing called 'canon'. I only said that the OP didn't understand Stefan when they went on about how Stefan took Elena's love for granted. He was pushing her away. It is a fact of the narrative.

And that is why I dint answer to that -- because I see what Stefan is doing. He is scared to accept Elena now and it shows. He is pushing her far that also shows. I do agree that he is not taking her for granted at all. That is absolutely true.

Just like it is a fact of the show's narrative that Elena forgives too quickly. Associating her insta-forgiveness tendencies with her love for Stefan, when the show's canon has proved time and again that she does that with everybody kind of implies a wrong reading of her character to me.

Well Elena is the hero here -- she is the one who actually leads everything. Stefan and Damon both have to listen to her. I dont think Elena forgives everyone easily -- but she did forgive Stefan a bit too fast. I would have expected more from what happened on the bridge.

The only thing I guess what bothered the TM was that when it comes to Damon -- she needs time and she waits for longer than ever to forgive him but when it comes to Stefan -- it was easily done. I would personally have wanted more of Stelena fighting off the whole bridge sequence properly again rather than Elena being sweet to Stefan. 😳

& OMG NO. 😆 I don't look at Stefan and Damon as heroes. They are both psychopathic murders.

😆 😆 psychopatic murders whom I am in love with madly!! 😳😉