Stefan is still insecure? - Page 2

"Yes. I acknowledge that Stefan's been doing Damon favours all along. But that was his own choice. Damon didn't ask for it. "

He is. And if I post what I think of him, well, I'll be banned. Having insecurities is one thing, but being an insecure person is another.

i am not rooting for Stefan or Damon. From a neutral view,I would say that Stefan still loves Elena. Inspite of doing all that he did,he still loves her. When he said "Notmy problem" forJeremy...he couldnt look Elena in the eye. He repeatedly asks Damon to keep Elena out of everything. The car incident,he did it to push Klaus to the edge to make him believe Stefan.

Originally posted by: msainhjaug

"Yes. I acknowledge that Stefan's been doing Damon favours all along. But that was his own choice. Damon didn't ask for it. "

Just imagine.. stefan had a choice of saving him but not at the cost of loosing elena.. and owning an explaination "Damon didnt ask me to save him." is that what u are talking about ? i m not sure we will see this kind of thing ever in TVD when it comes to Damon, Stefan & Elena.

When stefan was tortured by tomb vampires he didnt ask any help from damon. But he was still there right ? Its not always about asking. U do expect from your closed ones.

I agree what ever u said being done by damon... but that is what they share.. they are family.. no body has to tell stefan to save damon over himself... he will always do that on his own... it will always be his choice.. but he cannot stop expecting from his closed ones just because he made a choice of going far from them... as a matter of fact, no one can...

stefan dont have to tell him that i m stuck in tomb and dont u dare to try my girl friend mean while because stefan believe that damon wont do that... and damon didnt do that.. this time he did because he felt elena have feeling for him too and he almost believed that stefan is gone... he is not in elena's life anymore...

And elena tried to explain him because she is still stuck there... of course she is otherwise there is no reason why she will ask damon that he cant kiss her again... She still feel her loyality belongs to stefan...

No one is at fault. and when it comes to feelings u cannot generalize the definition of "MISTAKE"

Exactly my point... you mentioned earlier that Stefan feels betrayed by Damon... hence the frustration because he chose Damon over Elena.
Exactly... you don't ask or expect for anyone you're close to, to save you. They just do automatically... because they love you. Doesn't mean that if they do something against you (in a moment of weakness), you must feel betrayed plus it's DAMON we're talking about here.
It's still alright for him to feel upset. But to display it by saying something as lowly as "You're better than him Elena" just goes to show that the competition for Elena's affections is still on.

Anyone would try to save their loved ones. Stefan did too. The great reason he gave for it was that he was responsible for turning Damon and he'd feel guilty if Damon died like that... And NO😆 I didn't mean Stefan's excuse for not saving Damon should have been "Damon didn't ask"(that is just dumb). I meant that it doesn't make Damon forever indebted to Stefan especially after he tried so hard to save him from Klaus, bring his humanity back and reunite him with Elena!!!

Stefan can feel bad cause Damon broke the bro-code. But to act surprised that Damon is a subject of Elena's affections is silly. So what if she kissed him and doesn't feel guilty about it... Stefan broke off their so called "epic" relationship by so many things he's done this season even though she was ready to take him back almost every single time (In fact she's still holding on to him). It's natural -Damon and Elena were both hurt and needed each others support. All that culminated into sometime simple as a kiss. And not a disgusting and mushy one at that.
Doesn't she have the right to move on. It's not like that kiss lead to anything... they're still their old selves. Elena's still kinda cold to him. And Damon all snarky. No relation-shippy crap. Besides isn't it clear to all of you that Damon thinks Elena's not his to keep. Which is why he didn't retaliate after that punch.

I am disappointed with Elena because she's still trying to find the Stefan she fell in love with. I wish she would see some sense. Only a loser would still feel like she belongs with a man that almost tried to kill her in the most insensitive way possible. She asked Damon not to kiss her politely meaning it would only further conflict her emotions and push her into something she wouldn't know how to find a way out of. NOT BECAUSE SHE STILL BELONGS TO STEFAN!!!🤢
Yes. she's holding on to the old-Stefan. NO one could bare the Real one. Yes she still loves him. I'm quite positive that you're neglecting Elena's feelings for Damon. She has fallen in love with him.
She doesn't wanna acknowledge those feelings for Damon... because she knows Damon inside out. He is not like what Stefan was in the last 2 seasons... That man clearly doesn't exist any more. If Elena was still completely in love with Stefan she would push Damon away(like in 2x01) but she didn't ... She felt guilty because she's still holding on to the old Stefan. She's confused. And trying hard to fight the conflicting feelings she has for both the guys.

I'm not pointing MISTAKES... neither am I defining them on any characters' part. But I'm letting loose my point of view. Maybe it does not speak highly of Stefan... but I'm not highlighting his mistakes. Just disappointed that after all he's done for Damon.. He contradicts it all for where it matters the most. Feeding Elena opinions about Damon again ---"You're better than him"...
It just didn't go down well with me. He said "you're better than the both of us" in an afterthought.
Anyway... he has a way of tainting things... just my POV!! 😳

Originally posted by: rose82

i am not rooting for Stefan or Damon. From a neutral view,I would say that Stefan still loves Elena. Inspite of doing all that he did,he still loves her. When he said "Notmy problem" forJeremy...he couldnt look Elena in the eye. He repeatedly asks Damon to keep Elena out of everything. The car incident,he did it to push Klaus to the edge to make him believe Stefan.

Remember,when Stefan was explaining a vampire's feelings to Elena on their way up the mountain,he said "anger turns to revenge"...that's what is on his mind. Why he cant do it with Elena on his side..is beyond my comprehension.

On the other hand is Damon's selfless love..yes he loves Elena.But at times,he also told Elena that when he drags Stefan back for Elena...he wants Elena to remember all these *caring for Damon,worrying for Damon* feelings afterwards too. He yearns for some love too.Its not like he is some saint.

Hard to explain why Stefan is behaving the way he is..because we dont know his side of story yet...dont know if we will be given an explaination either.But,both the brothers love Elena...and she is lucky to find true love twice.

"When I bring my brother from the edge and deliver him back to you... I want you to remember the things you felt while he was gone"

What I absolutely love about Damon is that if he ever promotes himself in anyway... he doesn't do it by desperately bringing Stefan down. After everything he and Elena have been through together he wouldn't want her to forget their friendship. The fact that she cares or worries for him. One of the smallest things he's done for himself all season. If you remember Elena was rather cold to him when she was in a solid relationship with Stefan despite all he was doing for her. He doesn't want her to become that person again. Yes he longs for love... but he's not desperate enough to steal it.
I never said Damon was a saint. He's never pretended or even tried to be one. But just because he quoted the above lines doesn't make him the opposite of a saint. He never claimed he was one to begin with. Neither did I.

Yes it is also beyond my comprehension why Stefan couldn't feel affinity with his humane side even with Elena next to him... when he tried so hard to fight Klaus' compulsion in 3x05.
I quoted this before in case you didn't notice --- Damon realises there is collateral damage in war but he would never risk Elena's life just to win it. Not in season 1 not in 2 and definitely not in 3. Even in his dark days.
It's sad that Elena's undying love for stefan wouldn't help him over his hollow anger turned vengefulness. sad. really.

Originally posted by: _Team_Damon

To feel those emotions is one thing... yes it's naturally upsetting. But to display them in the way Stefan did?... especially when you're not in that position to take such liberties is what I have a problem with. Last week he almost killed Elena in the worst way possible... I don't things it's time to play the jealous ex boyfriend at this point.
Damon knows that there is collateral damage in war... but he would never risk Elena's life justto win it.
I know that Stefan and Elena shared a strong relationship... but lets not forget that it's officially ended. He made Elena feel guilty which is why she went after him and said that she didn't plan for it to happen.
STEFAN'S HUMANITY IS HIS CHOICE... he is not under compulsion any more. We know that he tried hard to fight the compulsion for Elena in 3x05... Don't tell me Elena still can't inspire Stefan to reach back to his humane side.
Damon can be around Elena and love her all he wants if it means he'll protect her even without getting any love or respect in return? Stefan's been away for a while and he knew well that DAMON and Elena persevered to get him back... later help him get his humanity back(3x09). Why is he surprised that she would kiss him? Why does it surprise him that those affections would come out and play one day?
I feel bad for Damon... Damon defended Stefan before Elena last week even after what he did.
That he maybe he's aiming at the greater good- getting rid of Klaus (but his means are wrong).
He reminds her time and again that Stefan is salvageable... and we all know what Stefan says in comparison regarding his brother.
Rewind back to..."I don't deserve you, but my brother does"...
And compare it with ..." you're better than him Elena... you're better than both of us"
I acknowledge Stefan sacrifices for Damon... but that doesn't make Damon indebted to Stefan. He didn't ask for it.
Yes. Stefan and Damon take the liberties to beat each other up... but this time let's think what inspired that punch----> Damon words- "... Is Elena alright" What? is he suppose to be sorry for being in love with the woman who's heart Stefan broke. One time he shows those feelings and he's made to feel guilty? what about the several other times when he's suppressed those strong feelings deep within his heart?
Stefan is acting lame here. It's true. He's wrong to make a show of his humanity is such a way. Elena's love can't bring his humanity back and the one streak of humanity it we saw was inspired buy Delena's kiss? Lamme.

I respect the fact that you're looking from a neutral perspective but from the view of a pure Damon fan... I can say I feel sorry for Damon. That Stefan wouldn't let the fact the he kissed Elena go... and after all that's happened. and that Elena feels she owes him an explanation... urg!!!
Damon is by far way better than these other characters... even with his violent and complicated life. His love is pure and simple. Not showy and ridiculous.

That one streak of humanity was not shown because of the kiss. Maybe, you should rewind back a little and remember when Stefan saved Damon's life. Do you remember when Damon felt guilty because no matter what, even if Stefan no longer had his humanity, he wouldn't let Damon die? Just because for once, Stefan has shown some humanity regarding Elena instead of his brother, it's a big deal?

No, Elena does NOT owe Stefan an explanation but SHE thinks she does. Stefan didn't say a word after she told him about the kiss. He was shocked, clearly. He was able to finally realize that despite the fact that he didn't have his humanity, it didn't mean he couldn't feel. He realized Elena CAN move on and she will. Call him selfish if you want, but he really thought she'd wait and if she wouldn't, then i'll bet you anything he did not think she'd go and kiss his own BROTHER. So, if Damon's love is pure and simple, you think Stefan's is showy and ridiculous? Even after all that he went through for Elena, his love is showy and ridiculous?

Did i say Damon had to be sorry for being in love with his brother's ex-girlfriend? He was concerned, yes and he had every right to be. I'm not saying he doesn't. Oh, for crying out loud! I'm a Damon/DE fan myself but blaming Stefan like this for his reaction doesn't seem right to me. I would say Stefan maybe overreacted a little too much with the whole punching but he was shocked after hearing about the kiss. He didn't need Damon to confirm it by showing his concern so openly. What i did love though, was that Damon understood. That was absolutely sweet of Damon considering Stefan really shouldn't have punched him over Elena. So, that i guess, i have to agree with you on.

As for his humanity being his choice, do you remember when Stefan explained to Caroline about vampires and their feelings? Stefan's feelings toward Klaus have intensified and his obsession (revenge) has really taken over pretty much whole life, making Damon an exception because even now, Damon will be Stefan's first priority. Even Klaus said so.

Therefore, i still believe Stefan was right along with DE.

Why is it so hard for people to accept Stefan's punch? I love watching both guys..their path of love was different too. Stefan-Elena started off with the cute,mysterious feelings and then love.Damon-Elena: hate,friend,care,love.

Originally posted by: rose82

Why is it so hard for people to accept Stefan's punch? I love watching both guys..their path of love was different too. Stefan-Elena started off with the cute,mysterious feelings and then love.Damon-Elena: hate,friend,care,love.

Yet,I would have to give that edge to Stefan. No matter how low he goes,Stefan-Elena's love cannot be compared...The confession scene of Elena to Stefan proved it. The hurt on his face..and seeing him hurt,Elena had tears too...How can that be beaten...? Until he was pushed off the edge,whatever he did...even his first kiss..he kissed a bit,didnt even hold her.He waited for her to get into it.She held him and that was when he did too. There were times I didnt like what he did...like give Elena just like that to Klaus.But thats him,I guess. He always gave that freedom to Elena.

This was the first time he didnt...he went against her wishes.Just give him some breathing space.

At the end of it...both brothers did almost the same things...! Loved her,force-fed her,went against her wishes,mad at her...finally mad for her!

very well put👏👏👏...isnt it funny that people forget that Damon did the exact same things to Elena in season 1 and yet people conveniently blame Stefan for the only one being insecure🥱

I did not see the comment about Stefan putting Elena's life in danger when Damon never did that. Yeah,he didnt put her life in danger...but he tried to kill Caroline,Jeremy and doesnt care for Bonnie too. These are the people Elena lives for!She is nothing without them in her life. Its as good as killing her.Even when Damon's good side showed through,he said he would put Elena before the witch.

It's Kiss and should be more then grateful to elena for telling him so that she did it . He also kissed Rebecca in making so he tech. can't blame her she kissed Damon as her and stefan are currently not together so no he had no right to be upset and be mad at damon and make elena feel guilty