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sia08

@sia08

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#51

Can this fight stop please

their is no meaning of this fighting

one thing it hardly matter whether co actors do not give iv together

but what matter is storyline

if a storyline is working why change it becoz of one of actor do not like it or worried abt her / his character

actor had right to say that she will not play negative role

best thing would have been if they had selected an alternative for her in place of changing storyline which was working

many actress eager to play negative role just look at jennifer in behaad

for me downfall the serial started from there

trp audiences liked negative ragini and swasan as couple thats it

then again after that poor storyline continue if we exclude some good episode

it was seem like no planning were their

they were so used to give emphasis on ragini as negative

that they thought giving emhasis to any negative character will work like sahil

iv do not really count but iv are real indication how much control PH have on its crew and actors and actress

i donot mind VaHe not giving ivs together its their personal life

but some other actors negative iv give indication some of them are really unprofessional they are

for me its a failure of PH

p.s.- its my pov and already distancing myself from this show becoz i know i will miss swasan if i get too involved

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StarySKY

@StarySKY

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Posted: 8 years ago

#52

Can I say something .. ?!

I think the reason why the Actors and Actresses stopped giving IVs is because of the fans ..

If they gave an IV fans start bashing them ..

The bashing never stopped though they asked so many times not to bash ..

I really don't blame them if they stopped giving IVs and stopped sharing their pictures together ..

If you give a look to the comments under the pictures in their Instagram accounts , it a place for bashing and wars between fans ..

Some fans did cross the lines in their bashing and talking about actors/Actresses .. some are talking like they are living in their head or living with them ..

Actors/Actresses are humans can do right and wrong .. and they need a space to breath so they stopped giving IVs ..

Though the fans start bashing them because of that ..

Some Fans just bash for the sake of bashing they assume things and start talking like it the truth .. if we re-watch the IVs maybe we would know that the actors/Actresses didn't meant it like we understand it .. it just a misunderstanding between the actors/Actresses and Fans groups ..

I think Fans must stop their judgement and let them in peace as we don't know them in person .. and we really don't know what happening in the off-screen ..

P.S

I am just talking generally .. I didn't meant anyone in person

And it about the fans I see in some FB and Instagram pages ..

About actors/Actresses and change of story line ..

Acting is their career they have all the right to change if you are not comfortable .. all of them have that right ( by the way some actors/Actresses change the story .. the dialogue .. the screen space for characters .. it a common thing )

I think she was quitting the show because she was not comfortable with her character any more and fans start bashing her as a person ..

But the PH didn't want her to quit or to change the actress so they change the story line .. I think it was good some how because some people was getting sick of Ragini been negative ..

The change wasn't in one go , they show the change little by little ..

But cvs failed to redeem her .. that is the problem they didn't show her redemption .. not turing her positive ..

SR as serial has many potentials .. cvs could carried the story in different ways as they have 4 leads ..

They could show stories for the 2 sister/ 2 brothers .. for the 2 couples .. or for them the 4 together ..

The story was full of negavitiy and drama .. focusing on some and sidline the others .. or if the start a good track they spoiled it at the end ..

They could showed some stories for the 2 couples .. a normal life with the problems that every married couple had ..

Not to forget the ignorance SR have from the channel .. and they never cared for the fans once ..

In the end all I wanted to say is ..

SR main problem is the story , that why people stopped watching it .. nothing else

Just my POV .. and I am sorry if I hurt anyone not intended to ..

Edited by StarySKY - 8 years ago

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Jane

@janecastle

Sparkler

+ 6

Posted: 8 years ago

#53

I don't think that the IV's matter much for the TRP...

Most of the TRP contributers are TRP aunties who don't care about what happens off screen as long as it don't affect the story...

But here the problem with SR is that the story sucked after sometime... The CV's didn't know how to handle the 4 leads together so they made one into complete vamp and butchered her character to that extent that even the actress was bashed personally...

I don't think blaming the actress because she asked to change her character is correct... She was promised the lead role and then making her negative to favour another is complete injustice to both the actress and the character...

And please don't bring in Maya's character... The situations are completely different... Maya was supposed to be a grey character from the beginning and her character was not changed in between to favour others...

Edited by janecastle - 8 years ago

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dolly

@tiny15

Stunner

+ 3

Posted: 8 years ago

#54

i agree wid all ppl here wid their POVs as almost all r stating facts & 2 sum extent all r rite at their place.

no doubt crappy tracks/story line is majorly responsible 4 this but oder factors do hav their share in this mess.

abt IVs i know TRP aunties/viewers don't care abt it much but one thing which is 2 b seen here is SR has mixed viewers i.e youth plus housewives i.e TRP viewers.and youth mostly is on SNS & watches their IVs etc.so they r bound 2 get affected by this.

watever is the reason 4 that, fans don't understand much that nor actors situn(its universal fact. oder actors also got or gets same treatment if happens same wid them its up2 actors how 2 handle teh situn.sum handle it nicely sum brilliantly & sum badly ) and here in this case actor handled it not so nicely i won't call it badly as intention was not bad.they r in this field from a long time & shud understand 4 wat & how & why fans react like this. majority of fans don't behave badly its only 10% who bash 4 everything.so 4 a minority why 2 ignore majority??

i m not blaming the actor as i know hes not like a prsn who is opportunist .if they stopped giving IVs bcoz oder FD bashed the actress then its so silly reason bcoz hes paired wid that actress so if they give frndly IVs or r close 2 each doer than oder actress then it shudn't bother oder FD nor the actors shud care abt them as they r not his FD.they"ll never support them if it cums 2 choose btn their favs & them.

it shows that FD wants their fav 2 b paired wid all the males of the show & only she has the rite 2 give overfrndly IVs wid all the males but the actress whos paired wid that actor can't give any IV wid that actor nor the actor can say hes close 2 her but shud say hes close 2 that actress whos close 2 one of his family member.

now abt SS etc things. i agree if sum1 wants not 2 b -ve then its their rite but 4 that throwing tantrums & threatening is not gud. if u want 2 quit then quit w/o blaming CVs or PH or oder FDs or boasting abt ur fan following or saying u r TRP gainer.

and saying shes made -ve 2 shine oders is wrong. she herself'd said that she was told that her ckt will b grey later on & thatswhy even wen she was shown docile she showed he r greyness.its only 4 this ckt that oders r ruined from laksh, kavita,shomi even shekhar,parineeta & adarsh 2 sum extent & swara(recent stupidity of her 4 leaving sanky 4 this)

and yes CVs did retain the actress & made the ckt +ve wid stupidity. they shud'd let the ckt remain grey or redeemed her properly & shudn't'd ruined oder ckts . din't CVs redeemed laksh's ckt w/o ruining oders??even tho 2day many of his actions r not liked by viewers & sumtimes he gets bashed/criticized 4 that also but still ppl like him more than ragz( i m talking abt neutral viewers & oder ppl except ragz supporters)i used 2 like ragz more than him even tho she was -ve & thot i mite take much time 2 like laksh ckt & he wud b least liked by me but now ragz is least liked by me.

i just wish & hope we swasan/vahe fans get our old days back & i m sure it"ll happen & also truth will cum out abt why that happened not just in front of fans but also in front of the actors.

and last but not least i m happy he has clarified all & also that hes still that much close 2 his co-star & i'd also said many times in my oder prev posts that his IVs never said hes close 2 oder actress on his own rather his words were like he has 2 say that ( may b bcoz of his costar getting bashed 4 frndly IVs by oder FD)but i wish he shud'd done this earlier .

and yes ppl r saying helly never shirked form giving IVs & its not mutual then i"ll say the ppl who r talking abt mutual MU is 4 fans & the actor not btn the actors.

PS i m not blaming the actor nor i think hes opportunist but i agree he cudn't handle things nicely even tho hes genuine prsn mite b bcoz of misinformn from his so-called close frnds& oder ppl(i think we all trust more our near & dear ones than oders even if they oders r rite)

hope now he start seeing things more clearly & not rely on oders & thinks how oders whom he thot or thinks as his well wishers created havoc in his prsnl & prfsnl life.

i want 2 say many thing but i can't express myself better & almost all ppl hav said oder things also esply by swasan /vahe fans.

Edited by tiny15 - 8 years ago

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Jane

@janecastle

Sparkler

+ 6

Posted: 8 years ago

#55

Why are people blaming the actor for all the mess...

Everyone know how friendly all the 4 leads were in the beginning... There was no discomfort between any of them...

All this started when some people started blaming the actor and started making things personal... With all those ugly comments posted on every SNS including IF it is quite natural that the actors stopped give IVs...

If anyone is to blame then it is some people who bash the actors for no valid reason...

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nimmi

@Banjaaran25

Rocker

+ 4

Posted: 8 years ago

#56

heya dear🤗.
thank you for remembering my quote. and yes i still stand by it.
actors who let their offscreen equations spill on screen need a different job.
eg. Mohinish behl being the lead in a romantic show KTLK refused intimate scenes coz it made him and his wife uncomfortable. the serial suffered and he had to be replaced.

to give credit where it is due our actors both Varun and Helly whenever they stepped on screen became the characters Sanskaar and Swara and created magic that Swasan is with no discomfort or jarring notes. so all the props in the world for them for the professional seasoned actors they are. bless them.

but those iv issues and other issues should have been handled better earlier by one party.
being nice to fans, staying connected with them, sometimes walking two steps towards them, reciprocating and respecting their fair wishes goes a long way in turning the actors into stars.
that's why the actors go friendly, sweet, intellectual, even deshbhakt when they have to sell themselves and their products.
gone are the days where only onscreen matter.
now in the intense SNS times offscreen image equally matters for popularity, reach, awards and getting ads and new shows.

BUT...
in NO WAYS whatsoever the offscreen jarring notes can be held responsible for trps or shutting down of a serial.
because trps are given by the audience who watch the serial lives at their homes. we call them trp aunties and they care a jot for the actors.
they identify ONLY characters.

and the actors made those characters flawless on screen.

so NO blame on the actors for the state of the serial.they gave nothing but their best.

why is this serial ending then?

1. NO story.

the makers are winging it as it comes for a long time. the tracks start with pomp and show all guns blazing. the audience are all hooked and excited. oh the dream track.
and mid way it turns into nightmare.
by the end we beg and plead for the frigging track to end.

not that all other top 10 serials are narrating a stellar story but there is some sort of flow and connect in the track and characters no matter how ridiculous, dumb and illogical they are.
gopi vahu is still obsessed with koki.
pragnya is still a doormat.
raman is still an ass.

our characters on the other hand..
in one track they are doughnut, other track they mutate to meduvada and dahi bhalla in next.

less said about tracks the better.
ML track was gulab jamun.
FP raita.
if you must serve both dishes to justify the title of serial for godsakes make sure they don't clash. but no! our makers tossed both the dishes together, ran a blender through the mess and expected audience to lump it.
instead people threw up and bailed out.

(i guess i am hungry and need a chow. me and my examples😆)

2. Actors becoming larger than Characters.

barring the rarest cases of actor being irreplaceable (ex. Sujal garewal, Dutta bhau) ALL actors are replaceable.
cardinal rule of tele land... NO actor is above the story.

in our serial: every time a half decent tract comes for one actor and couple; other one throws a hissy fit and the makers bend backwards to accommodate the later tanking the tracks in this process.

a square peg wants to turns into round one coz that was promised to it; then shape the peg. don't nail it in the round hole jabardasti.
no wonder the tambu of swaragini collapsed.

3. PH has given up.

Contrary to the popular opinion i don't think it is channel's call. Colors are ruthless, cut throat, slave labour type of channel which believes in bleeding last drop of every serial.
yes they could be douche in pulling rugs off the serial that no longer gives them profit but usually they give notice.

biggest give away here is new serial. usually first come teasers, then promos, coming soon, press, ads and then the date.
here the serial just sprang at us.
the channel lost the advantage of the hype and buildup and excitement and anticipation. why would they deliberately choose disadvantage when a month or so extension of SR is their favour?
RS has 2 top rated show in this very channel and a long association. the channel could easily give an extension or time slot change.

but i think RS has given up.
she has better serials in her kitty. for the effort that must go into a huge serial like SR results aren't shaking.
memory loss, separation, mu everything is done and dusted. only leap is remaining. actors are too young or will be unwilling for leap. bacha kya?
a good business decision is to bail out.
and that's exactly what has happened.

The serial is ending because simply no story is left. because makers are done with it.
because of lot many wrong notes in the beginning and middle and no notes left in the end.

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nimmi

@Banjaaran25

Rocker

+ 4

Posted: 8 years ago

#57

Actors and fans.

all celebrities (and sometimes their family members) gets bashing and trashing.
a child was given death wishes, threats and his family members where abused brutally for daring to win Jhalak against a popular actor.
comes with the territory.
bouquets and brick bats.
wishes and curses.
love and unhealthy obsession.

some actors can handle it. some can't. it is ok if the actors wish to stay away from the bashing altogether.
but..
it is NOT acceptable when they (or their family members) get down to the level of fans and start their own mocking, taunting, bashing and criticism of the fans.

because fans are nameless, faceless, anonymous entity.
they are transient.

day before yesterday i was Dutta maniac/Mishal obsessed fan. yesterday a Sanskaar'ian and Swasan'ian. today a Sukor'ian and MehRya'ian. my identity will keep changing.

the actors and their actions are forever.

Fans are allowed to be idiots.
Actors and people associated with them should remain dignified and classy. you cannot hurt a majority because of a stupid minority. can't judge them.
and most definitely can't get down to the level of that minority.

i thought and still think that birthday fiasco and some other issues where completely uncalled for. and wrong.

but after seeing the ivs of others which redefine immaturity, viciousness and tawtgiri on whole new level i now have discovered new found respect for VK.

guys i don't mean to sound like a moral police of mother theresa...just friendly words.
Let it go.

when serials stretch beyond limits and die on a whimpering notes without even fans caring for that death.
when serials are brutally killed before they could live...

we are blessed to have this fairy tale of Swasan which is a beautiful journey with all shades of colours and light.

the actors brought the magic alive.
the characters were so beautifully flawed yet perfect ones.
the story was magical.
and the end came when people actually cared.

we will always wish for more.
but what has been given to us is priceless.

it has been a blessed story.

so let go of the bitterness. not worth it.
there are much better, beautiful and blissful things SwaSan'ians can cherish forever.

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isha

@ishanita

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Posted: 8 years ago

#58

Originally posted by: Banjaaran.
<font size="2" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Actors and fans.

all celebrities (and sometimes their family members) gets bashing and trashing.
a child was given death wishes, threats and his family members where abused brutally for daring to win Jhalak against a popular actor.
comes with the territory.
bouquets and brick bats.
wishes and curses.
love and unhealthy obsession.

some actors can handle it. some can't. it is ok if the actors wish to stay away from the bashing altogether.
but..
it is NOT acceptable when they (or their family members) get down to the level of fans and start their own mocking, taunting, bashing and criticism of the fans.

because fans are nameless, faceless, anonymous entity.
they are transient.

day before yesterday i was Dutta maniac/Mishal obsessed fan. yesterday a Sanskaar'ian and Swasan'ian. today a Sukor'ian and MehRya'ian. my identity will keep changing.

the actors and their actions are forever.

Fans are allowed to be idiots.
Actors and people associated with them should remain dignified and classy. you cannot hurt a majority because of a stupid minority. can't judge them.
and most definitely can't get down to the level of that minority.

i thought and still think that birthday fiasco and some other issues where completely uncalled for. and wrong.

but after seeing the ivs of others which redefine immaturity, viciousness and tawtgiri on whole new level i now have discovered new found respect for VK.

guys i don't mean to sound like a moral police of mother theresa...just friendly words.
Let it go.

when serials stretch beyond limits and die on a whimpering notes without even fans caring for that death.
when serials are brutally killed before they could live...

we are blessed to have this fairy tale of Swasan which is a beautiful journey with all shades of colours and light.

the actors brought the magic alive.
the characters were so beautifully flawed yet perfect ones.
the story was magical.
and the end came when people actually cared.

we will always wish for more.
but what has been given to us is priceless.

it has been a blessed story.

so let go of the bitterness. not worth it.</font><font size="2" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">
there are much better, beautiful and blissful things SwaSan'ians can cherish forever.
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nimmi oh I so missed u ...u described all the points perfectly dear and yaa me too liking mehrya.

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Nynaeve

@Nynaeve

Dazzler

Posted: 8 years ago

#59

Dear Nimmi,

That was a brilliant analysis.

I for one have always maintained that I admire SwaSan for the magic they created and am grateful for Varun and Helly for bringing them alive on screen. I really give two hoots how they get along in real life, I keep SwaSan and VaHe very very separate (I could be in a the rare minority but...) so whether they give IVs or not, flood the SNS with lovely dovey photos or not, makes no difference for me.

In fact I remember writing on a thread, in response to you and Shru, if Varun and Helly actually do not get along in real life I will admire them all the more, for the sizzling magic they create on screen.

What you said is the truth, the serial sank because of two reasons, - pathetic (I cannot find a better alternative to this word) story lines and absolutely inconsistent characterisation. As you said, the Serial is shutting down because of TRPs which is determined by the aunties and they give a damn for what the actors are in real life. Most of them would not even care to find out the real names, for them they are Swara, Sanskaar, Ragini,Laksh etc. So the real culprit is the story line or lack of it and complete ruination of the characters.

Ragini the sweet traditional girl morphing to the vamp and showing signs (however slight) of remorse during the Laksh kidnapping her track - butchered beyond redemption when she was re-morphed into the malkin🤢🤢

Sanskaar, with his brilliant revenge, realisation, remorse and redemption track becomes a door nail (I know you said door knob but even that serves a purpose of letting you open a door, the nail has no use or rationale) the start was during the Kavita blackmail track.

Swara - carefree girl with an ability to find the good in any person, suddenly starts deteriorating - the starting point when she labels Sanskaar for being obsessed with his first love, her reasoning - he suspects Kavita of being behind all the plots to sabotage his wedding with Swara . That was the start of my disillusionment with Swara.

Laksh - consistently impulsive and irrational - the only character the CVs have done justice to by constantly being unjust to him.

The rest - the CVs seem to be playing a game - who will be inane and stupid today / this week? I cannot summon the strength to write about them.

And yes - one point - Dadi turning to be such a ridiculous villain - that also did not go very well - her hatred of Shomi and Swara was tragic and crossed all limits of acceptability, even by any hardcore domineering mother in law aunties who are responsible for the TRPS.

Last but not the least - Swara, one daughter in law, walks out on her husband and sasural because her sister, another daughter in law of the same house, does not want to stay in the sasural where memories of her missing husband haunt her.😕😕 Fine - but was is it necessary to even remove all signs of being married?

No TRP lending aunty is going to support daughters in law wiping out their sindoor and walking out on their husbands despite them professing to be in love with them - No way.

I guess, as usual I have rambled.😆😆

love,

Nyna

Edited by Nynaeve - 8 years ago

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soumi gupta

@soumi93

Sparkler

+ 3

Posted: 8 years ago

#60

Thing is apart from some points i find the main posts very lame and inappropriate..

Story is what makes a show hit or a mess...

SR is no exceptional

Till january 2016 story is good infact in march April too its decent bt dere they introduce a paralel track wd hit formulated track like ML audience left...FP overshadowed ML and thus ppl left wd no choice and Raktcharitra and all those bluffs makes it mre worse than ever...

Only some swasan scenes or RagLak scenes cnt sv the show Storyline is needed highly and a cnsistency of characters...

Overnight a ckt Like Ragini changed in positive cnt be accepted jst like overnight a character Like swara cnt be dumb like they showed in ML track though its ML still one person cn trust outsider over her mother...so PH fault is 100% there

Actors...

If i am nt wrong such cross couple interview happened before as well..its nothing new...I agree and wl always do this tym thngs go a bit more worse and somewhere it affects Fans...It cn be Fans personal dislike fr a person or anything else..bt dnt matter TRP cz those very actors pours out their 1000% onscreen Sanskar never fails to shw to what extent he can go for his lady love Swara

Equation b/w Fans & Actors again 20% of reality 80% of assumption worked there Let me ask a question didnt we fight wd our colleagues,mates, frnds family or sometimes avoid them does it mean we cut up all kinda ties from them???

I guess NO!!!!!!!

But problem occurs when a third person enters in it and messes it more and here unfortunately Fans becomes the third person and they started assuming things more which is slowly started getting far from reality...or else i always wondered Why nt any MEDIA HOUSE like ABP AAJTAK INDIA TV is not reporting such big issues going on in sets whereas they r PRO at it...

SO surely there must be something which is nt so big bt we r making it big...Its common sense those who r in sets they r also denying of such ngtivity bt NO whole world is wrong and hiding bt only fans r seeing hidden truth sitting miles away from them...

whenever an IV comes up either i see people finding too much closeness or too much awkardness in it...whereas its as simple as that...bt no!!!!what can you expect from a person who returns home after a long tiring day be it Helly or Varun or others and sees lots of ngtivity around them normally they wl love to avoid such interaction isnt it a too predictable thought????

but TRP Aunties r never aware of such things my mom and aunt calls varun as sanskar they dnt evn remember his name actually mstly refer him as sanskar and they r so much happy wd sanskar love for swara so how come Offscreen Issues hamper TRPS...

Well this debate has no end still saying if u really have doubt on people's professionalism and their behaviour pls ask those who went and meet them and spent time...i am sure ur doubts wl be clear otherwise u wl think a BLIND JABRA defending his/her FAVS

Signing off

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