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Which in your opinion was the WORST Mahabharat depiction?

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Vrish

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Posted: 9 years ago

#441

Originally posted by: lexy_rix
Krishna feeling emotional about Dwarka meeting its fate,
Kunti, Gandhari & Dhritarashtra want to take sanyaas
And Vrishaketu is born now!!! 🤣

So, who is supposed to raise him if Dwarka is almost nearing its end (which would also mean Pandavas retiring soon after)???

Originally posted by: .Vrish.
In which day's episode was Vrishaketu born? I wanna watch that

Originally posted by: lexy_rix
Episode dated 1st August...
He was born in the final week of the show and is in charge of both Anga & Indraprastha!!🤣

Just saw that part of the episode. A few observations:

Newborn Vrishaketu was fine even in Draupadi's lap, but started crying the moment she handed him to his dadi Kunti 👍🏼
Kunti gave Krishna the naming rights, and Krishna named him Vrishaketu after getting flashbacks of Vrishasena dying in battle
How did Vrushali get the title of 'Maharani'?

Also, Dhritarashtra, Gandhari & Kunti should have been long gone. Not only is Gandhari still there, she looks more like she's Dury's daughter, rather than mom 😆

Anyway, did they show swargarohan, and Karna uniting w/ the Pandavas in the final episode?

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Vrish

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Posted: 9 years ago

#442

Originally posted by: amritat
I have a feeling SonyKarna's ghost will climb Himalayas along with the Pandavas n Draupadi...😎
And he might actually give moral support to his brothers for climbing such high peak...

Will they have SonyKarna enter the dog, instead of Yamaraj? Or will that be considered insulting him by equating him w/ a canine?

Originally posted by: lexy_rix
I won't be surprised if SonyKarna's ghost takes Yama's spot, and turns up as the dog!! 🤪

Okay, so you beat me to it 😆

Edited by .Vrish. - 9 years ago

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amritat

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Posted: 9 years ago

#443

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Will they have SonyKarna enter the dog, instead of Yamaraj? Or will that be considered insulting him by equating him w/ a canine?

Thankfully they didnt show that.

As for whether it would be considered an insult, not sure...😳

Karna fans can answer better n I am not one of them...😈

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amritat

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Posted: 9 years ago

#444

Originally posted by: .MereRangMein.
I cannot imagine what people will write if they ever answer a test on Mahabharat based on this. I dare not think about it.

Question, have they really copied from KMG? I have not read it but I heard it is one of the better sources.

No...just saying.

They supposedly took it from various sources.

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Justitia

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Posted: 9 years ago

#445

Originally posted by: .Vrish.
Anyway, did they show swargarohan, and Karna uniting w/ the Pandavas in the final episode?

Swargarohan, yes

But everything was sooo wrong.

Reason for Draupadi's death was completely avoided. Even reasons for the death of the others was inaccurate. All the Pandavas were behaving in an unnatural (like, really weird) manner just before they faced death. The deaths were totally dramatized.

Bhim suffered the worst, from the looks of it. Bhim & dog caught in slushy quicksand - Yudi chose to 'sacrifice' Bhim to save the dog. That is how I saw it. Yudi actually tells Bhim,"You can look after yourself but doggy can't so I save doggy" even as Bhim was drowning! Not sure if Yudi will earn any brownie points from you in that scene, considering you are a Bhim fan.

The narak scene basically reinforces some character misconceptions and myths. Yudi is deemed as totally flawless. Sony Karna was sitting on a nice, big, fancy throne (the new Devraj methinks!). Nothing about Draupadi being Sree, or even the common divine aspect of Arjun & Krishna.

Krishna giving gyaan in the end...done.

Over and out for good.

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Justitia

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Posted: 9 years ago

#446

Originally posted by: .MereRangMein.
Question, have they really copied from KMG? I have not read it but I heard it is one of the better sources.

If they had copied from KMG, Sony Karna would not have been SidTPutra - just saying 😉

The thing is every adaptation has its pros and cons - so does KMG.

But, personally speaking, it is my first source of information for the epic because I am yet to come across a more elaborate and more detailed account of the story (if there is a more detailed and elaborate account of MB than KMG, please let me know).

This is NOT to say that it is the most authentic version (indeed the KMG text contradicts itself in many places). The thing is that KMG does NOT shy away from mentioning the most controversial aspects of the story (Pandavas overcome by lust at Draupadi's swayamwar, Arjun arguing with Yudi over Draupadi during the Kurukshetra War, etc.) - but at the same time, unnecessary controversy is not created (Draupadi & Karna interacting only as much needed - if you know what I mean...)

As per my experience, characters in KMG are presented objectively just the way they are in the most real manner possible with no whitewashing or blackwashing (unlike SidT's stories). Characters are NOT defined by their tragedies in this adaptation.

But, other adaptations are generally referred to as well because KMG language is regarded as too Victorian by some (hence difficult to understand), and too many non-specific epithets used ("Bull Amongst Men", "Tiger Amongst Men", etc.), and as mentioned before, the text contradicts itself in many places. Was this because the MB we know today is basically Vyasa's contribution (Jaya) combined with latter additions, interpolations, interpretations, etc.? Or, is it that Vyasa himself did not sugarcoat the story?

Whatever it be, it basically results in the text being interpreted in too many different ways - leading to endless debates and arguments.

So, it is entirely up to you as to how you view KMG, and if you prefer other editions over it...

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aanvi

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Posted: 9 years ago

#447

The last part was good i think... happy family... i so want mahabharat be a happy one, no family fighting, just fighting with demons...😆 nevertheless i hv so many different different weird idea regarding mb...😆

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amritat

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Posted: 9 years ago

#448

Originally posted by: lexy_rix

If they had copied from KMG, Sony Karna would not have been SidTPutra - just saying 😉

The thing is every adaptation has its pros and cons - so does KMG.

But, personally speaking, it is my first source of information for the epic because I am yet to come across a more elaborate and more detailed account of the story (if there is a more detailed and elaborate account of MB than KMG, please let me know).

This is NOT to say that it is the most authentic version (indeed the KMG text contradicts itself in many places). The thing is that KMG does NOT shy away from mentioning the most controversial aspects of the story (Pandavas overcome by lust at Draupadi's swayamwar, Arjun arguing with Yudi over Draupadi during the Kurukshetra War, etc.) - but at the same time, unnecessary controversy is not created (Draupadi & Karna interacting only as much needed - if you know what I mean...)

As per my experience, characters in KMG are presented objectively just the way they are in the most real manner possible with no whitewashing or blackwashing (unlike SidT's stories). Characters are NOT defined by their tragedies in this adaptation.

But, other adaptations are generally referred to as well because KMG language is regarded as too Victorian by some (hence difficult to understand), and too many non-specific epithets used ("Bull Amongst Men", "Tiger Amongst Men", etc.), and as mentioned before, the text contradicts itself in many places. Was this because the MB we know today is basically Vyasa's contribution (Jaya) combined with latter additions, interpolations, interpretations, etc.? Or, is it that Vyasa himself did not sugarcoat the story?

Whatever it be, it basically results in the text being interpreted in too many different ways - leading to endless debates and arguments.

So, it is entirely up to you as to how you view KMG, and if you prefer other editions over it...

Agreed. There are other versions as well, which are detailed as KMG.

BORI's Critical Edition, Gita Press Edition, Kaliprasanna Singha's Mahabharat(Bengali) are as detailed as KMG. The only reason y KMG is sooo worshipped is bcoz it is the only English translation that is found free online, and people can quote it anywhere n anytime. To quote from BORI, one will have to spend 5K from one's own pocket...😉

And not everyone can read Hindi, Bengali or any other regional language. So, English is the best option, n hence KMG. BORI's CE is found free online, but in Sanskrit. Bibek Debroy's English translation is not available in public domain...😭 This is as detailed as KMG, with 'bulls' n 'tigers'. The only difference is, they have removed some of the incidents that have been proved to be later additions. The current Mahabharat is of 100000 verses, but BORI has reduced it to 75000 verses, after 5 decades of research. I think that doesnt reduce its authenticity, as it makes it closer to the 8800 verses, that Originally Vyas had made.

Now coming to the interpolations that u talked about, yes...many believe that the core Jaya consisted of 8K verses. The new stories were formed on this core Jaya with layers of interpolations through hundreds of years. The difference in language n the school of Sanskrit is evident, as per scholars.

Coming back to KMG, I agree...it does not show any tragedy like tragedy, except maybe Draupadi's dragging. Even Karna's rejection by Draupadi is treated like any other ordinary incident.

It is baffling that Karna never himself refers to this incident ever, if I am not mistaken.

In KMG or for that matter, all unabridged versions, no character is treated as 'tragic hero' or anything.

The incidents are blatantly honest.

I have heard many people say that the epic is 'biased towards the Pandavas'.

I vehemently disagree. Yes, the TONE of narration is biased towards the Pandavas, but the flaws n virtues of ALL characters have been described.

Draupadi's pride n insecurity...Yudisthir's urge to win Hastinapur...Bhima's crueler side...Arjun's indifference...even Lord Krishna is casteist n racist in places(n yeah I have NO qualms in admitting that). Their deception during war, n even Yudisthir's strategy to make Karna weak by Shalya is also there.

The epic shows both the great n mean sides of Karna, n doesnt hide the fact that his Anga was a hub of human-trafficking, where women were sold...a fact, not known to many.

So...if Yudisthir is blamed for staking his citizens(for which he should be blamed)...Karna should not be left behind, as he was a ruler of Anga for three decades atleast. 😆

And KMG himself was said to be 'Karna admirer', for which he had removed many verses in his version that show Karna in poor light. He had even toned down the harsh words of Karna in places...

This is something, that was brought up in Mahabharat forum. I dont know how true it is. 😉

The epic does give epithets like 'Anagha' to Arjun, n 'Shree, Shakti, Saraswati' to Draupadi...but their flaws have been shown honestly. Noone is spared in Mahabharat.

It is these modern authors n renditions that have glorified n blackwashed characters unnecessarily as per their own liking

People who cant digest strong, bold women paint Draupadi n Kunti as black.

People who cant understant Karna or Duryodhan's dilemmas paint them black.

And then, there are people, who blindly swallow these painted depictions, n start arguing with ignorance.

Edited by amritat - 9 years ago

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Vrish

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Posted: 9 years ago

#449

Originally posted by: lexy_rix
The narak scene basically reinforces some character misconceptions and myths. Yudi is deemed as totally flawless. Sony Karna was sitting on a nice, big, fancy throne (the new Devraj methinks!). Nothing about Draupadi being Sree, or even the common divine aspect of Arjun & Krishna.

How did they show the Yadava fratricide? I have yet to watch the remaining episodes - just watched the birth of Vrishaketu.

About Yudhi & Dury, there are 2 different incidents that took place after the war. The last time the Pandavas visited the forest to see Kunti and Dhritarashtra/Gandhari, Vyasa granted them all the ability to see their fallen kinsmen. Gandharashtra got to see their 100 sons, the Pandavas got to see their sons - Abhimanyu, Ghototkacha, Draupadi's sons, et al, while Kunti got to see Karna. Here, the dead Kauravas were no longer hostile to the Pandavas and briefly exchanged pleasantries, but the Pandavas then mainly focused on their sons and Karna, who they reconciled w/. That would have been a good thing to show in the serial, and a good place to end it.

But when Yudhisthir reached Swargalok and saw Duryodhan there, he wasn't remotely interested in his company. Rather, he protested at Dury being so honored and brought up his crimes - causing the death of everybody, Draupadi's vastraharan and so on, and insisted on meeting his brothers. That was when Indra's doot takes him to one of the most putrid places which he can't stand. But when he was ready to leave the place, he heard the voices of all his brothers, including Karna, and Draupadi as well, and then resolved to stay where they were. That was when the illusion was scattered and he cast off his body i.e. died, and joined Krishna & Arjun.

Vaisapayana then gave Janamejaya a detailed account of who ended up where. Although Yudhisthir & Arjun ended up w/ Vishnu, the other brothers - Karna, Bhima, Nakul & Sahadev ended up w/ their divine parents - Surya, Pavan and the Ashwins.

Showing Yudhi all pally w/ Dury is a total perversion - one might as well show Yudhisthir joining the Kaurava army in the war

P.S. Saw the yuvraj-abhishek episode. They showed Vrishaketu being declared the ruler of Anga, which was fine. One thing that struck me was that Vrushali and Uttara looked the same age, almost like they were pals, which is ridiculous. Vrushali should have looked as old as Draupadi.

Edited by .Vrish. - 9 years ago

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Vrish

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Posted: 9 years ago

#450

I'll add one thing about Vrishaketu. While he's not mentioned at all in KMG, the fact that Janemaya was a disciple of Vyasa i.e. a contemporary character, rather than someone who came millenia later, makes it at least possible that Vrishaketu existed. Unlike in the Ramayan where people assume the accounts of medieval authors like Tulsidas, Kamban, et al to be authentic.

However, the way this serial depicted it - making Karna marry Vrishali, who he knew as a kid, only after Supriya's death, was ludicrous. Polygamy was very common in that era, and Karna would have had no trouble marrying both Vrushali and Supriya. In his account to Krishna, he mentions how all his marriages were arranged by Adhiratha/Radha, and also, each of the Pandavas had at least 2 wives - Draupadi and one more. Bhima had 3 and Arjun 4.

Also, just watche the mausala parva episode. Looks like Sony Kritavarma's insult of Krishna was accurate - he was Draupadi's 6th hubby 😈 I mean when Jara shot Krishna and the latter's soul departed in the shape of the peacock feather, it was Draupadi's room's candles that all got extinguished. Usually, that only happened if a woman got widowed, so it would only have happened had all the Pandavas died. Yet, Krishna dies, and all of Draupadi's candles are extinguished. Sony Kritavarma had it right!

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