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Which in your opinion was the WORST Mahabharat depiction?

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amritat

@amritat

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Posted: 9 years ago

#451

Originally posted by: .Vrish.
I'll add one thing about Vrishaketu. While he's not mentioned at all in KMG, the fact that Janemaya was a disciple of Vyasa i.e. a contemporary character, rather than someone who came millenia later, makes it at least possible that Vrishaketu existed. Unlike in the Ramayan where people assume the accounts of medieval authors like Tulsidas, Kamban, et al to be authentic.

However, the way this serial depicted it - making Karna marry Vrishali, who he knew as a kid, only after Supriya's death, was ludicrous. Polygamy was very common in that era, and Karna would have had no trouble marrying both Vrushali and Supriya. In his account to Krishna, he mentions how all his marriages were arranged by Adhiratha/Radha, and also, each of the Pandavas had at least 2 wives - Draupadi and one more. Bhima had 3 and Arjun 4.

Also, just watche the mausala parva episode. Looks like Sony Kritavarma's insult of Krishna was accurate - he was Draupadi's 6th hubby 😈 I mean when Jara shot Krishna and the latter's soul departed in the shape of the peacock feather, it was Draupadi's room's candles that all got extinguished. Usually, that only happened if a woman got widowed, so it would only have happened had all the Pandavas died. Yet, Krishna dies, and all of Draupadi's candles are extinguished. Sony Kritavarma had it right!

Actually that happens in Ekta Kapoor's serials...😈

In Siddharth Tewary's serials, candles extinguish at the death of sons n friends as well...Remember, Gandhari's magic candles? 😉

Coming to Vrishtaketu...is it true that he was killed by Babruvahana n was restored by Lord Krishna in Jaimini's Mahabharat? Or did he die completely? If he came back alive, then was why he not the given throne? 😕

Is there any source from where one can read Jaimini's Mahabharat n watever is available of it?

Edited by amritat - 9 years ago

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aanvi

@aanvi98

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+ 2

Posted: 9 years ago

#452

Oh god why our C.N.A.T is turning into DharmaShala! well kudos to all, i came to know so many things which i didnt know!!👏

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ltelidevara

@ltelidevara

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+ 8

Posted: 9 years ago

#453

One thing I should point out - the above 2 books have contrasting accounts of what happened. Like in MB, Arjun never finds Krishna's or Balarama's bodies, but just assumes them dead and does their shradhs. In SB, everybody's shradh is done in Dwarka itself. In MB, he does the shradh at Indraprastha, after crowning Vajra the ruler of the Yadavas. The MB account sounded more credible, since Arjun had just 7 days to vacate Dwarka, so there would have been no time for any religious ceremonies, given how elaborate and time consuming they are, and given that they had to evacuate quickly.-

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Vrish as per BORI Arjun found the bodies. Here are the verses.

Tatah Sareere Ramasya Vaasudevasya Chobhayoh

Anvishya Dahayamasa Purushairaptakaribhih.

Then having searched the bodies with the help of well wishers( here may be tribals)

He burnt the bodies of both Rama and Vaasudeva.

KMG translated it like Having searched he did the burning of the bodies of both Krishna and Balarama with the help of brahmins who are experts in doing so.

Here is the next verse that tells this happened within seven days and he started on seventh day.

Sa Tesham Vidhivat Kritva pretakaryani Pandavah

Saptame Divase Prayadradhamaruhya Satvarah.

Having finished the funeral rites,on the seventh day he ascended the chariot and started in haste.

So BORI clearly mentioned the bodies located ,the rites were done and he started on the seventh day.

I personally feel Arjun will never leave without tracing Krishna's body.Never

Arjun must have done important deeds and left Dwaraka.

BORI as usual is perfect according to me.

These poems are there in Mausala parva with the heading

Vasudevasya Nidhanam Vajrabhishekam.

Edited by ltelidevara - 08 August 2016 at 11:33pm

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Vrish

@Vr15h

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+ 6

Posted: 9 years ago

#454

Aside from what I mentioned in the other thread The Last Moments as per the Epic Krishna's Farewell, one thing I found weird was Arjun saving Lakshmanaa alone, or did he? The next scene was him w/ Yudhi and everyone, but no Lakshmanaa. Did she too get snatched from him here? 😈

Like I mentioned, showing Uttara & Vrushali as contemporaries, and not showing Subhadra at all was 🤢 It was Subhadra who was left in charge of Parikshit and VAJRA - Krishna's great grandson. Also, in a previous episode, Yudhi had announced that Vrishaketu would be made ruler of Anga, but here, he made it Indraprastha? Actually, Indraprastha became the capital of the Pandavas a few generations down, replacing Hastinapur.

Also, showing Nakul trying to scare away the dog was uncalled for. Similarly, showing the Pandavas w/ their weapons was silly, since they left all that. Only exception was Arjun. The Pandavas first went on a pilgrimage to Dwarka to pay homage to the dead Yadavas, and there, Arjun returned his Gandheev to Varuna. Then the Pandavas turned to the Himalayas, and it was in that journey that they all died one by one.

More comments after I see the last episode, which is viewable outside India no sooner than tomorrow

Edited by .Vrish. - 9 years ago

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ThePirateKing

@ThePirateKing

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Posted: 9 years ago

#455

Lakshmana was there in one of the scenes. So yeah in this show she was brought safely back.

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Vrish

@Vr15h

Stunner

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Posted: 9 years ago

#456

Okay, just finished watching the last episode.

Mahadev's appearance at the start of the episode just makes a mockery of the well known fact that it's not easy to get HIS darshan. Mahadev giving them all gyan about leaving behind everything was totally out of place. The Pandavas left Hastinapur w/ nothing, and Arjun returned his Gandhiva to Varuna
The Pandavas either did not know that they were the sons of the devas, or even if they did, they recognized their real father as their mothers' husband - Pandu. There is no way Arjun or Yudhisthir would have addressed Indra or Yama as pitashree, nor would Bhima have called himself Pavan putra or Hanuman's anuj
Draupadi was the first to fall, but it was out of exhaustion, rather than her initiative in finding out the way. Nakul did not see a mirage of flowers, and Sahadev didn't rant about being a step-brother. Nor did Arjun boldly chart any routes. And Bhima drowning in quicksand - really stupid
The reason given to Bhima for his dying was not his anger, as Yudhi said, but rather, his gluttony as well as his vanity
Yudhi was received by Indra, not Yamaraj
Dury and Dushi did not mock Yudhisthir in heaven. Yudhistir was simply angry to see them there, and blamed them for what happened to Draupadi, as well as the war
In hell, Yudhi heard their voices, but didn't see any torture going on. And the voices included that of Karna. Also, showing Bhima being tortured for things that were not crimes was ridiculous. It was Krishna who showed him how Jarasandha had to be killed, while Dury & Dushi's deaths were results of the vows that Bhima took
At the end of it all, I liked Karna being shown at the head, and it being a reconciliation, but the presence of the Kauravas was really uncalled for. And Krishna telling Yudhisthir & Karna how wonderful it would have been had the 106 of them been united on earth like they are here was silly - that bhashan should have gone to Dury. But I would have preferred it had the Kauravas been left out altogether, and along w/ the Pandavas, their friends & sons, like Abhimanyu, Vrishasena, Dhrishtadyumna, et al been shown instead
In reality, everyone ended up separated. Karna w/ Surya, Bhima w/ Pavan, Nakul/Sahadev w/ Ashwini twins, Abhimanyu & Uttara w/ Soma-dev, and so on

Anyway, there ends this serial. Like others said, hope this is the last of SidT's mythology creations.

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ltelidevara

@ltelidevara

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Posted: 9 years ago

#457

Nice analysis Vrish Want to share some thoughts on your points.

1 Yes they made a mockery of Mahadev by showing him easily accessible . They went against the Legend of Kedar nath. Dharma Raj never established the Kedareswar ling. As a matter of fact Jyotirling can not be established by mortals or gods. Siva himself establishes himself in the form of Jyothi flame that is solidified as shiv ling. That shiv ling is more powerful than other Lingas established all over.As per Shiv puran Kedarnath Shiv ling happened thus.

Pandavas went to Himalayas they want to get rid of their sins by the grace of Siva. But Shiva won't give darsan to them. He takes the form of a bull and wanders there. Bheem identifies the bull to be Mahadev and pulls it by tail.As the bull rushes fast it got separated into two parts face part falls in Nepal as Pasupatinath ling and the remaining part in Kedar. Pandavas request Siva to establish his Jyotirling there. Siva obliges and Kedareswar Jyotirling happened there.

But for our SIDT it is so easy to get Siva's grace. And the way Yudhishtir establishes the sivling

Just too much.

2 Pandavas knew they are the sons of Gods. Their births are not kept secret by anyone.

When they come to Hastinapur before them only sages tell Bheeshma the way they were born.

When Arjun went to Indralok Indra made him sit on his lap and became emotional

Just like a father would .Vyasa described Indra's emotions elaborately.

When sage Lomasa visits Indra he sees Arjun sitting on the throne by his side.

Vaisampayana said, "One day, the greatRishi Lomasa in course of his wanderings, went to the abode of Indra, desirous of beholding the lord of the celestials. And the great Muni, having approached the chief of the gods, bowed to him respectfully. And he beheld the son of Pandu occupying half of the seat of Vasava. And worshipped by the great Rishis, that foremost of Brahmanas sat on an excellent seat at the desire of Sakra. And beholding Arjuna seated on Indra's seat, the Rishi began to think as to how Arjuna who was a Kshatriya had attained to the seat of Sakra himself. What acts of merit had been performed by him and what regions, had been conquered by him (by ascetic merit), that he had obtained a seat that was worshipped by the gods themselves? And as the Rishi was employed with these thoughts, Sakra, the slayer of Vritra, came to know of them. And having known them, the lord of Sachi addressed Lomasa with a smile and said, 'Listen, OBrahmarshi, about what is now passing in thy mind. This one is no mortal though he hath taken his birth among men. O great Rishi, the mighty-armed hero is even my son born of Kunti. He hath come hither, in order to acquire weapons for some purpose. Alas! dost thou not recognise him as an ancient Rishi of the highest merit? Listen to me, O Brahamana, as I tell thee who is and why he hath come to me. Those ancient and excellent Rishis who were known by the names of Nara and Narayana are, know, O Brahmana, none else than Hrishikesa and Dhananjaya. And those Rishis, celebrated throughout the three worlds, and known by the names of Nara and Narayana have, for the accomplishment of a special purpose.

So before Arjun only Indra admits he is his son by Kunti.

Likewise Dharma met Yudhi and Hanuman met Bheem.

They very well know the relationship and no reason is there not to accept the fact.

3 The way Pandavas fell Draupadi fell ,I must say distortion at its best.

All six of them were following Yoga and walking silently.They fixed their senses and in a way

They are In trance.And Draupadi fell. Not because she is exhausted. She failed in practicing yoga perfectly.Yog bhrasht it is called. And the reason Dharmaraj gave for her failure in yoga sadhana I need not tell. Every one knows. And BORI accepted it.

4 I agree with you The reason for Bheema's fall is gluttony as well as vanity.

5 Yes Indra received Yudhi. Yama is with him in the form of dog.

6 Yes Agreed. Yudhi was angry with them. They did not say anything.

7 The makers fulfilled their desires to show Pandavas suffer in hell.They conveniently excluded Karna here. Like you said Yudhi hears Karna's voice also.But it is false. He just hears voices which request him to be there for some more time.

8 By showing Karna sit on the throne of Indra, they mocked Indra and his post. It is said that

One who performs hundred aswamethas will get that throne. But SPK Got that by uttering the word Parivartan a hundred times. So here I differ with you.They should have shown him with Surya but not on Indra 's throne.

9 yes Every one got separated in the end. Finally They merge in them.Yudhishtir merges in Dharmadev,

Yes I pray to God SID T should never touch Mahabharat again. Atleast not in my lifetime.

Good Analysis Vrish.

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Justitia

@Justitia

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Posted: 9 years ago

#458

Originally posted by: ltelidevara

1 Yes they made a mockery of Mahadev by showing him easily accessible . They went against the Legend of Kedar nath. Dharma Raj never established the Kedareswar ling. As a matter of fact Jyotirling can not be established by mortals or gods. Siva himself establishes himself in the form of Jyothi flame that is solidified as shiv ling. That shiv ling is more powerful than other Lingas established all over.As per Shiv puran Kedarnath Shiv ling happened thus.
Pandavas went to Himalayas they want to get rid of their sins by the grace of Siva. But Shiva won't give darsan to them. He takes the form of a bull and wanders there. Bheem identifies the bull to be Mahadev and pulls it by tail.As the bull rushes fast it got separated into two parts face part falls in Nepal as Pasupatinath ling and the remaining part in Kedar. Pandavas request Siva to establish his Jyotirling there. Siva obliges and Kedareswar Jyotirling happened there.
But for our SIDT it is so easy to get Siva's grace. And the way Yudhishtir establishes the sivling
Just too much.

Thank you for clarifying this.

While watching the episode, I was like,"Yudi established Kedarnath jyotirling?!? 😕

But I knew more distortions were awaiting eagerly so...😆

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amritat

@amritat

Sparkler

Posted: 9 years ago

#459

Agreed. Karna too was a part of the people who were supposedly rotting in hell. But in Siddharth Tewary's world Karna is the 'lord of the heaven'...😆

I always thought watever Yudisthir saw is illusion.

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aanvi

@aanvi98

Voyager

+ 2

Posted: 9 years ago

#460

Uff why they glorified karna so much! All knows he was not so perfect! In fact none was perfect. I would say not dharma raj also. Cuz i think staking ones wife is completedly foolish thing and cant be done by a sensible person and even without consultation of anyone. No kffence here just my thoughts. Everyone have a white and black side but sidt either washed e1 with white ir completely black. Lyk srsly. They r humans not dev or asur!!

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