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Originally posted by: .Vaikartana.

Proud Jerry my not so dear Sauce👏10(lazy me too)Yours is a poem not an OS It flows like a river so divine serene and gentle It touches the hearts of the readers and fills them with an emotion so heavy and yet so endearing I literally cried reading this os and still I cant stop reading this again and again.You are blessed with the art of words.And your take on Karna's wife is my personal favourite.Your words made me fall in love with her Earlier too I loved her but it was because of her being Karna's wife.And your words made me love her for the person she was.She is as captivating and ambiguos as her man is.And I have a feel that this is how she was in reality.I want to thank you for writing on her.And yeah I sooo unwillingly promoted you as my favourite writer after reading this os.

Paavam Sauce, my not so dear Jerry,
That is a kind of reply, not a ranting poetry.
And I expected some bhaavams of pucham,
Which seem to be there, invisibly in your words.
And here falls a poor "thanks" to be kicked,
or shot or stabbed or hanged to death,
for words were afraid to jump, so the little thanks
was pushed down, and broke his little knee.
Be kind, don't kill, let him live a little,
For he himself took the mission of saying,
what a rare and great reader you are!!!!
Thank you a lot for the merry words chosen.😈.😊

Originally posted by: amritat

Wow Jamy...that was one long OS...

However beautiful nonetheless...

Your words are very poetic n flow is extremely lyrical...

I actually wanted to ask y u think Karna's wife was a strong woman wen there is no mention of her...but I am glad that u explained it...Though the points mentioned are too little to judge her...I would really like to believe that Karna's wife was a great woman...Firm...delicate...dignified...

Somewhere I am inclined to like her a lot...

Beautiful read...absolutely lyrical. You are blessed with amazing flow of words...

Keep upthe great work...😊👏

I am glad that I read it before you took it off...And I am even happier that you provided explanations with proper citations on y you think of her in a certain way...That shows a lot of integrity on the part of the author...something which I have been pining to find in Mahabharat scholars...

I hope the 'scholars' take some lesson...

I must say I was sceptical about your reply because you diplomatically call a spade a spade and this OS is more about Karna through his wife's eye. Now I am happy reading your comments.
It is true the very few direct points about this unsung woman is not enough to be certain about what kind of lady she was. To me, there are these points that made me think that way - Karna had a happy and successful family life, he was married to only one woman, her neglected "kiss" from Stree Parva, and lastly but the most importantly the subtle, deep and not-so-easily-visible change in Karna's psychology before and after DS which I think was largely influenced by his wife. I have this weird habit of analysing psychology behind everything I come across. So that is applied here also.😆 When every woman in MBh including Kunti failed to change her husband, this woman alone did with an ease no one else could claim. And Karna certainly is the most hard and stubborn man I came across in MB. One cannot simply convince Karna to do petty things. Even Duryodhana, his bosom buddy had to threaten him with suicide so that he finally got ready for Ghoshayatra. Influencing such a man before who failed forever-manipulative Kunti, charismatic Krishna and the governing Grandsire, needs not an ordinary strength and finesse. And Karna was happy living with such a woman means they both did blend harmoniously into one another. I will be happier if Karna is known as the husband of this forgotten woman than him being called "daan-veer".😆
My conclusion or take on Karna's wife is largely dependant on his behaviours, speeches and what they implied. To me, it appears that this guy says something but he means something else by that. That something else cannot be the outcome of his thoughts and understanding alone. In fact, in MBh it is Karna who speaks in riddles, not Krishna.😆
I admit that Karna's wife "kissing" the face of his dead body influenced me very much. Because only a person with an uncanny strength can do such an act. A normal dead body kept in today's most hygienic mortuary itself will make one feel awkward, even if that is one's most beloved people's and how much loving a person is towards them. I know they speak great words of love but that is nowhere seen in actions. And Karna's body was really frightening when his wife saw it; two days old, left open among hundreds of dead bodies of warriors and other animals of war, laying in all filth and dirt of that battlefield, decaying and rotten.
I think I am moving away from the main thing. What I meant is my intuitions work faster beyond my thoughts and I was saying this is why I felt this woman had such traits. Still I will certainly fail if I try to give a logical explanation to this.
Your reply is very sincere, meaningful and encouraging, neither more nor less. I cannot thank you enough for that, especially for the few last words which are certainly one of the greatest appreciations I have ever got. Yet I express my gratitude for taking time to read and reply.😃

Originally posted by: ---Anu---

Read it just now. This is really an amazing poem cum piece Jamy!👏Very much enthralling, mesmerizing. I had read your previous OS as well long back and that was just as beautiful!❤️

Karna's wife (no, not the book😆I dare not read that book.😆), IMO can rightly be called as an Unsung Heroine of the epic. While stalking MB forum, I had come across many discussions, citations, a section of MJ which describes Karna's love for Vrushali (Its predominantly a Maharashtrian name), etc.

Definitely, reading them in bits and pieces, (which I unfortunately tend to do now-a-days.😭), I couldn't really decide how many wives he had (but I think no one could), so I always assumed he had one wife only. And thankfully, I m not the only one who assume it that way. But still, even if he had more than one, well, we can't really accuse him or anything.😆

Anyway, I for one, always believed that and I still do, he had the most peaceful and blissful marital and familial life out of all the characters of MB. He was blessed in that case and rightly so. That woman, whoever she was, had to be among the best of those times. May be not in the looks, but she definitely was a lovely, calm and wise woman who had the ability to handle this man!😳

My happiness is doubled reading you have already read my OSs.
So you were an official stalker, eh??😉 I know Vrishali is Maharashtrian and it means in Marathi like "the most pure" or something similar. I felt a Marathi name is inappropriate for a character of MB times when people spoke Sanskrit. Rituvati and Urvi are better choices there.
As you rightly pointed out, Karna had the most satisfying family life among all major MB characters. And I feel really glad when someone points that out every time.😃 Karna himself says it many times. This would have been impossible if he had a wife who failed to understand him and support him. To live with a man like Karna - extremely sensitive (not sentimental) but concealing it within - was certainly possible for a woman as strong and delicate as a lotus is. He had gone through a set of agonies that no other major characters of MB went through. But we never see him mourning over them which means he was always supported by his wife.
There are many who think Karna was married to only one woman, not only you and me. The confusion of this number is actually a trick of Sanskrit words. Gandhaari in Stree Parva mentions two wives but the continuing description seems to be of only one woman. The Sanskrit word used there for "two wives" can also mean "one wife". Also when Karna speaks to Bheeshma, he mentions only one wife. It is in Karna-Krishna conversation, more than two wives appear but that again is ambiguous like the two wives mentioned by Gandhaari. That is why I took the number as one.
A big gratitude of happiness for your refreshing and encouraging appreciation - thank you.😃

Absolutely brilliant 👏
I havent read much about the wife of karna. This is the first work I am reading on her in detail. Thanks for making my first impression the best one.
She was bought alive in your words. In each word I could feel her presence around me. I am still with her in her world watching her with her loved one.found my smile in her happiness and tears in her agony.I dont
Know if i could express wat i am feeling properly in words or not. All i can say is This unnamed woman really evoked a curiosity in me to know her more.
This OS not only introduced me to the wife of karna but also karna the husband.i always felt karna unlucky because I had a feeling that everyone loved who knew his identity him but never expressed it in front of him. But if he had such a wife who loved him unconditionally that her love never died even after his body vanishes.her love which is ready to witness both the best and worst of him
Though I enjoyed each and every word this line is my fav.

"Shall there be a dawn you seek me beside yet find me not, shall there be an eve you await but return I not, shall there be days and nights I am no more by your side. Feel never disheartened, for your destiny is more than to live and die. Be brave, be true on your path. Ask never who you give, give all you have, sincerely, wholeheartedly. Let love alone shall guide your heart. And there shall come a day, the day of eternal love and freedom, when all will merge in one and one will merge in all, and you shall know I loved you ever before the Birth was born and will love you ever after the Death dies, and are we one, always, never dissevered, in eternity. Seek me not, my precious Love, Oh Lily of my Garden, I have already found you!"

I would have never explored the karna who could be caught in hiding and who could be a child to his wife without your perfectly well described words.
Thank you for writing this ⭐️ thank you for giving me a chance to explore a new side of a warrior and his unsung beloved herione 😛

barbieindia, I am glad and surprised very much reading that mine is the first work through which you got to know about Karna's wife in detail. It is more than just an appreciation for me.😃 And I am glad even more reading that you really felt her alive through my words. What more else can a writer ask for??? And these are all just my imaginations, wild ones I must say, not any real incidents because in the original epic we never get to read about this woman. She was a person like the way I wrote is just my guesswork.😉 Nothing else. Each word you have used to appreciate my effort made me cheerful much more by the time I completed your comment. I really cannot thank you enough. Still, thank you a lot for such a hearty appreciation.😊

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

I must say I was sceptical about your reply because you diplomatically call a spade a spade and this OS is more about Karna through his wife's eye. Now I am happy reading your comments.
It is true the very few direct points about this unsung woman is not enough to be certain about what kind of lady she was. To me, there are these points that made me think that way - Karna had a happy and successful family life, he was married to only one woman, her neglected "kiss" from Stree Parva, and lastly but the most importantly the subtle, deep and not-so-easily-visible change in Karna's psychology before and after DS which I think was largely influenced by his wife. I have this weird habit of analysing psychology behind everything I come across. So that is applied here also.😆 When every woman in MBh including Kunti failed to change her husband, this woman alone did with an ease no one else could claim. And Karna certainly is the most hard and stubborn man I came across in MB. One cannot simply convince Karna to do petty things. Even Duryodhana, his bosom buddy had to threaten him with suicide so that he finally got ready for Ghoshayatra. Influencing such a man before who failed forever-manipulative Kunti, charismatic Krishna and the governing Grandsire, needs not an ordinary strength and finesse. And Karna was happy living with such a woman means they both did blend harmoniously into one another. I will be happier if Karna is known as the husband of this forgotten woman than him being called "daan-veer".😆
My conclusion or take on Karna's wife is largely dependant on his behaviours, speeches and what they implied. To me, it appears that this guy says something but he means something else by that. That something else cannot be the outcome of his thoughts and understanding alone. In fact, in MBh it is Karna who speaks in riddles, not Krishna.😆
I admit that Karna's wife "kissing" the face of his dead body influenced me very much. Because only a person with an uncanny strength can do such an act. A normal dead body kept in today's most hygienic mortuary itself will make one feel awkward, even if that is one's most beloved people's and how much loving a person is towards them. I know they speak great words of love but that is nowhere seen in actions. And Karna's body was really frightening when his wife saw it; two days old, left open among hundreds of dead bodies of warriors and other animals of war, laying in all filth and dirt of that battlefield, decaying and rotten.
I think I am moving away from the main thing. What I meant is my intuitions work faster beyond my thoughts and I was saying this is why I felt this woman had such traits. Still I will certainly fail if I try to give a logical explanation to this.
Your reply is very sincere, meaningful and encouraging, neither more nor less. I cannot thank you enough for that, especially for the few last words which are certainly one of the greatest appreciations I have ever got. Yet I express my gratitude for taking time to read and reply.😃

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

Sanziii...🤗
Which words you read again? Emulator ? Copycat? Parrot?😆 Beautiful creatures are they. And chrtavanis are supposed to be in red but I forgot to colour them. Ageing problems.😆

Originally posted by: ramya06

RES 😛

Unres
My gosh! Where am i ? Which is this unknown place i find myself in?
I am literally lost at present. Lost in the magic you weaved with these words of yours. This was enthralling,enchanting and simply capitivating. Where do you bring all those words from? And they just flow so poetically and effortlessly. I would have taken an year to pour that all out, perhaps only more! My dear, what are you doing on IF? With an OS like that you can probably be a best selling author! This is your first os i am reading and you have already made me your fan! You made me speechless. You made me fall in love with the character of karna's wife. ❤️ Every emotion of hers was potrayed flawlessly.You made me admire karna ,a character i was always neutral and to be honest, a bit apprehensive about. Truly magical and out of the world for me! 👏

BTW, i am Ramya. May i know your name please?I was not on mb forum so you may not be knowing me. I think we talked once in episode discussion thread, isn't it? I only recently joined here and wrote some pieces too.
Now coming to karna's wife. Vyasa never mentioned her name but indirectly she was mentioned in stree parva and also during the funeral of the warriors after mahabharat. Some scholars say karna had only one wife while others mention 3. But i have a doubt the proper name of karna's first wife. The correct pronounciation is vrushali or vrishali? I am not very well versed in sanskrit, just have some basic knowledge so curious to know . 😳

Originally posted by: amritat

bold - I'll take as a compliment😆although I am not sure if it is one...🤣

Coming to Karna...I had always believed that Karna's change took place after he came to know of the truth of his lineage...He had been married to his wife for a long time...

Probably even before the Pandavas werr married to Draupadi...so...I find it slightly hard to believe that she brought about that sudden change in Karna only in those thirteen years...although she was married to Karna for over thirty years by then(the timing is my assumption). But at the same...we do people changing with age...

So yeah...it could be age, Karna's own realizations as well his wife...all these culminated n made Karna a better man...which we see in his conversation with Lord Krishna. That is my opinion.

But I agree about your kiss part...Karna was probably beheaded n his body was no longer a body wen the war ended...Kissing her husband in such a devastating moment shows a lot of strength as well as love...

I too believed that Karna had the happiest marital life...which is y I feel that his 'tragic' angle is extremely exaggerated in most renditions...please dont mind...this is just my opinion.

Karna had some inner struggles which was a result of some social norms as well his abandonment...

But at the end of the day...he had a peaceful environment to go back to...

He had wonderful parents...a great wife...and from wat I see...if one has happiness at home, then half the battle is won. Facing the harsh world is much easier wen we have support from our loved ones...

In this regard...Karna was quite lucky...unlike some other characters in the epic😭whose own life-partners gave them the biggest shame n insult...n even a permanent stigma.

Finally...I am glad to see your honesty n the fact that you explained with citations y you have written about her in a certain manner. That is something that I really need to learn...😊

That is certainly a complement.
The change I mentioned to have happened in Karna after DS has nothing to do with the main storyline. What happened in DS itself also has no influence on it. DS here is only used as the marker of time around which this change might have happened. It is more more like Karna's inner journey, which I think was not possible without the support of his wife. One reason why I love Karna so much is this. It is unique to him alone in Mahabharata, but just like the "kiss" of his wife. You ask me a direct citation, I cannot give. It can only be assumed from the background in which certain events happened and how Karna responded to them. Whatever, that is totally unrelated to the progress of main story.
In my understanding, Karna was crowned as Anga king mostly when he was 25, probably got married in next year, and he died when he was 51-52. This much I am certain. It is too lengthy to type here why is it so. I believed once that the change of Karna towards both P-K happened only after his true lineage was revealed by Krishna. But it is not so. The main thing is we never see Karna talking to anyone else in the epic than Dury and co till Krishna comes. Those interactions constitute hardly 20 days of the 25 years of his life after he entered Rangabhoomi. (To me he never met Ps & Ks before as I am certain that he was nowhere Drona's student) Then it is impossible to assess his thoughts till his meeting with Krishna which happened hardly an year before he died. Karna's take on others probably must have been formed through a certain period and remained the same also but not evident to us till Krishna comes for the simple reason that we never get to see him with another person than Dury & co till then. I will NEVER say he had some soft-spot for Ps.😆 It will be the last thing I shall say about him. Karna disliked Pandavas but he also never wanted to create problems in their lives unnecessarily like Dury did because that was against his own understanding of behaving properly, I think. A lot events can be quoted in precise order here to prove this but it will make this comment very very lengthy. (Most importantly, I am lazy now😆) It is certainly this way for me (as it does not affect the story in any way), and Karna's wife surely had influenced him there, at least indirectly. It cannot be otherwise. Karna might have developed soft-spots for Ps after knowing the truth. But till then, though disliked Ps, he chose to do nothing to them. Just because he disliked them, I cannot say he was a wrong guy till knowing the truth. I accept that he spoke a lot before everyone that he would do this or he would do that, but he really did nothing because his actions speak louder than his words. Those talks instead were only to support Dury who was always criticised by Dro-Bhee-Vi. Becoming protective about our dear friends is something we all do. Except Karna supporting Dury's idea of not returning IP to Pandavas and laughing in DS, I don't see him doing anything wrong. (And I expect twists there, from my previous experiences of reading about him) Still, he cannot be criticised for supporting Dury beyond a limit as he was nobody to jump between a family fight. He was just an outsider there (as his identity was unknown). Out of the 52 years Karna spent on earth, Mahabharata has not recorded more than 6 months of his life and nearly 3 months out of that 6 is his Dig vijaya campaign alone. What about the 51 years and 6 months???😆 This is why we have our own liberty to believe what we want when it comes to Karna. And each person can believe his own, but also must equally be fully aware that a belief cannot be the truth always. Just my thought. I am not sure if this is 100% true. As of now, I have not found anything that disproves this. May be in future as my understanding grows and matures further...😊
It is my personal but an impossible wish that everyone remember others for the good things in their lives because there is no one who never made a mistake.😆 To err is human, and to understand that error is divine. I don't know when will people learn that. May be whole mankind has to be changed for that.😆
These days I am more inclined to Karna's wife than him.😆 And I really cannot express in words my joy of being complimented for my sincerity of writing. It means really a lot. Thanks a million for the appreciation.😊

Originally posted by: -Fleurdelice-

Ageing problem who is ageing?... you?😛

yes actually I read that warning three times😆BTW u missed bhuts and pisach😛so what if they copy?😉

anyways unresed my commenthere

Have a nice day🤗 Happy new year🤗

Of course me, I am ageing day by day. Within a few months, I will be 28. This is the perfect timing for dementia to begin.😉 And I know how much you laauuu warnings, much more than Vada loved Kunti. I missed Bhoots & Pishachs because StarDrau has taken them through quotation. She is one dangerous woman who is the maleen ho jaaungi of forest fire. I am not samandar ka salt water. I don't wanna mess up with her.😆

Originally posted by: -Fleurdelice-

JAMY YOU ARE SUCH A BIG LIAR😡A DOCTOR SHOULDN'T LIE😡WHAT EFFECT WOULD IT HAVE ON A JUNIOR POPULATION OF THE NATION😡Though I dnt think nyone needs inspiration for lying though!🤔... chalo back to the point>>> You said this is an OS WTH man how dare you lie? it's a poemI had made up my mind ki abhi I will read half and half later but nothing as such happened the moment I stopped reading it was...mountains slowly merges into the starry dark sky, far behind her.😳It's so so so so beautifully writtenIt leaves you in trance, make you smitten by it's rhythm... its beautiful👏Your version of Karna's wife, she is captivating and a strong woman just like her hubby! Just like you lazy to write so I stop here😛...Thanks for writing it🤗

Doctors are supposed to lie. Otherwise how can we survive among people like you?😉 I never knew you had considered Junior Population of India to be such fools and idiots!!!😲.😆 Telling lies need expiration and perspiration at times, but no inspiration at all. Lying is as natural as breathing is.🤣
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If that is how you replies when lazy, I was figuring out what if you were not lazy!!! 2 plus 2 becomes 6 or 8 then. You know intelligence does not come with age and that is not a lie.😈 So your comments are always among the ones I count on. Short and neat, a comment so sweet. I am feeling joyful for making you like my version of Karna's wife...😊 Calling this a poem alone is the highest honour for my effort...Thanks a lot Sanzi...
Have a great day dear...😃
Happy new year.🤗