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Originally posted by: AnuMP

1) She saved the Pandavas in DS. Fact. This was acknowledged by Karna, then by Dury through Uluka in Udyoga Parva. Fact.

Without that rescue, NO JAYA.

2) FACT. G and Dhrisht actually wanted to go to war after Arjun consoled G and then Panchali spoke up. He wasn't consoling hwr. He said DDK will be killed and wanted immediate war. Yudhi wa a the one who said no.

3) FACT. Panchali wasnt venting frustration . She clearly states that she wants Yudhi to act. That is the first time that Bheem is ready to act (even though he speaks up in DS, he actually says Yudhi had the right to do what he did). Till Vyasa came and asked them prepare for war.

4) FACT When Keechak hassled her, she vented frustration. She had Bheem kill Keechak. No turn in events?

5) FACT. G's intentions are ambiguous even to Arjun. But when he speaks to Panchali, he clearly says Kauravas will be killed. How is that consoling?

Originally posted by: AnuMP

Also remember VERBAL EXERCISES😆

Where does it say Yudhi instructed her on what to argue and how to get them out.

If that part is not a verbal exercise to minimize Panchali' s role as the HERO, I don't know what is.😆

What he instructed her to do was patently diagusting.

He told her to come there barely clad🤢

Her arguments were hers, the decisions on which boons to ask where hers.

Yudhi did not have brains enough to instruct anyone. He was the same dude who lost the empire yet agian, after she regained it!

He did have a native cunning. Not the same as brains.

Panchali was both boat and driver. If Kauravas, Karna and the poet Vyasa could acknowledge it, I am curious as to the reasons why you will not acknowledge it.

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

@Amrita

Here it

Kunti coming to know about Karna through her spies

And duly reared by her, that child endued with great prowess began to grow up. And after Karna's adoption, Adhiratha had other sons begotten by himself. And seeing the child furnished with bright mail and golden ear-rings, the twice-born ones named him Vasusena. And thus did that child endued with great splendour and immeasurable prowess became the son of the charioteer, and came to be known as Vasusena and Vrisha. And Pritha learnt through spies that her own son clad in celestial mail was growing up amongst the Angas as the eldest son of a charioteer (Adhiratha). And seeing that in process of time his son had grown up, Adhiratha sent him to the city named after the elephant

Regarding the funeral

Not only Karna but funeral of all warriors who died took place after the war ended.In a bulk all together

Vaishampayana continued, "Thus addressed, Kunti's son Yudhishthira of great wisdom commanded Sudharma (the priest of the Kauravas) and Dhaumya, and Sanjaya of the suta order, and Vidura of great wisdom, and Yuyutsu of Kuru's race, and all his servants headed by Indrasena, and all the other sutas that were with him, saying, Cause the funeral rites of the slain, numbering by thousands, to be duly performed, so that nobody may perish for want of persons to take care of them!' At this command of king Yudhishthira the just, Vidura and Sanjaya and Sudharma and Dhaumya and Indrasena and others, procuring sandal, aloe and other kinds of wood used on such occasions, as also clarified butter and oil and perfumes and costly silken robes and other kinds of cloth, and large heaps of dry wood, and broken cars and diverse kinds of weapons, caused funeral pyres to be duly made and lighted and then without haste burnt, with due rites the slain kings in proper order. They properly burned upon those fires that blazed forth with libations of clarified butter in torrents over them, the bodies of Duryodhana and his hundred brothers, of Shalya, and king Bhurishrava; of king Jayadratha and Abhimanyu, O Bharata; of Duhshasana's son and Lakshmana and king Dhrishtaketu; of Vrihanta and Somadatta and the hundreds of Srinjayas; of king Kshemadhanva and Virata and Drupada; of Shikhandi the prince of Pancalas, and Dhrishtadyumna of Prishata's race; of the valiant Yudhamanyu and Uttamauja; of the ruler of the Kosalas, the sons of Draupadi, and Shakuni the son of Subala; of Acala and Vrishaka, and king Bhagadatta; of Karna and his son of great wrath; of those great bowmen, the Kekaya princes, and those mighty car-warriors, the Trigartas; of Ghatotkaca the prince of rakshasas, and the brother of Vaka, of Alambusha, the foremost of rakshasas, and king Jalasandha; and of hundreds and thousands of other kings. The pitri-medha rites in honour of some of the illustrious dead were performed there, while some sang Samas, and some uttered lamentations for the dead. With the loud noise of Samas and Riks, and the lamentations of the women, all creatures became stupefied that night. The funeral fires, smokeless and blazing brightly (amid the surrounding darkness), looked like luminous planets in the firmament enveloped by clouds. Those among the dead that had come from diverse realms and were utterly friendless were piled together in thousands of heaps and, at the command of Yudhishthira, were caused to be burnt by Vidura through a large number of persons acting coolly and influenced by good-will and affection, on pyres made of dry wood. Having caused their last rites to be performed, the Kuru king Yudhishthira, placing Dhritarashtra at his head, proceeded towards the river Ganga."

Originally posted by: AnuMP

Ok. Lunch break time.

Panchali was an ordinary woman?

Let's compare shall we?

Karna, yes he was given up by his mother. Had a happy childhood and family life. The only tragedy was that because his caste was not known he didn't the ultimate astra. He had a kingdom, was friends with kings. His bio Mom destroyed his peace of mind.

His loyalty to Dury was commendable but then Dury did nothing to betray it, did he?

Daan veer business. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't he start that as penance to defeat Arjun?

In addition to this he aided and abetted Dury in his schemes to kill his cousins.

He instigated a.brutal assault and NEAR RAPE on a woman.

During the war, he promises to give his WIVES AND CHILDREN to anyone who helps him locate Arjun🤢

Panchali- since I don't believe she popped out of fire, she too was plucked from her home.

Married to 5.

Sent to a wilderness which she had a great part in building into an empire.

Ran the economy of the empire which ran from east to west (current politicians can learn from her)

Lost said empire due to incompetent and irresponsible husband

Assaulted and nearly raped

Gained it back

Rescued hubbies

Showed extreme diplomacy in DS where she clearly says she will not cast blame on U though she during her convo with Bheem in Matsya does just that.

Exiled

War and lost her children

Still forgave Ashwatthama

Through it all, in spite of being let down time and again, she remained faithful to husbands, some of whom at best can be described as waste of space.

How can people who see greatness in Karna's loyalty which was returned in full measure refuse to see Panchali's loyalty which stayed to the end in spite of it being completely undeserved.

How can people who see greatness in Karna's daan, not see Panchali's greatness when she says not a word during the entire peace process and only speaks up when even the 5 villages proposal is rejected?

And the disheartening thing is that it is mostly women! Someday someone should do a psychological study on why women of today will profess admiration for a man who did many wrong thing in addition to some good things, but will ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to acknowledge a woman's greatness.That says more about the said women and their small mindedness than about Panchali.

Since people felt free to call Panchali ordinary, I shall feel free to state this.

If we consider his part in DS an interpolation, Karna is a side character in MB till the war. His part in MB changed absolutely nothing. Without him, the war would have ended 3 days sooner, that's it. No one important would have been spared by his absence.

His character may have popularity and sympathy, but he remains a side character.

He was an ordinary man who never thought beyond his own personal wants