Sam being guilt tripped. - Page 2

Just for s8 part...
I guess writers just tried to give a closure to s8 theory or the whole "sam hit a dog "thing...dean as well as audience was kinda given a closure about the whole storyline coz its still considered the worst thing he did so yeah it was like assuring audience i guess about dean,not angry with sam,n sam did mouthed his feeling...
The issue needed to be solved so they did it this way...regarding luci saying it to manipulate sam...i guess it will help him coming in terms with that amelia storyline
...like atleast sam knows now that dean has forgiven him and he dont need to see that s8 doings as a burden on his heart???

Regarding s9...sam said words in hurry but he did knew sumwhere he went over the board...though he realised it later but it was too late i guess...i understand his anger on dean..i understand his need to yell at dean or even break a few bones but still i think the i wont save u if u r dying stuff was huge...atleast acc to dean pov...so,the whole stuff did take a toll on dean n at end sam felt guilt coz he blved he let down,his bro...which was a bit true to thw season..besides they were hostile for most of the season with each other...

Regarding s10...like i said..he blved to let down dean n he wanted to be what dean had been to him...so all in all his guilt pushed him further to take matters in his hands and woah...he did made some drastic decisions n boom darkness ia here..n he blames himslef...i dont think his accepting his fault makes him any less...it just pushes him to make it correct which is a good thing...regarding luci telling him again n again what he has done...its all just to manipulate him...to use sam to say yes...
Luci knows how messed up sam is or im general both bros are..he knows where to hit to push them...
Dont remember what charlie said...will get back to it when will watch...
I guess sam povs rnt much shown...in these last two three seasons usi ki bharpayi ho rahi hai is season me...that sam,is opening up to dean..
They never showed sam feeling bad for not searching dean,they never showed any emotion later when sam said the whole s9 controversial lines...s10 was a disaster...so all in all...they did showed him angry in s8/9n then guilt ridden,in s10 ...n noe in s11,he is actually doing theryt thing but then how come they let winchesters om same page...carver ka angst drama n boom...cass says yes,dean never says his feeling to sam...

Also,s9 issue was talked n fought n discussed over in s10 but s8 was a sore spot n they finally put it to rest...

Originally posted by: -De.De-

I completely agree with your points. This is what I am talking about it. Believe me, when I started SPN, I was part of this fandom where they all blame on Sam and I used to think 'oh.. he created another problem for Dean, etc'. But as show proceeded I just couldn't help but start to see things from Sam's POV and that broke my heart. Dean and Sam, both are so broken and both made messes, did things they are not proud of and yes, they have and will always continue to choose each other over rest of the world.

But, still... there has been this thing between them and also Sam+others. No matter what Sam does to make things right, no matter how much sacrifices it's all ends up people remembering his mistake rather than what he lost and how much he tried to make up for all of it. I really had liked Charlie but in that episode... that moment just made me dislike her so much.

@Bold - You are right, I forgot that they never cleared the air with this. I really hope that they would stop digging more graves to make Sam more guilt ridden.

Also...i blv both bros have their hits and misses...ups and down...guilt and redemption...so they r compliacted ppl with many issues and hence ek nahi to dusre ko guilt ya gussa hona jaruri hai...
I love dean but i understand sam too...and love team free will too...atleast i understand where he is coming from in his pov...
Both weechesters r adorable and need hugs...

Originally posted by: .annihilation.

Both, actually. But you should know, she uses sarcasm to express her displeasure. 😆

^^ Sindhu, firstly, take a hug. You need one. 🤗

@sindhu
Beautifully put and agreed...
Writers do create blunders and glad that j2 r protective of their charactetlrs warna to band baj jata abhi tak dean,sam ka as annihilation pointed...

Even Baby got an episode with her POV , so did the ghostfacers ( if I am not wrong). But Sam didn't . Just saying.

Originally posted by: ~*sindhu*~

This gave me khushi ke aansoo 😭 You understand me ...

Its not an opinion. Its more of a fact and sarcasm from my side. Sam really doesn't have any pov in the show and its been like this since forever I guess...

The show is mainly written from Dean's pov despite it being a Sam central story in the begining. Personally I felt it was a good deal covers both the main leads in a unique way. But after 11 seasons eh not so much. Because this whole one sided pov only made Sam look like the bad one or so would some say at every given time ( especially the writers )

Remind me if at any given point of time they wrote about Sam's feelings during Stanford days. But I distinctly remember John checking up on Sam secretly to make sure he is ok and Dean calling him several times. Sam well only Sam knows what he did during that time. Whether he felt better without his family or missed them. Why did he not pick up the call. Did he ever called by himself. Did he ask anyone about his family. nuthn.

I can cover a lot of storylines like this but lets just tick few. You see its way past the midnight. 😆

Dean went to meet his parents through time travel while Sam was practically absent in the epi. Why? Because Dean pov. The end was again a dean epi ...why ? Because Dean pov. Dean gets to share all his feelings with multiple people despite being the one who doesn't share much... why ? Because Dean pov. While Sam always insisting on talking and sharing ends up sharing with none. Sam only shares with Dean and mostly it ends up in misunderstandings why ? Because how will Dean know Sam's pov? We are concentrating on Dean's pov here remember. Has there ever been an epi where Dean was missing throughout the epi and ends up coming in at the end or leaves in the begining? NEVER ...Why ? Because how do u write an epi without the character through whom u write the epi ?

Sam dies and u always see Dean having his monologue and mourning over his absence ... Dean dies and the next season starts with Dean waking up in the grave or Dean coming out of purgatory. Why ? How many times do I need to type the same thing ? Oh I can do a copy paste here... Because Dean pov. Only time there was a difference is season 10 and then one of my friend suggested its not really Dean so u know they had to start with Sam. There goes the progress of life. Truth is every secondary character existing on this show is closer to Dean than Sam. Thats because its written in that manner where Dean gets people to share his thoughts with. Sam rarely ever gets the oppurtunity to express. Except for Ruby and Jody.. Though he barely shared anything with Jody .. But still I gotto count her.

Hell if Jared didn't insists on adding a dialogue at the end of season 9 we would be left with believing that Sam actually meant it when he said he won't try to save Dean if he was dying or dead. Thats how amazing the writers are towards Sam's character.

I wanted to shove Sam's apology down Robbie's throat. Who the f**k told him people are waiting for an apology. Who the f**k told him a main character is only supposed to say sorry and not explain why did he did so. I don't give a damn about the bloody sorry ... I want an explanation. I waited three freaking years and all I get is - I m sorry. Like seriously they brought Sam down to this level where he just turns around and says sorry for letting him down without ever stating why. Sorry was always secondary. It was the biggest change in Sam's character and the writers never gave a justification for it. Hilariously it still stays that Sam hit a dog. To actually now sit and believe that Sam didn't look for Dean because they promised to do so is like drinking acid. It burns my freaking throat.

THIS.

I had a lot of things in my mind , but I am kinda really tiered and blank at the moment😆
I am probably one of the rare ones whose first favorite character of the show was Sam Winchester.
Sam Winchester screws up. I know that. We all have seen that . But he always had the most earnest and good intentions.
Even with the demon blood, he did that cause it was a more effective way of exorcism while keeping the vessels alive.
Even I was annoyed by the whole Amelia thing, cause for me it was very un-Sam for him to not look for his brother.
But then , back then it was just him and him alone. No Dean , No Bobby , No Cas. He had no one to seek .No where particular to seek. But they wont show that, expect for the fact that he hit a dog.
While I understand his guilt , cause its the Winchesters who love to blame themselves , I don't understand the point of bringing it up again and again and again.

Like mentioned before, all the recurring characters from Bobby ,Cas to Charlie , Garth, Kevin, . Even Claire, Krissy, Donna . All of them have been closer to Dean. We have seen Dean having meaningful conversations with pretty much all of them , and Sam , not so much.
Hell even Crowley who used to keep ranting Moose , is now ex besties with Dean .
Another reason I want to see Eileen/Marlene and Scully again, Sammy needs friends.