Trust, Faith and Expectation

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Before coming to the topic, I want to make a point clear. The following words are based on the events portrayed in SKR and not on the epic Ramayan. I don't know whether I was present at the time of Uttarkand or know the fact that the different versions of Ramayan (which I read) have no interpretations of the respective authors.

For some people like me, Ram and Sita were/are god and goddess who took human form and taught us the essence of life by projecting even flaws in their actions. For some, they are human worshipped as god becomes of their good behavior and for the some people, they are god with no flaws which we humans have no wisdom to understand their concept. I accept all these angles as I am not good enough to judge others. With these thoughts, those who feel the content is challengeable can precede reading and the rest can avoid wasting their time. The following words are just my POV with no intention to make it as universal law.

Coming to the topic of concern, "Trust, faith and expectation" all the three seems to address the same aspect but certainly differ in the context of interest. Yesterday's episode (12-10-2016) was a beautiful picturisation of the thought process of a husband and wife rather than a king and queen.

There is no question about the faith of Sita on Ram or vice-versa but the outburst of Sita was due to the failure of her expectations. She expected Ram to express his love towards their kids as soon as she comes in front of him. As her expectation was failed, her trust was shattered but not her faith in Ram. Here comes the beauty of trust vs faith. Trust is based on experience whereas faith is blind belief with no requirement for any proof/evidence. She expected Ram to prove her trust in him by expressing his love towards Luv and Kush spontaneously. If she lost the faith in him, she might not complain the same to his idol.

On the other hand, Ram expected that Sita can't be alive w/o him. (Though this angle is completely new to me, I go with the flow of the episode). He was completely shocked to see her in front of him. He was frozen in that moment to know that the two brave kids are non-other than his own children. Sita didn't step forward to directly disclose their identity. Ram's expectation of Sita introducing him to his kids failed miserably. Ram was not told the truth by his true bhakth Hanuman because of his own words. His expectation towards the trustworthy was shaken there again. After reaching the palace, his words to Sita's idol clearly projected his faith on Sita that she will accept his plea and return back with their kids. His trust on people whom he thought will accept his words is going to be questioned again.

Thus, in the episode it was clearly pointed that both Ram and Sita had faith in each other more than the mere trust.

Coming to precap, it shows that the people of Ayodhya demands the proof for the identity of Luv and Kush which means they expect evidence to accept and have trust on Ram and Sita with no faith.

So in general, we raise the questions about our own culture and customs, not to prove the content as wrong but to satisfy our trust on the same with proof. It projects that we lack the faith in the content. Hope we rise to the level of having faith in our culture and tradition rather than mere trust in them.

Note: Open for discussion with no personal attack.😊

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Posted: 8 years ago
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hii Ramya

nice post and valid points .

I don't know how to discuss this type of debates so avoiding it 😉

as show concerned I don't want to see this type scenes which adding more drama which is not required incase of mytho fictions ..

my opinion is respect epic don't interpret the general drama quotient in it ...

whatever way makers show siya & Ram relation .they are epitome of faith .trust .that's wat expectation too ...

respecting your views &
hope I'm not crossed the boundaries 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: vinnas

hii Ramya

nice post and valid points .

I don't know how to discuss this type of debates so avoiding it 😉

as show concerned I don't want to see this type scenes which adding more drama which is not required incase of mytho fictions ..

my opinion is respect epic don't interpret the general drama quotient in it ...

whatever way makers show siya & Ram relation .they are epitome of faith .trust .that's wat expectation too ...

respecting your views &
hope I'm not crossed the boundaries 😆

Hi Chandu.
Thank you.
@bold: I can understand your view. When it comes to fictions, it becomes inevitable to stop including drama due to their trp business. But still this one is comparatively less in OTT drama😆
@blue: Then you can read only my FF😉
@red: Not-at-all dear.
Its kaliyug, observing something good among the bunch of bad itself is a big thing. So the show stands better than the other head aches for me.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Interesting post ramya Di.
U brought out the differences beautifully

So in general, we raise
the questions about our own culture and customs, not to prove the content as
wrong but to satisfy our trust on the same with proof. It projects that we lack
the faith in the content. Hope we rise to the level of having faith in our
culture and tradition rather than mere trust in them.

I completely agree to this point of urs. Questioning is not wrong. But with faith if we question we really might get answers. Classic eg is Uttarkand for which many people criticise ram. The want proper reasons on why ram did what. But if they seek answers that our thinking might be wrong and go deep into it with faith ram is Narayan and his actions must surely have a meaning. They might find answers well I did in this forum 😃
Edited by Cluny123 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Cluny123

Interesting post ramya Di.
U brought out the differences beautifully

So in general, we raise
the questions about our own culture and customs, not to prove the content as
wrong but to satisfy our trust on the same with proof. It projects that we lack
the faith in the content. Hope we rise to the level of having faith in our
culture and tradition rather than mere trust in them.

I completely agree to this point of urs. Questioning is not wrong. But with faith if we question we really might get answers. Classic eg is Uttarkand for which many people criticise ram. The want proper reasons on why ram did what. But if they seek answers that our thinking might be wrong and go deep into it with faith ram is Narayan and his actions must surely have a meaning. They might find answers well I did in this forum 😃

Thank you dear.
Yes, you are right. Unless we ask queries, we will be left behind with no updated knowledge.
As for as I consider, Sita and Ram asking frequent questions was the highlight of the show. There is nothing wrong in learning new things from even younger ones. Hope Luv and Kush brings some untouched points of children brought up by single parent w/o shaking the original basement of the epic.😉
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Ramya beautiful explanation. I just saw this post. Yes faith is important. And you bought out faith beautifully. Without faith we wont even complain. Trust needs proof. Expectation is your assumption. It can go right, go wrong.
Actually you know when Sita comes Ram would have expected her to address him as Raghunandan. But she doesn't. That is one of the reasons he couldn't reciprocate on her expectations. he was dumb founded. Couldn't collect himself for sometime. By the time he recollected she was gone.
Coming to faith and trust. I know you are a student of science and me too being an engineer have studied science enough. In science before we start research I guess we have to do assumption or believe say x=y. Then on analysis you bring out the proof that x=y. But without that firm belief x=y you cannot start analysis or research.
Same is the case with faith. First we need to believe it exists. Then observe the actions and then deduce whether our faith is correct or incorrect. Sometimes one path may not give answers, we have to check alternate perceptions also.
Problem with people is that many don't know to have positive affirmation. It is mostly negative affirmation.
For me in tne beginning of SKR my firm belief was Ram the 7th avatar of Vishnu cannot go wrong. There will be reason for everything he did. He will not do injustice to a woman. And believe me that one assumption has answered quite a lot of my queries regarding Uttarakand through SKR. And I have shared those things in the forum also. So it is about me in the end. Am I satisfied. My answer is yes. As a viewer I am happy watching SKR.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Ramya beautiful explanation. I just saw this post. Yes faith is important. And you bought out faith beautifully. Without faith we wont even complain. Trust needs proof. Expectation is your assumption. It can go right, go wrong.

Actually you know when Sita comes Ram would have expected her to address him as Raghunandan. But she doesn't. That is one of the reasons he couldn't reciprocate on her expectations. he was dumb founded. Couldn't collect himself for sometime. By the time he recollected she was gone.
Coming to faith and trust. I know you are a student of science and me too being an engineer have studied science enough. In science before we start research I guess we have to do assumption or believe say x=y. Then on analysis you bring out the proof that x=y. But without that firm belief x=y you cannot start analysis or research.
Same is the case with faith. First we need to believe it exists. Then observe the actions and then deduce whether our faith is correct or incorrect. Sometimes one path may not give answers, we have to check alternate perceptions also.
Problem with people is that many don't know to have positive affirmation. It is mostly negative affirmation.
For me in tne beginning of SKR my firm belief was Ram the 7th avatar of Vishnu cannot go wrong. There will be reason for everything he did. He will not do injustice to a woman. And believe me that one assumption has answered quite a lot of my queries regarding Uttarakand through SKR. And I have shared those things in the forum also. So it is about me in the end. Am I satisfied. My answer is yes. As a viewer I am happy watching SKR.


Thank you Shruthi.
@bold: Exactly, my thought too.
We make a hypothesis based on assumptions, sometimes with previous result or by an ab initio method. This is what is trust and faith. I loved the episode from that angle.
Yesterday's one was again superb. Though the words of the priest were harsh, we can't ignore the substance in it. This step will again create more mess.
Seriously waiting for the reply of Ram in today's episode. Hope CV's do the justice.😉
As you said, I also feel that my time is spent in good way. It is just not a TV show, but the real understanding lies in discussing the concept in different ways with different group of people.
In addition to the show, I liked to participate in the forum discussion too.😊

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