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Sanjana

@Siya-Ram

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Posted: 8 years ago

#841

@ maya Ram suffered as much. It is no less.
Luv kush will be pained to know their mother is siya and their respect for their mother will increase manifold. Bhoomipravesh I agree they will be gaining a father and family after losing a mother. Rams love and the families can in no way suffice a mothers love. Yet in their crucial years their mother had taught them everything. Ayodha Praja will die day in and day out seeing luv and kush suffer for what they did. Ram as a father it is not highlighted in any version as much hope to see that in Skr. Only time will prove to be the healer. The future kings of raghukul, rajdharm has been etched in them at such a young age. They will grow up to great kings with rational thinking just like their father. Ram did not let Sita sacrifice become a waste neither will luv kush.

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#842

Updated Chapter 96 Seven Vows. Read and comment

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avalonhigh1234

@avalonhigh1234

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Posted: 8 years ago

#843

Sacrifice or selfishness comes with a price. Ram seems to have begun to reach that conclusion. The price he is paying for his immense sacrifice is the lack of knowledge about his child. But he is strong enough to withstand the temptation to not to find out about it from Hanuman and even cautions him not to do anything against his Rajdharam. Hanuman is not only able to understand his lord's yearnings but is resolved to alleviate them. I liked that Sita's misgivings were brought out in the open and dealt excellently by Maharishi Valmiki. It helps her in finding the strength to let her sons go forward. This is something every one of us would have experienced at some point in our lives. We play so many roles in our daily lives every day that we often forget to pay attention to our individual self. Often years pass by before we consciously take a breather to first take a step back from the myriad hues of our lives to get in touch with the basic palette of our inner selves. Valmiki cautions Sita so as to not let her maternal feelings overshadow her individuality.

The other scene which touched a deep chord is the scene when Ram unable to answer the children's queries silently walks out of the sabha and breaks down in private in front of Sita's statue. The last time was a husband's grief and his guilt that follows a King's decision. But today it is the guilt of a husband for a wife and a mother who would have had to face the hardships of raising their child{he does not know yet about them being twins} alone without his support. Also it was a king who realizes the futility of his power and kingdom in being unable to look after his own child. The irony was so poignant.

Sita indeed knows her children. Luv-Kush 's insistence at wanting to meet Sita does indeed lead to some rattling of Ayodhya's hollow traditions. Their questioning at the injustice of Sita's banishment resounds among the walls of Ayodhya. I don't know why but Ram's stoic acceptance of the accusations hurled by the kids and his silent acceptance brought tears to my eyes.

Ram did indeed get his wish about how he wanted his and Sita's children to stand up for their mother against the world and even against him came true today.

I have not had time to go through your analysis Shruthi,so if there are any similarities they are indeed unintentional😉.

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#844

@savitha both the scenes you mentioned were poignant. His private despair and him standing mute to kids accusation.

Isnt that right. If we consider Ram and Sita Jagatpita and Jagatmata even today Ram stands the crucifying of his kids right. Where every time the fingers are raised at him and not at Sita. That was what Ram wanted.

The hypocrisy out in the open. Questioning at a larger scale of the adharma that is meted out to the innocent in the name of tradition. Yes he did it telling that is the tradition. But in doing so he exposed the tradition which was till date pushed under the carpet.

Here is where we have to distinguish between Ram the God and Ram the human. If we consider Ram God the worship aspect clouds the real intent and this is where we are unable to convince others on the greatness of Ram because God cannot be wrong as per every religion.

But if you consider him human that avatar of Vishnu who came on earth to give us a path you will better understand him. Because whatever he did was something a human could do. He didn't do anything in Ramayana as God. Everything he did was as a human observing the laws of the land. Only thing he followed the laws to the dictum. A land where laws where subverted to suit certain sections his following the laws exposed certain hypocrisies which otherwise wouldn't have been possible. And that expose led to the change.

For change to happen we have to accept the hypocrisy, the stark one. With his and his spouse's personal sacrifice they made it possible. It wouldn't have been possible without the love they had for each other.

I saw a comment what did Sita get other than pain for the love she had for Ram. Is the first vanvass a real pain. She was with her husband. How many woman can revel themselves that a man came for them crossing an ocean and waged a war. Not even Panchali. Krishna had to drag a reluctant Arjuna to the warfront with Gita. But yes Panchali's fate is much better than other woman, as finally she was avenged. But Sita she should be proud. And last but not least. How many husbands will allow themselves to be questioned for their spouse's sake.She was the luckiest to get that where he allowed her to call the shots. And love is never a bed of roses it has thorns as well. Anyone who has married will know this. The trials that happens. Does that stop you from loving your spouse. As long as trust is there you will chug along taking the trials and tribulations.

Current case is Juvenile Justice Bill. When the juvenile was getting released people did so many things. The judge told one thing. He knows the personal pain but as per the law he has to let go of the juvenile of Nirbhaya Gang rape. Ram did the same. As per the law of the land at that time he banished Sita knowing it is wrong.

We got Juvenile justice law amended. Most probably with Sita's bhoomipravesh laws of Ayodhya will become gender neutral so that the other woman doesn't suffer her fate.

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#845

What a screenplay SKR CVs. I cried and I am still crying. Yes I had expected it. But the callous way in which the rishi told according to sastras a king can re marry, I was like. How did books like manusmriti wrote things that makes a woman dependant and dispensable. Subvert all the nature's laws to give a man undue advantage.

CVs have really carved out the path of reverance of Ram. A husband who gave vachan to his wife that he will have only one wife in his lifetime. Posting analysis soon

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#846

3/10/2016

So finally the praja realized. They realized what they did was wrong. Raising the question on Sita's chastity was their mistake. Now everyone Kausalya, Lakshman and the entire Ayodhya wants Sita back as the queen.

I loved what Ram told. He knows Sita will never come back to the palace once again. Why. Ram the husband knows Sita's need for self respect. What Ayodhya had questioned was her self respect. She was outcast unceremoniously from the palace. If they come back today, tomorrow they will have another question. Then again according to rule of Ayodhya she will have to keep on giving tests to prove her self respect. Why should Bhoomija give such tests. Because if she keeps on giving tests then every other woman will be forced to keep on giving tests. So Bhoomija will go for sure Ram knows.

Now Sita. Sita is perturbed because her sons hate Ram. They clearly tell her they will believe what they saw. Whatever be the intention Ram banishing his wife is wrong and they will never accept him king. Now Sita is faced with hard question. If they cant accept Ram as king how will they accept him as father. If they don't accept him as father how will her duty be complete. And how can she go.

Here we need to see how beautifully the screenplay has shown both Ram and Sita are incomplete without each other. On Friday episode we saw Ram crying how will he explain to kids why he did what he did.How will the blemish on his forehead will go. There is no way and Sitae please help. Today Sita cries how will she make her kids accept Ram. How will she tell them what Ram is. She cannot take any more tests. She has taken enough. We see the desperation of both Ram and Sita two individuals who are literally tired after taking all the trials for the sake of this world. For the betterment of next generation.

And where does the solution comes in. Valmiki says whatever that is happening in Ayodhya will offer the solution to the problem. And in Ayodhya what do we see. Some callous Rishis coming and telling Ram not having wife is not a problem. He can marry another woman and make her his wife. Shastras allow that. A prerogative that the shastras written by man gives to man. A right, a gender superior law which allows a man to marry multiple times but not allow a woman to marry if she becomes a widow or her husband leaves her.

So Sanskriti allows superiority to a man. What does Ram do. He chooses Prakriti. He chooses Bhoomija. By rejecting the callous Sanskriti and by doing the Aswamedha keeping his wife's murthy he shows a man has emotions. Just because some men want to take advantage of their superiority not to put every man in that bracket. He is different and with his power he shows the difference. He maintains the vachan he gave to Sita discarding Sanskriti and it is that golden murti and his vachan palan towards his wife that finally removes the blemish on Ram, which might help Sita convince her sons.

Story starts with a woman crying in front of a murti of a baby girl. Because she was discarded for a son. And the son who was born discarding the Prakriti, finally discards the Sanskriti that caused his birth. From the room, Prakriti comes to Rajsabha.

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maya_sm

@maya_sm

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Posted: 8 years ago

#847

Beautiful Analysis 👏 👏 today's episode was very touching. But now I also have same question in mind tjat today we saw Luv Kush telling Sita that their heart is not resdy to accept Ram as king of Ayodhya. But when Luv Kush will come to know that their own banished mother is Sita only and she was banished by their own father Ram along with them qhen they were in their mother's womb, how.will.they accept Ram as father if they cannot accept him as king ?

Lkke Sita said to Valmiki that if Luv kush come to know that she is Sita the banished woman from Ayodhya they will never accept Ram as father and will hate him more than they do now.

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Sanjana

@Siya-Ram

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Posted: 8 years ago

#848

@maya somehow they will understand Hari maya. All out effort will be made to make them understand. Let's see how Skr carries it forward.
They have to understand raja ram and they will as the aswamedh yag progresses and the whole of ayodha is defeated by them. When justice is delivered they might understand their father.
Btw hi am Sanjana 😃
Well about the episode
To err is human to forgive is indeed divine.
Rams dialogue to dhobi was impeccable. At times we hold hatred knowing the truth. Here ram knows dhobi is not the only cause for his sorrow. It is collectively the praja.
Ram holding the sindoor tells that he is her shadow. Sita follows ram as a shadow for vanvaas.
Prakriti is something we are going away from. When it comes to prakriti it becomes me, my family. We see siya ram sacrificing for the future generation. But by abusing prakriti by using it excessively are not thinking about the future. Ram reveals the purity of prakriti. In today's world respecting prakriti is something where everyone of us are going wrong.
It's just my pov some people say they love taking a long drive simply for the sake of it. Such things can be avoided

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Sanjana

@Siya-Ram

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Posted: 8 years ago

#849

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</div><div>Current case is Juvenile Justice Bill. When the juvenile was getting released people did so many things. The judge told one thing. He knows the personal pain but as per the law he has to let go of the juvenile of Nirbhaya Gang rape. Ram did the same. As per the law of the land at that time he banished Sita knowing it is wrong.

We got Juvenile justice law amended. Most probably with Sita's bhoomipravesh laws of Ayodhya will become gender neutral so that the other woman doesn't suffer her fate.

In current scenario u brought it out. Di am just in awe of how u connect things. Truly an inspiration Di. Really Di u are lighting up lives like mine. My quest for knowledge and my zest for life increases by ur posts truly
Respect 👏.
At first when u used to say ram did not do anything that humans can't do I didn't really agree on that. But I realize now u were true all along. Understanding ram is truly understanding human potential

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