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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: daydreamers



fouzia you took my words very differently...😆

for me to understand ppl its not needed to know the personal experiences at all.

what governs understanding are thoughts. and how one expresses thots on IF? Thru character analysis, through scene analysis. isn't it? and the thoughts on the characters give a sneak peek into the minds of the writer. like what makes his/her brain tick...

shruthi, charvi, savitha,srutha,geena,supriya,jaya and everyone here share a part of their mind here.

if u share your personal experiences here, we will know u.

but if u share your thoughts on the show, we understand u.

so technically we don't know each other but we feel and understand each other...

its like ram and janaka...

as a kid ram heard stories about janaka from vashishtha and he knew janaka.

but when he meets janaka and the latter shares his thoughts he starts understanding him.

coming to being private and introvert... am an extreme in this case😆

i guess not even ppl around me know and understand me so well the way you all do...

i started sharing my life here once i felt assured that i won't be ditched...

as charvi says ganga is action... if u meet me in real, u'll always find me doing one or the other thing in a very absurd way... i have my own reasons but i'll never disclose it. only one or two ppl understand that... and those who have the intuitive connection with me will understand me... if u meet my classmates or college mates maximum of them will tell u am egoistic and arrogant... and tell this to those who know me, they'll laugh on your face😆. i am a paradox in myself. quiet at times and forcing at others.. again with knowledge and reasons... just like charvi says..

cmn to sharing my life here, i don't but i felt like.. maybe my mistakes shall be a lesson to others. fortunately haven't had any bitter experiences here yet...😆and one thing you must know i never take shit from anybody...😆even if bashers arrive i'll make them nau do gyaarah from here...😆

i'll tell you about yday.. i do have a habit of connecting with ppl of IF on different sites as fb or twitter.

and yday was like a shocking surprise for me...

one friend whom i met on IF and connected on fb. well we didnt knew each other but juz a formality... and we hadnt followed the show much so were not in touch for long time..

yday she msgd me on fb juz like that... and formally i went on what's going on wagara wagara... she told that her life had become a mess. she didn't open up much but one clue was enough for me... and it related to my experience so well. i narrated her my story juz to make her comfy. i did what i cud in the hope that my talks shall help her...

i don't know how much i justify myself with my experiences but one thing i got to know was that i can be a good counselor...

and this thread as per me is very safe. maybe my intuitiveness helped me to figure out that and open the book of my life..

so in a nutshell i want to say that life experiences are not a compulsion to share. what matters are the thots. the thots about scenes, characters is enough to give away the thought process of a person and that makes us understand them.

and this is what has worked out for me... everyone's thots made me believe that we are similar in many ways. and i ges that confidence made me share my life here. and my confidence made some of them join me in this journey.

again if i share my life, it is not compulsory that you too share your life... after all its skr and thoughts on the show are more important than personal experiences...😃


I have just one thing to say
Tera mughse hai pehle Ka nata koi 😆
Experiences , they become the part of the self , the individual and that's why I never judge , never
I just analyze , just observe that's my power .
Everyone have their own reasons , I look for reasons , I feel so happy when people come to me and say thanku for the simple advice I gave .
OK , I can look into eyes and tell who the person is and what is he thinking ...I know believe karna mushkil hai but now this power has grown .
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Posted: 9 years ago
Oh god jahnvi di , beautiful parallels drawn seriously .
And lovely posts everyone ... All of them are enlightening .
Now of u see Prakriti shall not destroy , she will protect , even when she has the power to do so.
Sita threw an arrow to save the kid , it didnt kill the bird .
Prakriti is the healer and the protecter , that's why she drapes her shield around everybody , she doesn't judge .
But definitely she has the power to destroy , and she does when the atrocities rise , she is the greatest leveller .

Coming to sita- urmilla equation .
Urmilla followed sita on her way to tyag , since she is herself water .
Whenever something happens to the earth ,water will come to rescue her , to protect her .
Now urmilla is not directly there but she has taken lakshmans sleep so that ssita is protected and no one can harm her .
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: deejagi

@ DD, I am not saying what Kaikeyi did was right or bharath's stand to disown her would have changed after hearing her out. But he presume things even before hearing it out. Even in case of his marriage, he presumed Mandavi was not happy with the announcement and went to Ram and said it and also when he talked to her also, he didn't wait for her to say a word, he said, he will take the blame and will tell his father to stall their marriage. So he always makes the decision in haste.


@bold... her expressions were enough to give it away jaya... she wasn't happy with the proposal and this was true not an assumption on anyone's part...

mandvi herself took time to understand her feelings... she was already unhappy and angry.. bharat's stand adds to the confusion of her own feelings... she took time so he took time.. but once kirti came, he asked one thing, if mandvi was happy or not... so he didn't presume that she took the decision out of her will. he cleared the air then and there...

i wouldn't say it was a presumption on his part...

what i would term it as is "abhaas".

i loved one dialogue he had said to kaikeyi... for ram..

"vishwas kisi tark ya pramaan par aashrit ho, aavashyak toh nahi?hai kya?"

and this same dialogue was repeated by sita in the temple...

what this man has is "intuition" and intuition knows no logic... its the facet of emotions... and that is what governs bharat...

we do differ on this.. but am loving the discussion... 😃 i hope am not offending you in any way...😊
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: radianteyes.


I have just one thing to say
Tera mughse hai pehle Ka nata koi 😆
Experiences , they become the part of the self , the individual and that's why I never judge , never
I just analyze , just observe that's my power .
Everyone have their own reasons , I look for reasons , I feel so happy when people come to me and say thanku for the simple advice I gave .
OK , I can look into eyes and tell who the person is and what is he thinking ...I know believe karna mushkil hai but now this power has grown .


tera mujhse hai pehle ka naata koi
yun hi nahi dil lubhaata koi
jaane tu ya jaane na
maane tu ya maane na..

we are so so same charvi baccha...😆

koi believe kare na kare i can feel you...😃

we need to grab a coffee asap...😛
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: deejagi

Sorry to interrupt and no hard feelings. I am not sue whether I may be right or wrong but all I can say is this:

The question here is not a superficial word Izzat connected to once celibacy. That was said like that to keep the people in their control. Guys those are the days (off course even today) where people gave at most importance to the institution of marriage and one man, one woman concept ( sorry, I am not talking about Bigamy). And the celibacy was practiced till such time the girl and boy were married and become husband and wife. Guys whether the lady initiate or the man, the stigma was attached to lady as she is the carrier and on many occasions, used to get pregnant and had to bear the brunt of the family and society. Whether the cloth falls on the thorn or thorn falls on the cloth, the cloth is the loser as it will be torn and not the thorn. If I have to say in blunt language, in those days "after pills" were not available for a lady to get rid of the chances of getting pregnant, so to keep her safe, the elders would have used the word izzat and that is followed even now.
By calling izzat, that generation saved themselves from the unwanted pregnancy, some disease caused because of having ..x with multiple people.


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this is one of the most balanced, rational and a decent explanation i have come across till date...
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@DD have you left something for me. Every single point covered including sanskriti -prakriti. Yes Ram has to pay for the mistakes of each and every one. The people he love, the people he trust put him in trouble one way or the other.

And I feel that is why Hanuman is called Ram's greatest sevak. Because he understood Ram in a way no one else understood. Eagerly waiting for Ram-Hanuman

Yes I want to highlight one point. Why do good people suffer. Always the question comes. Answer is sanskriti over prakriti. Many times the so called good people break Prakriti's laws to uphold sanskriti. and prakriti's law is supreme. Even if you break it without knowing you have to pay for it. Impact may be reduced, but payment is sure.
And when applying Prakriti's law without understanding sanskriti can land you in soup. So apply Prakriti's law in line with sanskriti .

That's why we have to know one thing. Learn to defend than attack. If you defend using Prakriti's laws, sanskriti will have to bow down. Will come to it in detail later. MB shows it in beautiful way


i forgot to put... but yes watching the episode i thot of MB... But u'll do more justice to it shruthi... waiting for your post...😃
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Posted: 9 years ago
True.. Shatrughun did give a balanced verdict.. The punishment, though given to an innocent girl (once again how do we even know she was actually innocent?) was enough to satisfy the other party n to prove as a deterrent to others
But i don't think Bharat is an emotional fool. He may be emotional but his justice too would have considered the bigger picture. The thing is I don't really know what Bharat or ram would have done (if this was a fresh case in front of ram that is )

So I am STILL wondering About a couple of things

1. Did shatrughun actually take a wrong decision?
2. What Bharat or ram would have actually done?
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: daydreamers


i forgot to put... but yes watching the episode i thot of MB... But u'll do more justice to it shruthi... waiting for your post...😃


Yeah shruthi even I m waiting to see ur post.. I know it would be in depth
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: sshirley

True.. Shatrughun did give a balanced verdict.. The punishment, though given to an innocent girl (once again how do we even know she was actually innocent?) was enough to satisfy the other party n to prove as a deterrent to others

But i don't think Bharat is an emotional fool. He may be emotional but his justice too would have considered the bigger picture. The thing is I don't really know what Bharat or ram would have done (if this was a fresh case in front of ram that is )

So I am STILL wondering About a couple of things

1. Did shatrughun actually take a wrong decision?
2. What Bharat or ram would have actually done?


Same thing went in my head , was shatrugan wrong ? He being bound to parampara and rajdharma ...
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: sshirley

True.. Shatrughun did give a balanced verdict.. The punishment, though given to an innocent girl (once again how do we even know she was actually innocent?) was enough to satisfy the other party n to prove as a deterrent to others

But i don't think Bharat is an emotional fool. He may be emotional but his justice too would have considered the bigger picture. The thing is I don't really know what Bharat or ram would have done (if this was a fresh case in front of ram that is )

So I am STILL wondering About a couple of things

1. Did shatrughun actually take a wrong decision?
2. What Bharat or ram would have actually done?


am calling bharat as emotional and not a fool... he's a phool 😆 😳

shirley wait for sita's banishment... let skr answer it.. there's no point in speculating.. cz i gave my interpretations on previous episodes,scenes and dialogues...

the equations are changing from dharma sabha...

the final sabha will be the ramayana recited by luv kush...

juz like we are now, shatrughna bharat ram will be in dilemma of what they did was right or wrong..

shatrughna in punishing dhobi's daughter
ram in banishing sita
bharat in sacrificing palace

the answers shall arrive with luv kush.. the answers will lie in the questions by the kids themselves. when they ask the elders will backtrack and introspect...

am waiting for the horse being caught by luv kush.. skr gave a beautiful angle to siya ram with the horse.. the next big turning point will be luv kush ram...

so we'll get those answers... in uttarakand... so to wait is the only option...

but as they have shown dhobi now and shatrughna in sabha.. the fb shall come.. and answers also..

tretayug was the yug where ppl followed principles, words, laws and truth...

so for me its highly impossible to believe that the girl was involved in anything ill...

in that sense shatrughna's decision will be right and wrong also..

juz the way we see ram... he was right.. he was wrong..

what am more interested in is, when time comes will janaka be there? or will he die before? this is smthn unseen.. i am eager to c how skr deals with it...

if janaka is present at the time when sita is banished or a bit after that we can easily compare dhobi's and his stand...

its again the principle of ek anek. shatrughna decides over the majority... but he also doesn't shun away the minority... he readily offers security and help...

but the father feels justice is denied especially when his daughter had done nothing...

c what he says.. she's a girl.. she's young.. uski umr hi kya h...

now again sita is banished when she has a new life in her... when its going to be her rebirth..

so lets wait for uttarakand.. till now we have got answers... and who knows maybe you'll get one in today's episode 😉

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