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Ankita.11

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Posted: 9 years ago

#441

Originally posted by: FAMS

Hello Shirley

Nice point. . .

Recently I read some blog of a lady (sorry I am really bad with names) she was a Rape Victim rather a survivor who went on to become sucessful in her chosen feild. . . she had asked this question and I am directly quoting from her " who has placed their izzat in vagina"

A good thought provoking question . . .

Yes..a thought provoking question...izzat and all are evils of our mindset..most important is self-respect,not bowing down before evil..Izzat is not the conditions that have been set up by few orthodox humans.it is keeping our morality right at all times at all conditions

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daydreamers

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Posted: 9 years ago

#442

Shirley, the mentality problems gave started with the wrong interpretations of the epics themselves. They are taken literally...

And see how SKR has brought it out.. They are showing it metaphorically.

We need to see more than the "man-woman" equation.. It is "prakriti-purush"

I admired janaka's dialogue, the one which was termed as a high end distortion... "Apne atma sanmaan ki suraksha sadaiva karna. Aur jarurat padne par agnipariksha bhi dena"

Cmn to other nations, do u really think they are advanced?

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daydreamers

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Posted: 9 years ago

#443

Originally posted by: FAMS

Hello Shirley

Nice point. . .

Recently I read some blog of a lady (sorry I am really bad with names) she was a Rape Victim rather a survivor who went on to become sucessful in her chosen feild. . . she had asked this question and I am directly quoting from her " who has placed their izzat in vagina"

A good thought provoking question . . .

@bold this is where the sabha scene fits... It were the men who were debating. And for whom? A girl's stand.

I still remember my words on shruthi's thread. The day the trio leave for vanvas and sumitra so beautifully guided lakshman.

If in life am given a chance to adopt a kid. I'll adopt a boy. I had this thot when I was 20.

Not because I believe ki beta ghar ka chirag hota hai aur beti paraya dhan.

But for a different reason all together...

U'll get that answer in SKR itself.. Janaka has a lot of influence on sita. Sumitra has a lot of influence on lakshman.

A father can bring up a daughter exceptionally well. And a mother can bring up a son like no one else...

Only a mother can teach a boy how to respect women.

Only a father can teach a girl how to understand men.

And if this happens, the balance is reached..

I want to adopt a boy so that tomorrow he doesn't say it was girl's fault. It was her bad dressing sense. It was her mistake to roam alone...

To make guys respect girls, its important that the boys are brought up by women...

But today exact ulta is happening...

In a relationahip, even after marriage, what does a woman expects? She expects that her man will take a stand for her.. But dies this happen? No...

A similar parallel can be drawn in SKR.. The tym sita convinces ram to take her along.. C the magic.. All were against till ram didn't approve... But once he gives his affirmation no one interrupts...

Again a woman's independence is a different issue.. And that we'll get when sita goes back... And that day I'll be the one who'll be whistling till the end...

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Rex_Ryan

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Posted: 9 years ago

#444

Originally posted by: daydreamers
Shirley, the mentality problems gave started with the wrong interpretations of the epics themselves. They are taken literally...
And see how SKR has brought it out.. They are showing it metaphorically.

We need to see more than the "man-woman" equation.. It is "prakriti-purush"

I admired janaka's dialogue, the one which was termed as a high end distortion... "Apne atma sanmaan ki suraksha sadaiva karna. Aur jarurat padne par agnipariksha bhi dena"

Cmn to other nations, do u really think they are advanced?

I agree with u people without knowing the true essence of the epic blindly follow the views of some dharm ke thakedar (the so called guardian of our culture) who distort the whole meaning either due to their half knowledge or to maintain themselves at superior position

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daydreamers

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Posted: 9 years ago

#445

Originally posted by: Ankita.11

So it does make sense???😕
Thank you Janhavi Mata(since you called me beta)😛

It makes a lot of sense...

And dd is fine 😆 I'll call u Ankita only 🤣

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daydreamers

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Posted: 9 years ago

#446

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@DD have you left something for me. Every single point covered including sanskriti -prakriti. Yes Ram has to pay for the mistakes of each and every one. The people he love, the people he trust put him in trouble one way or the other.
And I feel that is why Hanuman is called Ram's greatest sevak. Because he understood Ram in a way no one else understood. Eagerly waiting for Ram-Hanuman

Yes I want to highlight one point. Why do good people suffer. Always the question comes. Answer is sanskriti over prakriti. Many times the so called good people break Prakriti's laws to uphold sanskriti. and prakriti's law is supreme. Even if you break it without knowing you have to pay for it. Impact may be reduced, but payment is sure.
And when applying Prakriti's law without understanding sanskriti can land you in soup. So apply Prakriti's law in line with sanskriti .

That's why we have to know one thing. Learn to defend than attack. If you defend using Prakriti's laws, sanskriti will have to bow down. Will come to it in detail later. MB shows it in beautiful way

The episode made me write shruthi 😆

Whatta screenplay it was... 👏

Mind blowing!!!!!

Am connecting more with SKR because am in one way or the other getting answers for my uncanny connections with ram.

Yday Ram's stand took me to a different level... Especially the fact that he has to pay for everyone's deeds.. I had a heavy heart while watching the episode.. Reason?

Its making me understand my dad differently...

My papa is the lone son of the family. Our family is small but right from my childhood I have seen my dad suffer in one or the other way for others deeds...

And yday ram came as an answer to the questions that I always asked my family... I always wondered isn't there any other way out? Why do we have to suffer for other's deeds? Juz because they are blood relations?

I had the biggest lump in my throat. The tym ram ran I wanted to go and hug my dad... But then he was on a return journey from Mumbai..

Our life as a family begins on weekends. My brother and dad work out of town. Dad mostly is there on every weekend. My brother shows up every 15 days...

Today I understood why this thread is special for me.. Why was I directed to watch skr. Why was I directed to analyse and understand skr...

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sshirley

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Posted: 9 years ago

#447

Anita and DD, totally agree with both your points..

DD - u said if Bharat had been consulted the result would hv been different.. how?

I also agree that Bharat would have handled this matter differently since he's like ram. But my question is how Bharat or Ram (if he had been there) would have handled it?

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daydreamers

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Posted: 9 years ago

#448

Originally posted by: FAMS

Hello Jhanvi Dear,

I have not taken your words otherwise, I was just trying to explain my nature to you. . .
In short I was trying to tell you that I take time (lot of time) to open up. . .

Our this thread is wonderful work and each and every member is really close and dear to me.

Also would like to let you know I have never had as such any bad experience on IF so far . . .

With bitter experience I had meant the experience of my life. . .

Sharing my thoughts, I hardly watch SKR everyday it collectively watch all the episodes mostly on Saturday or Sunday as weekdays are very hectic . . . And this is the only reason I don't comment mostly . . .
But I stalk your thread everyday and like the views posted and different perspectives of all the members. . .

I am aware that you are an excellent counsellor as have been following your post regularly. . .

At the personal front I am single mother with 2 beautiful daughters and a very uncertain future and this makes me very bitter some times. . .

also like you i have horrible mood fluctuations . . so all in all many things I have in common with you and that is what connects us also. Plus all the experience sharing and wonderful advices given here by all our members specially Shruthi makes me appreciate that I stumbled up on this forum. . .

Fouzia I had to say smthn else also 😆

Main kal likhne wali thi but I slept till today noon...

Even when you haven't shared or posted much but I feel u r a sorted,honest,frank and a genuine human..

I don't have any reason for this conclusion that I reached...

And yes you are a beautiful mother with beautiful daughters juz like you 😃

Mood fluctuations ko maaro goli vo toh roz ki kahaani hai. Nahi? 😉

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deejagi

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Posted: 9 years ago

#449

Originally posted by: daydreamers

Result kya hota????? Focus on the reasoning that the ppl offer... If this mistake of hers is acknowledged, others will follow the same...

But cmn to shatrughna u need to always remember what this guy was given...

First in mithila, ram gave him knowledge of "prakriti" I.e a girl leaving her house and its their responsibility to look after her..

The next cut to dandak van lakshman teaches shatrughna to act... That is "sanskriti". The brahmarishi had taken a samadhi. But what gave lakshman dat clue? The ants I.e again prakriti. Observe prakriti u'll reach sanskriti. But but but, the point that shatrughna forgets today is that there was a saint or a sage that day. And today he's facing the common man...

The sage had taken a refuge under prakriti... But what about the common man?

I actually skipped this whole thing. I thot shruthi might explain 😆

Did u observe the sequence? Day before bharat asked shatrughna to take his advise if he needs. As per me this decision needed bharat's consent... That man who had the guts to challenge " parampara" to challenge "maryada". And c how cleverly cvs dealt with it... They didn't bring in bharat. Had they brought bharat and still shatrughna had taken rajdharma it would have been character distortion of bharat...

And c how shatrughna acts its very interesting..

He acknowledges the fact that the girl wasn't at fault. I.e he respected Ram's knowledge.. I.e prakriti. He acts in line with sanskriti I.e what lakshman taught him...

Again lakshman was sanskriti.. His journey to prakriti has started in the forest..

U need to know this..

Ram,bharat- prakriti

Shatrughna, lakshman- sanskriti

And if shatrughna had taken a different decision, how would drama happen? How will the story progress? How will the screenplay connect?

We need to remember this always, the end result of SKR will be same as Ramayana.. So to reach there we need to see how this connect... Again that doesn't make shatrughna grey...

Hus realization and journey to prakriti will start when sita is banished...

Lakshman sita debate scene will bite lakshman when lakshman has to leave sita in the forest.. Especially the words "maryada" "raghukul" "Suryawansh".

Similar parallel is with shatrughna. His decision will bite him when sita leaves without protection alone with her unborn kids..

Being a writer, I'll focus on the writing aspect.. Its a build up.. Build up towards the peak...

Sorry guys, I can't do a thorough analysis today as I am sure if I start to do , I may not stop it and currently I have no time with me. just having my lunch after an hectic half day in Office and post lunch will be more taxing. So just thought of peeping and landed square into the pool of debate.

Ok just few words here about Shathrugan and his justice. Sorry I will not quote Prakrithi & Samskriti here but just plain thoughts.

The question what would have happened if he had given the ruling in favor of the girl? As mentioned by the citizens, that would have opened up all new perspective on the institution of marriage and family. Today the girl and her father claimed that she was innocent and just to save her life from the swirl wind, she stayed with a man for few days alone and nothing wrong transpired between them. But she has no alibi to support her words or justification, not even her father knew what happened during the course of those days except for her explanation. As a father he accepted the same on face value and since he knew his daughter, he even believed her. But to give a Judgment, one needs witness and these people don't even have the man in question with them and that would have saved them a bit. After hearing the case, the first thing Shathrughan did was check with the Sr. minister who had served the state for longer than his age about what is the punishment for such crime or mistake and the minister said with command that she should be banned from state and sent to forest. the way it was voiced was like she should be sent to forest for ever and may be that was how it was practiced during Dasharth or his ancestors regime. But Shathrughan after seeing the girl and also after analyzing the factors and to prevail the Harmony of the society , gave his judgment of 2 years term in forest at state expense and security. A nominal punishment so that others don't follow the same.

When I said others, I didn't mean the women alone, it can be men as well. Whatever happened now unknowingly will happen knowingly and they can cover up the case with some other excuse. Even if a man abducts some lady and later claim he did nothing and no harm was caused to the lady, the court will have to agree to him as they will have to give justice based on his favor. The punishment was an eye opener for others to not to commit such mistakes.

And Shathrughan could not go to Bharath and asked for his advise as he had to proclaim the judgment then and there. Had Bharath been available at the court and if Shathru had ignored his presence and went ahead with his declaration, then he should have been condemned but not now. Shathru did take the opinion of the elder minister who had served his father for long and at whom the subjects kept the respect on high pedestal.

Sorry guys, need to end here. let me see, if I can do justice to Lakshman & Sita debate or action & reaction, may be later.