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Posted: 9 years ago
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@DD your part on the post. If you had read my daily analysis of that day. I guess it was a quick post. Putting the link here
It clearly talks about the need for a woman to speak the man's language that is proof and for a man to understand her intuition.
Problem was not Ram understanding her intuitions, problem was proving to the world his actions related to her because he was a king also. Ram was torn between his duties as a king and his duties towards her or prakriti. He had a lot of social obligations. Even in the scene Ram trying to till the land he had to go as he was called for something else. That was his life. And that is the life of any man with strong values.
By the end of Ram avatar Ram knew Prakriti's expectations and Purush's obligations. That's why in Krishna avatar he takes the direction of Arjun's battle in his hand giving him the brahma gyaan through Bhagavad Gita. Bhagavad Gita in a nutshell is the balancing of Purush and Prakriti. It is the knowledge of Prakriti or nature, it's laws which are supreme and equal across.
Krishna just played the flute and in front of Manmohan the whole Prakriti stood silent and danced to his tunes. 😆 And yes through his Maya and Leela he created proofs 😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@DD your part on the post. If you had read my daily analysis of that day. I guess it was a quick post. Putting the link here

It clearly talks about the need for a woman to speak the man's language that is proof and for a man to understand her intuition.
Problem was not Ram understanding her intuitions, problem was proving to the world his actions related to her because he was a king also. Ram was torn between his duties as a king and his duties towards her or prakriti. He had a lot of social obligations. Even in the scene Ram trying to till the land he had to go as he was called for something else. That was his life. And that is the life of any man with strong values.
By the end of Ram avatar Ram knew Prakriti's expectations and Purush's obligations. That's why in Krishna avatar he takes the direction of Arjun's battle in his hand giving him the brahma gyaan through Bhagavad Gita. Bhagavad Gita in a nutshell is the balancing of Purush and Prakriti. It is the knowledge of Prakriti or nature, it's laws which are supreme and equal across.
Krishna just played the flute and in front of Manmohan the whole Prakriti stood silent and danced to his tunes. 😆 And yes through his Maya and Leela he created proofs 😆


Word!!!!!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I guess hum dono hi padey rehte h idhar shruthi... 😆 🤣
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@DD talking about pivot, shaft and operator another symbolism came to my mind. Actually that scene was ignored, not given a second thought apart from Ram's showing of emphathy. But when your symbolism post, that scene has stuck out and it is in a very different way. Let me explain.

Janak says Sita has choosen them as parents. How did Janak get the baby. By tilling the land. And if you remember in the first epi a sanyasi asks Raja Janak yes you are taking care of your subjects, but what have you done for Prakriti. Do it and Prakriti will come in front of you.
It's then Raja Janak takes all the ornaments and makes a golden tilling instrument and tills the land. If you see he draws the line perfect and the baby comes.
So Sita choose a man who is connected with nature, who knows how to deal with land and prakriti in a perfect manner as her father. She learnt from him and became his reflection Janaki
Now the scene I am talking about. There is a scene where Ram tries to help a old lady to till the land. And that lady keeps on giving him instructions. This is not right, this is not right, do it this way, do it that way. And without completing the task Ram has to go as Lakshman comes and tells him Vishwamitra is calling him. Ram says to the lady he has not succeeded in tilling the land, but he will try again.
Not the point not succeeded in tilling the land, but willing to try, willing to put effort. So Ram is a man who has not yet understood Prakriti, but is willing to put effort to understand Prakriti. So Sita is actually choosing a man who is willing to put effort to understand Prakriti as her husband.
Then it is their journey. A journey where at every turn he is tested by Prakriti's unpredictability. Every turn Prakriti trusting him to correct the mistake and move forward. And every time she suffers for his mistakes, and he suffers not able to understand her better. Each time he tries harder. Each time new challenge is thrown at him.
And when Prakriti feels yes it is enough to challenge and when she feels he can draw the line, her role is over and she returns to the womb, leaving with him her foot prints, their children


Excellent Shruthi ⭐️

What a fabulous perspective of story of Sita Ram !

Applauds to CV's and you as well 👏
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: daydreamers


Thank you for sharing your views Krish... I love when ppl engage into discussions 😃 pls do post often, would love to hear you out.

And yes I agree to every point of yours.

I guess even when ppl know the tragedy siya-ram faced, they make it a point to watch or read or listen Ramayana again and again. Especially, sita's tragic end and her sacrifice...

I think more than anybody else, this character has inspired me always.

Devdutt being the advisor of SKR, I know it will deal with ram's part also. I see it very much there, especially after sita's departure. I actually want to see his bonding with luv-kush. We saw how sita brought up her kids without ram by her side. I would love to see how ram will manage them without sita.

And am pretty judgemental here, I think I'll still remain biased towards sita, even if they show ram's part. 😆 The lady actually has this effect on me... I'll be partial towards her for no solid reason... Only for one thing that she has moved me to a different extent...

And ignoring all feminism isn't it more heart breaking that for every adharma's end a woman is derogated? That might be sita, that might be draupadi... The real fight starts when the women were endangered...

And today's episode was a poignant forecast... I loved madirakshi today.. Especially in the bhumi scene... She really made me weep... My already infected eyes started aching coz of tears...

I really wish they show the other 3 couples also...

It's been 3 episodes dedicated to siya-ram replete with messages.. I really want to see how and where the other 3 couples stand now so we can at least get a glimpse of their fate too... Am looking more towards urmila and mandavi...

The cv's need to change mandavi's head piece asap 😡 even mandodari's chudamani was better...

Anyways, better late than never, welcome to the discussion 🤗
(I should have done this before only 😆) but I ges was carried away too much today...


@Daydreamers thanks...loll m lazy then sometimes want to read more than write... but finally yesterday's epi make me come n write this post n after ur beautiful symbolism ..will try more
bold agree more...with ur this part
yes with Devdut pattnaik we will see another side of Ramayan n waiting for it..even me always imagine what n how will Ram dealt with their son without Sita...

Madirakhshi was fabulous awesome..
that scene make me cry ...I can still feel the goosebump..
about make up n few jwelery few characters given best n few worst ..make up artist look after it...

🤗🤗 thanks thanks..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Thanks Adi for liking it. Yes that is why I was looking forward to Sita's perspective because only she can explain Ram and his actions. His greatness. We have always seen Ramayan from a man's perspective. Even Valmiki, Tulsidas they were all men. And when women wrote they only wrote Sita's pain, her pareeksha's.
So it was needed what Sita felt about Ram, her better half and Maryada purushottam.
@ DD it is not only us. People are reading, very few are commenting. Maybe we are writing heavy duty things. 😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

Thanks Adi for liking it. Yes that is why I was looking forward to Sita's perspective because only she can explain Ram and his actions. His greatness. We have always seen Ramayan from a man's perspective. Even Valmiki, Tulsidas they were all men. And when women wrote they only wrote Sita's pain, her pareeksha's.

So it was needed what Sita felt about Ram, her better half and Maryada purushottam.
@ DD it is not only us. People are reading, very few are commenting. Maybe we are writing heavy duty things. 😆


Adi, first of all welcome to the discussion... 🤗

Yes shruthi, ditto for me... I always wondered can anybody give us a balanced view of Ramayana? Like both sides... Am glad they brought up SKR... The name itself is enough to give me goosebumps...

And am glad I watched the repeat today... I really wanted to see if they have really kept ram's part in the foretelling or not... And they have done it... Beautiful balance... It was neither a feminist approach nor patriarchal approach.. It was a balance...

And yes ur interpretation of prakriti purush added a new feather to this whole thing... After she leaves, ram will become a reflection of JANAKA...

And yes... We are on heavy duty analysis 🤣 I either find my reply or your reply in the end always... 😆
I suppose we are too much carried away with this whole thing...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@DD. Shruthi,
Thoroughly enjoying this thread, excellent posts...

Too tied up to participate., however I confess, the points and explanations you girls bring out are pretty extensive , there is hardly anything that remains to be added.

So, even if I'am unable to add anything to same, I make it a point to go thru' all the posts, daily w/o fail 😊
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Shruthi can u please tell me why u think Sita chose that wish of her mother being her refuge, just after she saw mata Gargi. Is it becoz she already knew her fate or is it becoz of her wish that fate happened to her.
Sita admired Mata Gargi for her individuality. There is a convo between them where Sita maintains that she feels Mata chose to live alone, without losing her integrity n self respect.
So is it becoz she knew everyone will fail her eventually including Ram that she wished for her mother to come to her rescue, so she also will not lose her integrity n selfrespect?
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Posted: 9 years ago

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Shruthi can u please tell me why u think Sita chose that wish of her mother being her refuge, just after she saw mata Gargi. Is it becoz she already knew her fate or is it becoz of her wish that fate happened to her.
Sita admired Mata Gargi for her individuality. There is a convo between them where Sita maintains that she feels Mata chose to live alone, without losing her integrity n self respect.
So is it becoz she knew everyone will fail her eventually including Ram that she wished for her mother to come to her rescue, so she also will not lose her integrity n selfrespect?


Well sorry to butt in... Sita expressed gratitude to her first... Remember she said for the first tym I have come to thank you.. She said that whenever she was disturbed and sad she always found solace in her company...

I guess shruthi has a better explanation to what u have asked for 😆. What I concluded from her wish theory is that 'be careful of what u speak' as ma saraswati says 'tathastu' at every uttered word.

My take is it is both ways. Sita being Lakshmi knows her fate, her purpose. This is very much philosophical.

The second simple interpretation I find valid ( as per the mortal beings) is-

Its a normal human tendency to find solace and support with a person who they are close to ( mothers top this list). And remember the way she speaks with earth. She says she got Raja Janaka and Rani Sunaina in the form of her parents. In hindi 'mata pitah ke roop me praapt huye'. They became her guide. The 'roop' word is important. It indirectly hints mortality. Whereas mother earth is eternal, natural and immortal. Whenever sita will face dejection and defeat she'll search for a support, for solace. Sunaina will be there or not she doesn't know. She chooses ma vasudha for she was her daughter.. As she knew bhumi being immortal will give her refuge whenever she asks for. This also indicates that she will have a long journey... And sunaina having brought up sita will become highly emotional ( rem sita's words, bhavana ke bhanwar me dharma ka gyaan nahi bhulna chahiye) . it won't be possible for sunaina to give her that solace... On the contrary ma vaaudha will take her along as she would be tired and her birth purpose would be fulfilled.

Well my talks are not much insightful for your doubt. But I think it both ways... By wish it means what you talk. Even if you curse anyone its a wish, you bless anyone that's a wish. You want anything that's a wish. You speak to anybody its a wish.

So think before you think,speak,act or in a nutshell 'wish'.

In yesterdays scene especially siya-ram and Shiva's presence made it more ethreal... I saw narayan-lakshmi more here...

And sita's fate may seem tragic to the world but it was 'moksha' to her. She was freed of all the struggles as her purpose was complete... She had educated and brought up ram's kids for the betterment of raghukul...

Its actually tricky which side to choose. She knew her fate or she wished so it was her fate..

If u look with a philosophical angle, it is always said 'look what you wish for'.

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