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Posted: 9 years ago
@Savitha can you explain Vaishnavi Maya. I have read about Yoga Maya, but Vaishnavi Maya not yet.
@DD I watched the repeat since it is holiday thanks to Good Friday. I checked the blessing scene. See here is my take.
First placement Kausalya, Sumitra on down steps. Mandavi, Kirti, Urmila above. Kirti in middle flagged by Mandavi on right, Urmila on left.

Actually knowledge, wealth and power is going from Ayodhya. Ram-Knowledge, Lakshman -Wealth and Sita-Shakti or Power. Purusharth is walking out.

And with them Dasrath will go- infact he gets moksha. So a reign, a cycle is completed.

So to hold Ayodhya from plunging into darkness till Bharath comes. Kaikeyi is the darkness that is looming in Ayodhya. These 5 women have to take charge.

The 5 senses as I represent them. Kausalya is vision. Seeing is believing for her. Patni dharm for the first time she is seeing real patni dharm. That's why camera spanned not only in Sita but on Urmila too. Duty boundness. Support the righteous action of the husband. Kausalya knew it was difficult for Dasrath not having a son. She knew why Shanta had to go. Yet in that emotional turmoil period which they had shared they were apart not together. Because Kausalya couldnt see Dasrath is also pained. But when her husband needed most Sita is with him, so is Urmila.

Sumitra is smell. She spreads fragrance. In whatever capacity in whatever situation she gives out positivity. So that even in the most pungent place, fragrance can be seen.

Urmila is sound. The woman who is able to hear things before they are spoken. Able to take action even before asked.

And it is this combination of smell and sound that has enabled Lakshman to take up the duty without any headache. They are his strong support system. When Sumitra was giving blessing to Lakshman camera panned on Urmila too. Yes Sumitra is proud of her duty bound son, but she alone would not have won the battle, if her DIL didnt stand with her. With her ideals.

Kirti is taste, I mean how it tastes. Everything has to taste good. Even if something is going wrong she has to arrange it right so that it tastes good. That's why her question also even in this tiring period you are reminding of responsibility to Sita. Because she has to remember it. Let whatever be the mess. The final product has to taste good. That means she is in charge of mixing everything right. If one goes up, other has to come down. Really hard task

Mandavi is feel, the emotions flow through her. Only if she directs the emotions correctly all the 4 senses can work well.

So in a nutshell Mandavi is in charge. She is shown in Kirti's right side. The right hand. The shadow. Once again it has to start with her and end with Kausalya. Vision that Bharath dearly loves Ram. He doesnt want throne. He was not part of any conspiracy.

Then Ayodhya's darkness will be removed. All other senses are in between. Go anticlockwise. Mandavi, kirti, urmila, Sumitra, Kausalya that is the order the ladies has to do the task to remove the darkness of Kaikeyi and Manthara
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Posted: 9 years ago
My gawd!!!! Shruthi, exceptional 👏
But u know what I don't think we'll get detailed scenes as we got in mithila.. I ges the makers are now behind trps. Its a tough slot u c.. With BHR and MAHPH.

So, the theory is wow!!!! But again now I have started doubting cvs.

Yeah I had noticed camera pan on urmila now and then..

Cmn to the placement of the ladies. I didn't notice it but didn't go deep as right now project rules my mind 😆

Senses theory is wow!!! Ssly . didn't think that way...

Am actually bowled over by Kirti's interpretation... ⭐️

Cmn to what they may show and what not..

If vanvas gets them trps trust me palace scenes will be butchered..

But again I expect mithila scenes as janaka is the most loved person.. Plus bijay ji 's tweet gives a hint that there might be a scene of mithila...

Mithila was loved the most.. So yes they'll surely get that to secure trps.. But am skeptical of palace scenes.. If SiRa gets trp forget the resurrection...
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Posted: 9 years ago
@DD the idea came because since you talked about kirti in middle I was in thinking mode. 5 women. 5 stands for senses and what it has to do with senses.
And when I watched repeat I understood. When faced with negative situation, when we feel darkness even before it is darkness it is because of the mess up that happens with senses.
First mind, the irrational fear, then we see mess, hear bad words, the place becomes sickening and finally the vision is blurred with all the negative things. Everything wrong our eyes see it. But vision is only playing what the other senses are showing. So if we control from the thoughts, the other senses will fall in place and there will be more clarity and you wont do any rash actions. If you see manthara played on Kaikeyi's senses, in her mind and then through every other sense.

And if I say they bring Shanta I will be happy. Because she is the 6th sense. The one who extracted promise from the brothers that they will always be together no matter what. That they will not make Ayodhya say Shanta's sacrifice was not out of freewill. They will never belittle her tyaag. And Kaikeyi Matha is completely unaware of this promise given to Shanta by all 4 brothers. Vachan stands tall in raghukul, and when Ram had executed vachan, how can bharat not execute it. No one else but Kausalya knows this promise. But Kausalya is not gonna remember it. if Shanta comes she can make Kausalya remember it and make her trust in Bharath.

See so far CVs might have rushed. But none of our analysis have proven wrong till now. So they will show depending on TRP matha. But may not be elaborated as we expect.
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Posted: 9 years ago
Yes shruthi...
I relate Shanta with sita...

So yes Shanta has to be shown to complete the geometry..

As you talked of sixth sense... I kinda like the concept of sixth sense in general...

And yes as you say Shanta is the sixth sense... A sense that knows all without knowing much... It appears to be a wild guess at first but the sixth sense usually stands true in the times of confusion... It is weird it is absurd but again it is smthn that one cannot express and ignore...

And yes our theories are right... Even in rush we have managed to hit gold.. And I guess that's more than enough...

If they bring in Shanta, She'll have many roles... As you said bringing kaushalya out of the illusion... If we remember she gelled with sita very immediately... She'll be that big support to the mithila sisters... And last but not the least it's dashratha's redemption...

Am waiting for shanta's comeback.. I hope cvs do justice to it...

If they remain true to the concept, screenplay and the emo of the show, trp will cone automatically...

Wasting more time on SiRa the other characters are surely down the drain...
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Posted: 9 years ago
@DD one more thing just stuck me. When we wrote the " Pillar " episode I was little skeptical on the title but still decided to go with the instinct. Reason though I could identify the 3 pillars 4th rajdharma I couldnt pin point. So I was thinking did I go wrong in analysis. But then heart said go with pillars. And now suddenly when I put the senses post starting from Mandavi I understood who stands the 4th and most important pillar in the hour of darkness. Mandavi. She is the Rajdharma. We have already told she is the shadow, she is the defense.
Now look even before tyaag acted that is Urmila, rajdharma had gone ahead and asked Kaikeyi whether what she is doing right for the family, for the kingdom without asking the concerned person that is Bharath. She had tried to prevent the darkness. But in Kaikeyi nothing works.

Now Dasrath dies. Actually that period between the death of dasrath and the arrival of Bharath the whole kingdom is plunged into uncertainity. Because till Dasrath is there Kausalya can take charge as Maharani. But once he is not there, even she has to wait for the next king. His orders. And since Dasrath granted Kaikeyi 2 boons, it is decided that Bharath is the next king. And the people associated with Bharath Kaikeyi and Manthara the darkness creates more gloom, fear in the minds of queens as well as the remaining 2 Mithila sisters.

So in that situation the representative of Bharath the next queen in charge Mandavi her behaviour carries a lot of weight. With the assumption that her husband will not do anything that is against his brothers and his other mothers Mandavi will take charge and behave. Her actions is the assurance, assurance that Ayodhya is not moving into darkness. She is the hope, the defense, the light that shimmers. And if you see Mandavi is the thoughts, Urmila is the action and what connects them is Kirti. In a way Urmila will use kirti to stop Mandavi whenever she tries to tell anything emotionally or try to tell something that can damage relations. Though Mandavi is in charge kirti and Urmila will guide her. So that she destroys only that is necessary and doesnt go overboard. Sita's reflection will manage Sita's shadow albeit indirectly. Because Mandavi can expect harps and even Kaikeyi Manthara can be rude to her telling once Bharath comes her ways wont work. She shouldnt heed to them and leave Kaikeyi and Manthara for Bharath and shouldnt unnecessarily mess around with them.
So that's why Mithila sisters kept on the top and Kausalaya -Sumitra in the lower step. It all depends on them. If they work fine, the other queens too will join them and hold the fort and hold Ayodhya till the return of Bharath.

And the pillars goes like this. Ram Vachan palan Urmila-Tyaag Lakshman Swadharm Mandavi Rajdharm

While Ram's shadow does Swadharm in the given situation, Sita's reflection and shadow holds the other 2 pillars of tyaag and rajdharma
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Posted: 9 years ago
Shruthi, I was also confused with pillars 😆 especially rajdharma. I penned down smthn but wasn't convinced...
What kept ringing in my mind was sita's advise to mandvi...

And my gut feeling is reassured by your statement now..

Yes mandavi has a lot on her plate now...

Ab let's c kya kya hota hai 😃
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Posted: 9 years ago
SIYA KE RAM-25/03-TRUTH

Bring it on cvs 😎

I opened the post quite early.. Just felt that the episode will be wow!!! And now I pat my back for the same... My intuition did prove me right... 😃

Trust me the episode is exceptional in terms of connectivity and screenplay...

For a very long tym I have been waiting for jabali...

And I remember bringing his BG lyrics in one of my post. I don't remember exactly.. It was prakriti or niyati of the next post to it but I remember one thing of talking over the title with Shruthi.. I had zeroed on truth and she suggested smthn else and I went with her. Am glad I did... Cz today I see more deeper meaning to it...

And as I had connected ravan with jabali's BG I was expecting cvs to connect these two in some episode... And they did it today... Wohooo... Am dancing,whistling, jumping what not... 😆

So let's start...

The walk was nice... 👏 I loved it cz it wasn't a close up we had a blur vision of the ladies behind... Brilliant direction ⭐️

And shruthi I was again stuck on kirti... Wow!!!

The beauty of the blurred picture behind was they looked as if they stood in a single line instead it was the girls above and queens below...

A shot from behind was worth it... ⭐️

If u look from front it gives an illusion that all are working in sync together... But the shot from behind assures that equations have changed...

The mithila sisters will take the charge from now on and will bring the queens a step up...

That shot was magic.. And this is my interpretation 😆

Mahadev and parvati are the narrators of SKR I always say this... And their words and our analysis go hand in hand...

"Dharmaraksha"

Wow!!!!

Purusho mein uttam ram... ⭐️

The scene was nice...

Out in the city... They have their bhakts waiting.. Their praja...

Again the scene was nice.

I really don't understand what happens to my neighbors at 8. They all have to come at 8 and I always have to attend them that's superbly annoying u c 😡

So I exactly don't know how and when jabali came...

Prior to this I loved the way ram went to the kid.. Children are special aren't they? And their wishes are always heard by the lord...

Cmn to jabali and ram-

The debate is endless... With no exact truth in it...

What I loved the most was "coexistence" with peace and respect. The last words jabali says... Neither your views can change me nor my views can change you. But what I have is immense respect for you. You'll always be there in my heart..
He bowed down.. He bowed down not to ram but to hari. This man his own views but he doesnt hesitate to show the respect he has for others.

Jagat satyam

Brahma mithya

What words yaar... I have some weird connection with this. The tym this show had started I was busy with orals and exams.. So haven't watched the earlier episodes.. I felt I won't be watching this show anytime in future.. Quite on off with shows u c 😆 but what really intrigued me was jabali's theme... The lyrics especially the above two lines made me rethink and then it was why not?


Cmn to jabali's views...
What is truth? What is dharma? What is sacrifice? What is selfishness? What is materialism?

You are giving up all the pleasures of life for the sake of kaikeyi's shallowness. Your first duty is to look after your subjects and you are leaving them for the sake of some stupid promises. Truth is what you see,what you feel. Just for the sake of your conspiring "kumata" you are taking the route to vanvas. You deserve to be here and not in the forest. By going away you are sacrificing your responsibilities of a king and yuvraj. Emotions have made you blind. Wake up and be practical. By leaving the country you are not following your dharma of rajkumar. What you see is truth. What you don't see is mithya.

Cmn to Ram's points

I won't hear a single word against my most favorite mother. For me the truth is the promise that my father gave my mother. For me it is above all- moh, materialism, swartha.

"Yatha raja tatha praja"

"Jaisa raja waisi praja"

I don't want this country to lose its simplicity, honesty and righteousness. And being the rajkumar its my duty to keep these virtues intact. After all the people will follow their king.

I can endlessly go on this discussion like literally 😆

The best part was lakshman's nodding session 🤣 it was a treat.. As if ki bhai Iska kuch nahi ho sakta 😆

Cmn to ravan's scene...

I loved this connectivity as I said earlier...

Ravan has his own sense of truth. 😆

The tym he challenges Indra I imagined *lakshman nodding*

The tym he says how will he defeat 10 ravans *lakshman nodding*

The tym all the other ravans are magically killed by Indra's vajra *lakshman nodding*

And next ravan approaches Indra. I had this gut feeling, that ravan being Shiva bhakt it will be Brahma who'll stop him... And yes I was proven right. Brahma ji prakat huye ⭐️ and what diplmacy..

You are the winner. You are the ruler. Why to waste time in defeating a defeated person?

He cleverly dodges ravan.. As his "kaal" is cmn nearer... The countdown for his destruction has begun the moment when ram took his first step out of the stairs of his palace...


Cmn to the title

We are taking truth...

Have to speak a lot. Be patient 😆

What is truth?

What is the ultimate truth?

No one knows.

Everyone has their own version of truth.

And the one that ppl believe, it becomes their truth...

Jabali's version.. Ppl who are practical will relate to it...

Aasan bhasha mein

"Jo dikhta hai vo bikta hai" valid point...

What he wants to say is you can see this world it is true.. But you cannot see the other world then it is not true...

A pure rational point...

Ram's version is more philosophical and complex...

Beyond this world of illusions, selfishness, shallowness there's a truth that no one can deny. And that is dashratha's promise.

What is the world you can see? It is hari's Maya...

Am reminded here of peacock scene . Indra took nature's help. That's his truth. What ravan felt was it was Indra's maya and that's his truth...

On Ram's point I would like to give sme interpretation..

Dashratha's promise to kaikeyi... It is related to kaikeyi's past. She has turned out the way her mother was. Her past needs a closure.. And what can close it? It's vachan palan. If this isn't followed, the issue will pop up again with more negativity and nastier results...

Its very important to close it once for all...

You cannot see electricity but u see the results and you conclude that electricity is there...

Same is with the promise... The promise was given by dashratha to kaikeyi's father with no witness. Neither kaikeyi saw it nor anyone.. But what makes ram believe it are the repercussions.. One vachan broken, kaikeyi brings in the boons. Again no witness. But the results are seen... Kaikeyi's anger, dashratha's illness...

Kaushalya's truth is what she is given and what she sees.

Shanta's sacrifice is truth of maryada

Kaikeyi's wish will become the truth of bharat for her.


Another interpretation to a dialogue I missed earlier... Jabali says that you are taking away your Father's life.. That was deep.

It was dashratha's niyati.

Everyone has their own version of truth but prakriti has its own truth.. Time has its own truth...

Ram's vanvas is hari's Maya to execute prakriti's truth..

"Hum sab yatri hai ram. Akela ata hai aur akela jata hai."

Again wow!!! This is prophetic... Sita will go but ram won't be able to do anything...

Cmn to question of the day-

"Yatha raja tatha praja"

Didn't Ram taking sita's agnipariksha set an example for the praja? They doubted on her character because maybe their raja did the same as he asked for her agnipariksha?

What will be the ultimate truth then? Will ram be justified in his actions? Will sita's banishment be the ultimate truth? Will luv Kush's ramayana be the ultimate truth? Or there's more to prakriti's truth?

Was sita's banishment just a Maya?

Will sita's agnipariksha be Ram's truth? As the praja hasn't seen the agnipariksha, will that be mithya to them? Sita's final goodbye is served to give them a dose of the real truth?

What's prakriti's truth? A father hearing his life story from his own kids? Or luv Kush's rights is prakriti's truth?

If sita going back to the earth was her niyati, then what was the truth?


P.S- today ram jabali were like Krishna and kanjilalji Mehta for me.
As I watched the movie I had the role of lakshman.. Simply nodding 😆

Today I get it tab bhi kuch nahi ho sakta tha aj bhi kuch nahi ho sakta.


Truth will be truth. Truth will be mithya. Truth will be what seen. Truth will be what unseen. Truth will be speculation. Truth will be analysis. Truth will be complex. Truth will be simple.

Above all what remains supreme will be the truth of nature.

Jabali ram scene is I ges at the tym when bharat goes to take ram after dashratha's death. But cvs have preponed it. 😆 no issues at all..😳
Edited by daydreamers - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
Guys will post sometime later in the night. Some important work has come. Will make individual post on Ram-Jabali convo. It was a beauty in every sense. And then other analysis. hope DD can take care till then
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

Guys will post sometime later in the night. Some important work has come. Will make individual post on Ram-Jabali convo. It was a beauty in every sense. And then other analysis. hope DD can take care till then


Sure... 😎
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Posted: 9 years ago
Shruthi your analysis of the episode in relation to the senses is both thought provoking and exceptionally accurate. I loved reading it and will be thinking on it throughout the day as I follow my normal routine. In one of Bhaishri's discourses on Bhagvatam, He explains 'Vaishnavi maya' in basically two instances. One when Krishna shows the world and beyond in his mouth to Yashoda and the second one is when Krishna sends Uddhav to Vrindavan. The first instance Krishna after showing the world to his mother gets worried that now she would treat him as a god, so he calls upon Maya to make her forget his divinity, but since Yashoda is devoid of any personal desires, wishes and even ego, Yog maya has to take the form of 'vaishnavi maya.'In the second instance Uddhav has this pride that he is Krishna's most ardent devotee, so Krishna with a smile sends him with a letter to be given to his gopis. Uddhav reaches there and sees everyone going about their routine life peacefully. When they find out that he has come with a message from their kanha, all of them try to touch his hands and feet saying that those would have done the same to Krishna. He then takes out the letter to read but before he has even barely begun they snatch it from his hands and everyone ends with a piece of the torn letter.On seeing Uddhav's anger,they say that what was written was not as important but only that it came from their beloved Kanha. Uddhav realizes Krishna's goal in sending him here and with folded hands acknowledges that their love and devotion is unsurpassable.
This world cannot exist without Maya or prakriti. Our physical body ,mind and senses are all her manifestations. Our ego,desires and wishes are her vehicles.This is Yog maya.But when all our senses ,desires and ego becomes self{soul} absorbed and are united with the divine,That maya which manifests is Vaishnavi maya.
I hope I have been able to to express his explanation with some semblance of clarity.
Savita

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