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Posted: 9 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

You can take one more thing DD with respect to that dialogue. Not only Shruthakirti, he needs to respect every woman in the palace. 3 mothers who has imparted learnings and then 2 of his bhabi's. Mandavi and Urmila, who represents the wealth and power of Ayodhya.

Infact though he is the one executing the tasks, there are 6 women behind him. 3 mothers, 2 bhabis and his wife. Only by loving and respecting them he will be able to do the tasks correctly. Hence imparting knowledge to him on the importance of women.
Ram is Vishnu. He knew it upfront what lies ahead. He was preparing his younger brother for the same.


exactly... this was my interpretation...

was going to put it but my eye was aching a lot so left it to you...

coz as per my information, bharat went to nandigram. it was shatrughna who stayed back in the palce to look after the court affairs and home...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@DD you are talking to a person working in IT industry for past 12 years 😆😆. I should know the basics atleast right naa😆😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@DD you are talking to a person working in IT industry for past 12 years 😆😆. I should know the basics atleast right naa😆😆



haan ji, i know that pehle se hi...😆😆 it was just my way of putting things.😆

mujhe kehna sirf itna tha ki mujh jaise garibo ka maargdarshan kijiye. hum building baandhte hai software nahi banate...

toh pls open a thread for binary system na...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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SIYA KE RAM- 17/02- THE PIVOT


Exceptional episode. Beautiful portrayal. Great symbolisms and much awaited forecast.

Ponder over the title till i update.

The episode starts with Ravan's kingdom. I don't know why i don't feel like delving deeper into the scenes from Lanka. But today was different. Mandodari and Ravan's mother make me include this angle into my post. Their intuition, their fear was well defined. As ravan's mother rightly pointed that mandodari's intuition was not baseless. Shruthi am reminded here of your reply on intuition. Intuition stems from the knowledge of subconscious mind. Fear is usually baseless, but i find ravana's mother fearing on the basis of valid reasons. A stark contrast yet a compliment, fear acknowledged intuition. A slight pointer here, ravana's mother retells the boon emphasizing that a woman will be the reason of death of her son. An interesting mention was about "satitva" (chastity). Keep this mind to connect the dots.

The next scene is mata gargi and sita. I always admired gargi and sita's bond. A beautiful depiction of guru-shishya scene. Me being a student so wish that we had teachers like those in the ancient times. How sita beautifully clarified that gargi's teachings would always remain with her. Gargi blesses sita that all her "manoraj" would be fulfilled. A slight pointer here again- the BG music that was played when gargi blessed sita. Go back to yday's episode and you'll come across the same music when sunaina tests the girls. So the bgm of the show is the biggest backbone in foretelling the future. Gargi's blessing about "manoraj" is poignant and ironical. Will sita's all wishes come true?

The next scene we get is ram and bhumija. Sita's self talk was heart touching. It actually made me cry when she says that she'll be back to her abode when her patience and strength ends. Am so glad that the whole thing was witnessed by ram. He gets a glimpse into vasundhara putri, bhumija, maithili. The emotion with which sita delivers is overwhelming. Devi lakshmi knows what her end would be. She collects the soil and gets up. Ram catches the falling soil assuring sita that he would never let her lose and share her struggle. There's one thing shiva says "ardhanareshwar". This shall be interesting to watch during exile and abandonment phases. As ram says he would share her pain, her struggle, her anguish he holds the soil in his hand. Once done he pours it back into her aanchal. Recall sita's talk with vasundhara devi. She says her existence is because of her. Ram takes the essence from sita in the form of soil and returns back her existence in the aanchal. RING A BELL? If not, relate with the future and fate of sita. Ram vowed to share her LIFE but he could not share her FATE. Ram's taking and returning the soil was symbolic of life and fate. The teary eyed Ram gave me shivers.

No thoughts on the family meet and muhurtha declaration.

Coming to why i chose this title. THE PIVOT.

Interestingly from monday we have witnessed a pattern which began with janaka. yesterday we have ram. Today we have THE PIVOT. We got THE SHAFT, THE OPERATOR and THE PIVOT.

The shaft being janaka, the operator being Ram and the pivot being SITA. Today's post was dedicated to sita.
As a kid i always admired sita, may be more than ram. Even maryada purushottam didn't suffice to like him. Not because of feminism or anything, but i really felt the humanness in sita's character as she was tired of the trials. I didn't feel she chose her fate coz of her ego, it was her justified approach. JUSTICE is a funny thing you see. What may be right for one won't be the same for the other. As king and queen they decided to part ways but when the rights' of their sons came into picture sita lost her calm. I actually worship SITA right from my childhood. Today penning down was very tough. My eyes welled up.

Coming to the episode and yday's discussion on thread, as told that sita means "hal se rekha banati" i.e a line. Today sita expressed her gratitude by calling her parents by their names janaka and sunaina. Janaka had said that sita had chosen them as her parents. It was that time, sita chose her destiny. Ram broke the bow, sita chose her life. A time will come again when sita will choose her fate. Sita meaning line that starts with janaka and ends at ram. Janaka named her sita and today ram reached sita.

The soil sita collected and ram took and returned depicts life and fate. Sita took mithila's soil which shaped her destiny by janaka's teachings. She took them in her aanchal as a proof of her existence. Ram took it symbolic that he woud share her existence that is her life. He gave it back into her aanchal symbolic that though he shares her life he gives back her fate. Remember even ram couldn't change her fate.

The whole scene is deep, very deep. The loop is opened which is longest running one and culminate at the end.

Why SITA is A PIVOT? The episode began with the mention of 'SATITVA'. It began with the mention of Ravana's boon that will turn into a curse. The whole scene revolved around the pivot which will cause a turn of events and an upheaval in the life of mandodari.
The next was siya-ram. Ram's life is pretty much going to revolve around sita. Again the pivot will make a point to turn things upside down in the life of maryada purushottam. He is going to be torn between duties. The term "satitva" makes a place in the story. It was ironic. Ravana's wife is asked to use her chastity to save her husband. on the contrary sita's chastity is going to be questioned endangering ram's reputation.

What i loved in the past three episodes was the line (sita) which connected janaka and ram. The soil scene again has this layered depiction. Janaka had ploughed the field by making a line thus ensuring the baby's upbringing, destiny and her capability of dealing with life. Ram receives the strength in the form of luck from janaka. Thus, sita is the line that connects the capability (janaka) of enduring struggle (bhumija) of life (ram)

I would end this post with a salute to THE PIVOT.

P.S.: substantial additions on pg.12 😃




Edited by daydreamers - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#76
What I loved the most today was when Sita said when she has failed or she feel tired taking challenges after challenges she will come back to the earth and asking her mother to take her then. It was very symbolic because the identity of Sita is earth. Bhumija and she cannot be seperated from it. Or rather she cannot be separated from nature as taking the mitti in her anchal shows. Even in silk sarees what she treasures is mitti, her mother. It was a beautiful symbolism of you should never forget the path you came how much ever high you go.

And Ram takes the mitti from her anchal in his hands, showing equal respect to the identity of Bhumija. And he says he will never allow her to fail. Yes he never allows. But maybe she feels enough challenges they have taken and given as a couple and it is time to stop and goes back to the earth.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I cant help comment after todays episode and your interpretation... the symbolism is very clear ... and sad. The story of ramayana is tragedy for all involved. But it is telling to uphold our values and karma even at the face of great lose. And to say this, Rama and Sita goes through such heart breaking sadness... and today when Rama had tears in his eyes it was too clear... This story is gonna make all of us cry more than any other version ever did...

For one, Sita saying take her back when she failed ... when she is tired ... we know it will come to that ... she will fail or everyone will fail her ... her fate is cruel ... but she will endure because she doesnt have any guilt in her mind... she will go back to her mother as pure as she was when she came from earth... without any baggage ...she will go back to her mother and be one with her...

Oh but Rama!!!! ever wondered how guilt will affect such a righteous soul?? to let down his soul mate? How his fate puts his dharma as a king above Dharma as a husband? How being a king, makes him first responsible for his people and only then his soul... And he decides, rightfully so, because he knows Sita is his other half... she will forgive him, because thats how much a husband and wife knows and be one. But unlike her hes not the one who is abandoned .. not the one who, atleast in the eyes of the world, is suffering...He will be the one to break the vows... to fail her... and so will his be the greater grief...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: mira

I cant help comment after todays episode and your interpretation... the symbolism is very clear ... and sad. The story of ramayana is tragedy for all involved. But it is telling to uphold our values and karma even at the face of great lose. And to say this, Rama and Sita goes through such heart breaking sadness... and today when Rama had tears in his eyes it was too clear... This story is gonna make all of us cry more than any other version ever did...

For one, Sita saying take her back when she failed ... when she is tired ... we know it will come to that ... she will fail or everyone will fail her ... her fate is cruel ... but she will endure because she doesnt have any guilt in her mind... she will go back to her mother as pure as she was when she came from earth... without any baggage ...she will go back to her mother and be one with her...

Oh but Rama!!!! ever wondered how guilt will affect such a righteous soul?? to let down his soul mate? How his fate puts his dharma as a king above Dharma as a husband? How being a king, makes him first responsible for his people and only then his soul... And he decides, rightfully so, because he knows Sita is his other half... she will forgive him, because thats how much a husband and wife knows and be one. But unlike her hes not the one who is abandoned .. not the one who, atleast in the eyes of the world, is suffering...He will be the one to break the vows... to fail her... and so will his be the greater grief...


THANK YOU FOR DROPPING IN AND REPLYING.

ACTUALLY YES, I REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH RAM AFTER SITA'S DEPARTURE. AND I SEE SKR WILL DEAL WITH THIS. TODAY'S EPISODE GAVE AWAY MUCH OF IT. IF WE SEE SITA'S TRIALS WE ALSO SHALL WITNESS RAM'S CONDITION.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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beautiful post
Today is one of the best epi beautiful epi n emotional...
everything is connected with each other...
the future scene is there ..indeed loops r open..
I really want to know what will happen n how Ram will feel after the departure of Sita's...
u give perfect symbolism of Taking soil from Sita then giving back by Ram...
its so true...
I guess Lakshmi Narayan know what is their fate here they felt the pain n they know what struggle they have to endure n pain also...
Lord Shiva said right about the Ardhanarishwar another side
from this what Ram said from now their happiness pain everything will face by them together...
like Lord Shiva n Ram said better half n sharing everything its also symbolic ..
SiyaRam indeed share everything together almost... they endure the pain...
yes ME too connected with Sita more felt her pain but I really want to know about Ram n his pain his life without Sita...
I always heard from my elders that Ram also shared but I really want to know it...
yes SKR will show it I am hoping for that...
yes the moment of Gargi ma n Sita so touching ..
indeed now days we lack of teacher like those time...n what Sita said so beautiful yes our education will give us to face the life n its struggle...
Sita said right..so beautifully...
I loved ur post...

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Krishna_Sourav

beautiful post

Today is one of the best epi beautiful epi n emotional...
everything is connected with each other...
the future scene is there ..indeed loops r open..
I really want to know what will happen n how Ram will feel after the departure of Sita's...
u give perfect symbolism of Taking soil from Sita then giving back by Ram...
its so true...
I guess Lakshmi Narayan know what is their fate here they felt the pain n they know what struggle they have to endure n pain also...
Lord Shiva said right about the Ardhanarishwar another side
from this what Ram said from now their happiness pain everything will face by them together...
like Lord Shiva n Ram said better half n sharing everything its also symbolic ..
SiyaRam indeed share everything together almost... they endure the pain...
yes ME too connected with Sita more felt her pain but I really want to know about Ram n his pain his life without Sita...
I always heard from my elders that Ram also shared but I really want to know it...
yes SKR will show it I am hoping for that...
yes the moment of Gargi ma n Sita so touching ..
indeed now days we lack of teacher like those time...n what Sita said so beautiful yes our education will give us to face the life n its struggle...
Sita said right..so beautifully...
I loved ur post...


Thank you for sharing your views Krish... I love when ppl engage into discussions 😃 pls do post often, would love to hear you out.

And yes I agree to every point of yours.

I guess even when ppl know the tragedy siya-ram faced, they make it a point to watch or read or listen Ramayana again and again. Especially, sita's tragic end and her sacrifice...

I think more than anybody else, this character has inspired me always.

Devdutt being the advisor of SKR, I know it will deal with ram's part also. I see it very much there, especially after sita's departure. I actually want to see his bonding with luv-kush. We saw how sita brought up her kids without ram by her side. I would love to see how ram will manage them without sita.

And am pretty judgemental here, I think I'll still remain biased towards sita, even if they show ram's part. 😆 The lady actually has this effect on me... I'll be partial towards her for no solid reason... Only for one thing that she has moved me to a different extent...

And ignoring all feminism isn't it more heart breaking that for every adharma's end a woman is derogated? That might be sita, that might be draupadi... The real fight starts when the women were endangered...

And today's episode was a poignant forecast... I loved madirakshi today.. Especially in the bhumi scene... She really made me weep... My already infected eyes started aching coz of tears...

I really wish they show the other 3 couples also...

It's been 3 episodes dedicated to siya-ram replete with messages.. I really want to see how and where the other 3 couples stand now so we can at least get a glimpse of their fate too... Am looking more towards urmila and mandavi...

The cv's need to change mandavi's head piece asap 😡 even mandodari's chudamani was better...

Anyways, better late than never, welcome to the discussion 🤗
(I should have done this before only 😆) but I ges was carried away too much today...
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