King a change agent, Qualities of a king, price of a kingdom

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Posted: 9 years ago
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I am not seeing Arshics post today. Don't know why. But yesterday epi had some other major aspects about being a king I thought of creating another post today because yesterday epi warranted a much detail discussion on the same.
It is said that with great power come great responsibilities. Whenever you are in a position of power, when people trust you, respect you your actions has to be responsible. It has to be for the betterment of the society. And yes if you have to drive change you need power. Without power and wealth change cannot be driven. If you use your knowledge the right way wealth and power will come behind you. You need not have to go behind them. And once you have that, many people don't use it to drive positive change. Instead they use it to control others. Here Raja Janak is showing how a good king should be. If the king doesn't send the daughters to the pathsala, how can praja send their daughters. But when king himself send the daughters, then the praja will be encouraged to follow suit. To educate their daughters. And when Sita asks Gargi to be her teacher it is altogether another dimension. Because a woman who has seen outside world will have lot to offer which her mother or other ladies in palace cannot offer. There was a time public spaces were made only for men. It is now only slowly it is opening up for ladies. Earlier products were made for men. Today they are made for women also. Reason more woman are coming out in the public space. They are demanding their space different from what men want. From cars to gadgets today woman's sense is also taken into account. But this change was made possible only by people like Janak then, and people like Raja Ram Mohan Roy, Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar and many other eminent personalities who worked tirelessly for the upliftment of their other half in the universe. Janak shows a model where power needs to be used correctly. It is not only for girls education, it can be for n number of things. Like Amitabh Bachan became the face of polio eradication campaign. It is said that his face helped the health workers reach every corner of India because of the adulation people had for him. That face helped them battle lot of superstitions regarding vaccination and indirectly he played a major role in the eradication of polio from our country.
Just look at the contrast. While one king wanted to open up his praja to send their daughters to pathsala, another king send the daughters of his kingdom including his own to get sons. One wanted to change the existing system, other wanted to continue the existing system.
Now coming to Kaikeyi. She was hurt. But she has decided to make her son competent to hold the mantle of the king. So before asking King Dasrath to make her son king, the mother has decided her son has to be equipped in all ways to become one. And he will not till he is in the shadow of his elder brother. So she decides to send him away for the grooming. If you look Kaikeyi doesn't have anything against Ram. She still does not want to hear anything against Ram. Ram is still her model son. But now her anger is at her husband who has hurt her like anything. To give him the pain. I would say her second boon of asking vanvass for Ram for 14 years maybe akin to Bharat's separation from her for 14 years. To make Dasrath feel the pain of a mother when that mother is separated from the child. The pain Kausalya didn't give him because of her preserving nature, but Kaikeyi decides to give him. To make him feel, how it feels for a mother when the child is supposed to walk the hard path. Because he will understand only when it affects Ram. It would have torn her heart also to send her favourite son like that. But the fire inside her heart wanted that ice to calm down. Maybe I understand Kaikeyi better now. For her son's identity as an able administrator and to make Dasrath understand how his actions have affected others she did certain things. She is no vamp. But she is a human with her own flaws.
And last part. Power does not come cheap. It extracts heavy price always. And Kaikeyi also paid the price. Yes her son ruled Ayodhya for 14 years though in Ram's name it was his rule. But she suffered widowhood. She was hated by all, even by her son. And power never gave her any real happiness. That is what happens when you snatch power. One way or the other it destroys you. Power is given, not taken for it to work constructively. So whoever snatches kingdom, they will always pay heavy price. Both Ramayana and Mahabharata reiterate this principle. Shakuni thought of snatching the kingdom. Entire kuru clan paid including himself paid the price.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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beautiful post
its superb
u said right n well analyse the characters now
I really like n adore Janak.. may be as daughter like my father give me those freedom help me to get educated n I was more feeling for Sita n Janak bond n felt sad with Dasarath didn't oppose n always has desire to get son when he already had Shanta...
now coming to Kaikeyi yes she is more hurt her ego bruised badly ...she make her son capable but then she lost her way
yes u r right she want to give the same pain to Dasarath but she lost everything...
I felt when ppl asked justice by doing revenge or inflict same pain to that person who is or r responsible its come back to them...but if justice come naturally then its something else...
I loved yesterday epi sply the conversation between Gagri n Sita...

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Good post. Not only Janak gave the liberty for his daughter to learn, if u see even the earlier generation Ashwapati (Kaikeyi's father) allowed kaikeyi to learn war skills. This encouragement only helped her to save dhasarath in war against Sambarasura. So she was brought up with a challenging attitude (some say she was like her mother). This stubborn mentality which was hurt by the words and action of dhasarath forced her to ask such boons. Though I am not supporting her greedy behaviour, it was the circumstances which pushed her to do so.

Coming to King qualities, Dhasarath was more of warrior king whereas Janak was a saint. This differentiates the way they ruled and taken care of their children.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Yes Gargi and Sita was a beauty. Especially Sita telling , I would love to be in jungle. It is so peaceful. Kind of anticipating her future.
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@Ramya I would say Dasrath was more about controlling Purusharth or Dharma, Artha, Kama or he had an ego that he owned Purusharth. That's why he says it is just because of him the 4 sons were born.
Whereas Purusharth followed Janak or rather he was never a slave to wealth or power. He had the knowledge to use both wealth and power for the right purpose.
And you need to know Knowledge, Wealth and Power are denoted by female deities. Saraswati, Lakshmi and Shakthi. Saraswati is said to be lupt or antarvahini while the other two are seen with the respective spouses Vishnu and Shankar.
Lakshmi sits at Vishnu's feet showing Vishnu's knowledge that he should not bow down before wealth, but wealth should bow down in front of him. And with a man like Vishnu who has the knowledge that he should not be following wealth Lakshmi also has her identity.
Same with Shanker. Shakthi is a part of him. He is a man who has the knowledge if he tries to destroy Shakthi he will be destroying himself. So she has to be respected and loved if he has to survive. And again with such a man Shakthi also has the identity.
And we need to know one thing. Only Saraswati is worshipped in earth not Brahma. That means if a woman wants her identity she should have the knowledge to choose a man who is not a slave to wealth and who treats her as part of him.
Only such a man can enjoy Purusharth in real sense. Because knowledge, wealth and power will work for his benefit. The one who thinks he can control Purusharth will lose it anyways one day.
Also that's why a woman like Sumitra is very important, who has the knowledge what to preserve, what to destroy. Because Kausalya tries to preserve everything. She wanted a son, but couldn't give her daughter also. Kaikeyi wants justice, revenge but the fire is going to burn down everything. But Sumitra insulates certain part so that fire doesn't take it down.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Shruthi: Yes, Dhasarath was shown as egoistic and as male chauvinist unlike Janak. But is Dhasarath was actually been like that. If so, how come Lord Vishnu chose him to be his father? Then why Parasuram didn't attack dhasarath? I don't get this rendering of dhasarath.

Coming to Saraswathi temple, yes we don't celebrate any festival for brahma but he is worshipped in some parts of India (instead of knowing he is the cause of our birth😉).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahma_Temple,_Pushkar

Unfortunately in today's world, knowledge bow down in front of wealth and power

I totally agree with what u mentioned about sumitra.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Ramya read Arshics post yesterday. She had put forth the points more beautifully about Dasrath. Coming on why Lord Vishnu choose Dasrath as his father, he came to gave a message. And if he have to cleanse the world, the cleansing has to start from home. Dasrath was polygamous but all 4 sons of his chose monogamy. That itself is a change. Vishnu was born to bring the change and for bringing the change he chose Ayodhya. Where rules were there, but the right implementation was not happening. But Ram changes through love and compassion through empathy. Whereas Krishna if you see, he cleanses his family of adharma with murder by killing Kamsa. Ram too become the indirect cause of destruction in his family as he decides to go for vanvass which results in the death of Dasrath. The pain indirectly his father gave to his mothers, in his own gentle way he does give it to Dasrath, by sticking to obey the vachan. If you look he calms Prakriti or Kaikeyi with his decision, anything else would have resulted in mayhem. He pays the price of his father not understanding Prakriti,nature or woman. And it is a lesson to everyman who decides to go against nature That's why Sita banishment looks like a thorn for me now. Such emphatic person how can he send his wife like that, that too when she is pregnant. How did that flaw happen to Maryada purushottam.
And Ramya even today knowledge need not bow down before wealth and power, it just has to create the illusion of bowing down, waiting for the right time. 😃. Believe me the real knowledge will always save you.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Ramya read Arshics post yesterday. She had put forth the points more beautifully about Dasrath. Coming on why Lord Vishnu choose Dasrath as his father, he came to gave a message. And if he have to cleanse the world, the cleansing has to start from home. Dasrath was polygamous but all 4 sons of his chose monogamy. That itself is a change. Vishnu was born to bring the change and for bringing the change he chose Ayodhya. Where rules were there, but the right implementation was not happening. But Ram changes through love and compassion through empathy. Whereas Krishna if you see, he cleanses his family of adharma with murder by killing Kamsa. Ram too become the indirect cause of destruction in his family as he decides to go for vanvass which results in the death of Dasrath. The pain indirectly his father gave to his mothers, in his own gentle way he does give it to Dasrath, by sticking to obey the vachan. If you look he calms Prakriti or Kaikeyi with his decision, anything else would have resulted in mayhem. He pays the price of his father not understanding Prakriti,nature or woman. And it is a lesson to everyman who decides to go against nature That's why Sita banishment looks like a thorn for me now. Such emphatic person how can he send his wife like that, that too when she is pregnant. How did that flaw happen to Maryada purushottam.

And Ramya even today knowledge need not bow down before wealth and power, it just has to create the illusion of bowing down, waiting for the right time. 😃. Believe me the real knowledge will always save you.


@bold: I will read it.
@blue: Even parasuram obeyed his father as Ram, but the end result is totally different. So in a way Ram wanted to punish dhasarath for his wrongs, but this led to the sorrows of his mothers not just kaikeyi. Is it not injustice to kaushalya and sumitra who lost their husband and son at the same time?
@green: Exactly, this is what is more interesting to see the serial, to know how sita react to this.
@pink: I also said the same statements during my stage of studies. Now as a researcher, I know that this world is not for us.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Ramya the problem with justice is that even when one is punished, everyone associated with it also will get affected. That is the thing we have to know about revenge or justice. It happens. Even God cannot prevent that. Because questions were not raised at the right time.
Kausalya held the power to say Dasrath should not send girls from Ayodhya to Rishisringa for getting a son. She didn't. Neither did Kaikeyi or Sumitra. Yes king had the authority, but Queen had the power to take a stand against it. Because what happened to girls of Ayodhya was adharma and all 3 queens were directly or indirectly responsible for it. Because they all one way or other wanted son or child or whatever. Shanta became Rishisringa's wife. What about other girls who went, who might have died for the royal family to get a heir. How many families would have cried in silence and who knows how many father's how many mothers died in the sorrow. The whole thing of doing Putrakamesthi Yajna has to be paid back by royal family with interest for the people of Ayodhya. And queens were part of it. So they too has to pay.
Even in Mahabharath Pandavas all children die in the war. Reason their mistake extracted a heavy price from the people of hastinapur and the entire Aryavarth. What every family suffered in Aryavarth losing their sons and husbands they too has to suffer. Action has to happen at the right time Ramya, else when it happens the destruction will be more. Each oppourtunity lost to question adharma, remember we are bringing in more destruction.
And the last line I said it holds true in real life. There was a time I used to apply it unknowingly. But now I apply it knowingly.
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Ramya the problem with justice is that even when one is punished, everyone associated with it also will get affected. That is the thing we have to know about revenge or justice. It happens. Even God cannot prevent that. Because questions were not raised at the right time.

Kausalya held the power to say Dasrath should not send girls from Ayodhya to Rishisringa for getting a son. She didn't. Neither did Kaikeyi or Sumitra. Yes king had the authority, but Queen had the power to take a stand against it. Because what happened to girls of Ayodhya was adharma and all 3 queens were directly or indirectly responsible for it. Because they all one way or other wanted son or child or whatever. Shanta became Rishisringa's wife. What about other girls who went, who might have died for the royal family to get a heir. How many families would have cried in silence and who knows how many father's how many mothers died in the sorrow. The whole thing of doing Putrakamesthi Yajna has to be paid back by royal family with interest for the people of Ayodhya. And queens were part of it. So they too has to pay.
Even in Mahabharath Pandavas all children die in the war. Reason their mistake extracted a heavy price from the people of hastinapur and the entire Aryavarth. What every family suffered in Aryavarth losing their sons and husbands they too has to suffer. Action has to happen at the right time Ramya, else when it happens the destruction will be more. Each oppourtunity lost to question adharma, remember we are bringing in more destruction.
And the last line I said it holds true in real life. There was a time I used to apply it unknowingly. But now I apply it knowingly.


@bold: This is where I have the problem. Why can't God the supremo above all can just save the people who followed drama?
@blue: Satisfying reply shruthi. agreed.
@pink: Yes. I have a related question. When all the kids of aryavath were killed in the war, krishna told its required to establish the drama. But why krishna gave life to arjun when Babruvahana killed him for a valid reason? Was Arjun not wrong in the context of chitrangada?
@red: Let me hope that, I too feel this one day

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