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Posted: 6 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: Rhimjhimsawan

I had bad experience with a violent ex so any sort of manhandling during a heated exchange gets me scared. It's not even about hurting the person physically, it's about creating a situation where the person is scared. So pushing her, slamming her against wall, against her will, hitting/punching the wall etc triggers me. My ex had a habit of yelling at me and then breaking things. It used to terrify me. Both Kunal and Ishaan are wrong for doing these things and no one should try to justify such behavior. ITV writers need to step out of their cave and realize cavemen behavior is not attractive.

@FruitToasty I completely agree with you that he was wrong to say she had no right to end this alone. Of course she has a right to end it for herself. But she should be decent enough to give him an explanation. Even if it is a fake one because she is too maahan to come between mom and son. She owes him one. And I don't understand why she is hiding it. She doesn't have to be blunt. It's not like the mom is breaking the marriage. It's Mauli who is breaking it because she doesn't like the conditions. She can say she doesn't agree with the things the mom expects so it won't work out. Ishaan is not an idiot. He knows it's something related to it.

Did you anyone notice how there is lot of Mishti talk going on? When she was talking to the mom, Mishti was brought up. And he brought up Mishti as well. Mishti is the glue between Ishaan and Mauli. The biggest reason why Mauli wanted to marry him was Mishti. Kind of funny because she didn't want Kunal to stay with her because of Mishti. She didn't want the child to be that glue or reason. But when it comes to Ishaan, Mishti is primarily that reason why Mauli chose to be with ishaan. She wanted to complete Mishti's family.


@bold -- true and i agree and really appreciate that people are agreeing on things like manhandling shouldnt be there in cliched tv scenes and about mauli owes him an explanation..

regarding last paragraph.. this is the twist.. 😆
this will come up one day..
no no. i am not saying that mauli will have to marry ishaan for mishti's sake or she needs a glue/reason to marry him..
but this will be used as a twist someday.
lets wait to find out that..

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Posted: 6 years ago
#32
Ishaan didn't take decision for both when they decided to get married. It was mutual decision. He didn't force himself and forcefully put the ring on her hand. The engagement was also mutual. Mouli avoiding ishaan's calls is like a bit childish to me. What she thinks, if she doesn't pick the phones the matter will get solved next day. He came to her and she gave ring back.. agar nahi toh Kya? Breaking engagement is okey. But it only happened when he went there. Actually anyone can do anything. Even after marriage , next day she can give divorce papers to ishaan. And she can decide that for herself. But if the relationship is valuable, and u respect and love the other person, we will definitely explain or ask their opinion on the matter.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Manhandling is a way for itv writers show how much a person loves other. I'm confused. How one can express love by physically hurting the other person. Tv folks got it wrong. And this tradition of showing this kind of "love" trending nowadays.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I too hate manhandling. But this is the way TV serials in almost every channel show romance...and there are viewers who have goose bumps seeing these scenes . They find it as passion, hot etc. So may be this is the reason they used it.
Now comes to Mauli and Ishan or should Mauli break up with Ishan because of his mom. Let us think of Mauli without Kunal. There is a new show in SAB TV , I guess "Om Mangalam" or something like that. There was a situation where the hero asks his Dad what he would do as his mother too told him not to see the heroine. His Dad replied this way" Your mom thinks sweet is not good for me. So I don't eat sweet in front of her. But that doesn't mean I don't eat sweet. I eat secretly. So if you love that girl you will find a way to be with her. "
If Mauli loves Ishan...these all things are just craps. That sasuma lives away from Mumbai. How will she know what Mauli is doing here in Mumbai???? Ishan is sacrificing and tolerating many things too. He is not leaving Mauli when it comes to adjustment with her condition. She saw Nandini and Kunal together she broke down. Ishan let her work with Kunal and accepted every demand of her. So why can't she? The problem is that she doesn't love Ishan and she is still haunted by her past which doesn't exist anymore.
I would never say she still loves Kunal. She made a Halwa cake and when Kunal tried to be normal...she taunted him regarding the past. She is still living in her grudges. She never really reacted or punished Kunal. Punishing a person who was wrong with you helps you to heal. Mauli is only denying the truth. No one can runaway from Truth. Kunal is changed. He doesn't love her anymore. Now "Why? Why?" will not solve her problem. Just like her she is making Ishan another Mauli. And making Mishti too another Mauli "Why Daddy left me?" next "why didn't you marry popsi?"
But I will go for the break up. Not because of Mauli but for Ishan. He loves her, he loves her made up mom/dida and her daughter too. How more a man can show his love after all these? Cut his heart? It's better for Ishan to leave. Mauli loves her sorrow and past. A past where no one lives now...not even Kunal.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Too many replies, the consensus is that Ishaan loves Mauli and she should not break up with him without a reason...

Is Ishaan really that dumb? Matlab if someone has a brain and he can think enough to put two and two together then it's alarmingly clear that she broke up with him after she met his mom, his mom is the reason. It's right there, Mauli's meeting with his mom wasn't a secret, if it was a secret and he did not know that they have met and his mom has demanded something really big from Mauli, I would have considered his side but not in a case where his mom was leaving the house and was mad about Kunal and his family's existence in Mauli's life...What else can be THE REASON?

Kunal and Mauli's relationship can not be compared with Ishaan and Mauli's relationship. Maunal were in relationship for 7 years, they had active sexual life with ILUs till Kunal decided that falling in Nandini's bed is better than falling in love with Mauli...

Ishaan and Mauli are not even close in terms of a relationship, Mauli can't even kiss him, how will she sleep with him? It's not like Ishaan doesn't know this, he knows that Mauli does not love him, she is not comfortable with him and you know what even if they get married, he won't enjoy a happy married life with a reluctant wife, in current scenario, this break up is a good thing because Ishaan and Mauli are not a good match for each other, there has to be compatibility between husband and wife.
I don't understand how people are advocating that Mauli should marry Ishan because he loves her or because Mishti loves him... So she should go from one bad marriage to another one which is destined to fail because there is nothing, so Mauli should sleep with Ishaan after marriage even if she does not want it? Or Ishaan will hold back till Mauli is ready and it could be years... Is that a marriage? Is that what marriage is about? This is a very dysfunctional relationship, their unhappiness will affect Mishti too... You don't marry for kids, you don't marry just because someone loves you, you marry because there is mutual understanding, compatibility and love. Just because Mauli is a mother doesn't mean her life has no meaning except taking care of Mishti, being a mother is a part of her life, it's not her life..


When it comes to manhandling and ITV, I don't understand why do we take it as something that happens, shouldn't this not happen? Why support men who manhandle women? Itv won't stop it because you see women on forum are supporting Ishaan and Kunal manhandling Mauli. There's no need to stop it as long as people think it's okay, tomorrow if after marriage Ishaan forces himself on Mauli that would be OK too because it was passionate and "Why did she marry him if she didn't want to sleep with him?" Even Indian laws don't acknowledge marital rape as something wrong or even as ground for divorce..

You see in all this Mauli's consent, her happiness is of no importance, this is a very stifling situation

@Anahi - No Ishaan has no right on Mauli and Mishti, because they are humans, you don't have any rights on humans, Mauli and Mishti are individuals, Ishaan can have expectations not rights...
Right = Moral or legal entitlement to have something or to do something
Mauli or Mishti are not his slaves, humans are not property to be owned against their wish...
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I think Maulis residual feelings for Kunal is holding her back from loving Ishaan. She knows that Ishaan is a great guy ...all the characters in the show say that Ishaan is a wonderful guy..so I suppose he must be. But her residual feelings for Kunal is not Just some love ..there's a lot of anger, questions and confusion . She's angry with him for spoiling the life she had with him and she hasn't forgiven him. So all these feelings are preventing her from loving Ishaan. Maybe they will show her finally getting past these feelings, forgiving Kunal and then moving on. because at the moment she's still stuck in this despair.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Indira1211

I think Maulis residual feelings for Kunal is holding her back from loving Ishaan. She knows that Ishaan is a great guy ...all the characters in the show say that Ishaan is a wonderful guy..so I suppose he must be. But her residual feelings for Kunal is not Just some love ..there's a lot of anger, questions and confusion . She's angry with him for spoiling the life she had with him and she hasn't forgiven him. So all these feelings are preventing her from loving Ishaan. Maybe they will show her finally getting past these feelings, forgiving Kunal and then moving on. because at the moment she's still stuck in this despair.


if thats the issue than she would not have been jealous of mehek 😆

yes she demands an answer from kunu but at the same she never stop loving him...she is the same women who forgive that jerk pre-leap and wanted to give chance to him...thats not her residual feeling...its jazzbaat jazzbaat hotein hai justification...😆...she was in love with kunu and is still in love with him after his betrayal...in our eyes its wrong how can a women still love her cheater hubby but in silsila world mauli in love with kunu is either right or wrong...its a emotions of love where there is no right n wrong

regards to ishaan...she loves ishaan but as a friend...companionship n mishti father...not romantically...

she first needs to get rid of the theory of love happens once out of her life...her theory is what holding her back...

even if she get rid of her past and marry ishaan...its doesn't guarantee she will love ishaan just becos he is a great guy...ishaan can do anything for her but she still will see as a friend...love needs to happen...it should not be forced

Mauhaan relationship reminds me of maya-rohan of KANK...rohan was a great guy like ishaan and they were married for many years...rohan loves her and can do anything for her but maya did not love him...she only see him as a friend...a companion...

residual feelings...moving on is all excuse...sometimes even when people move on from their past...love doesn't happen to them no matter how a great guy they got in their lives...
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Mages


if thats the issue than she would not have been jealous of mehek 😆

yes she demands an answer from kunu but at the same she never stop loving him...she is the same women who forgive that jerk pre-leap and wanted to give chance to him...thats not her residual feeling...its jazzbaat jazzbaat hotein hai justification...😆...she was in love with kunu and is still in love with him after his betrayal...in our eyes its wrong how can a women still love her cheater hubby but in silsila world mauli in love with kunu is either right or wrong...its a emotions of love where there is no right n wrong

regards to ishaan...she loves ishaan but as a friend...companionship n mishti father...not romantically...

she first needs to get rid of the theory of love happens once out of her life...her theory is what holding her back...

even if she get rid of her past and marry ishaan...its doesn't guarantee she will love ishaan just becos he is a great guy...ishaan can do anything for her but she still will see as a friend...love needs to happen...it should not be forced

Mauhaan relationship reminds me of maya-rohan of KANK...rohan was a great guy like ishaan and they were married for many years...rohan loves her and can do anything for her but maya did not love him...she only see him as a friend...a companion...

residual feelings...moving on is all excuse...sometimes even when people move on from their past...love doesn't happen to them no matter how a great guy they got in their lives...

😆lol it's a fictional Show ...so the writers will decide which direction they will send the characters in. Today Mauli May love Kunal but tomorrow she may decide that she wants to put him behind her and move on with Ishaan . So let's wait and see what they will give us ..😆
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: FruitToasty

Too many replies, the consensus is that Ishaan loves Mauli and she should not break up with him without a reason...
she can break up with him but if she is doing in some majboori then ishaan has every right to fight for them.. its not for him..


Is Ishaan really that dumb? Matlab if someone has a brain and he can think enough to put two and two together then it's alarmingly clear that she broke up with him after she met his mom, his mom is the reason. It's right there, Mauli's meeting with his mom wasn't a secret, if it was a secret and he did not know that they have met and his mom has demanded something really big from Mauli, I would have considered his side but not in a case where his mom was leaving the house and was mad about Kunal and his family's existence in Mauli's life...What else can be THE REASON?

the reason of this break up is not ishaan's mother disliking for mauli's relationship with her ex but the reason is her deman.. of course ishaan's knows what can be the problem. but certainly he doesnt know about THE DEMAND/DEAL.. imagine if u havent seen the scene where ishaan's mom tells mauli tjat she will have to break ties with dida radhika. can u assume all by urself that she had made this deal?? can ishaan imagine wjat his mother has said that mauli has to break the ties..


Kunal and Mauli's relationship can not be compared with Ishaan and Mauli's relationship. Maunal were in relationship for 7 years, they had active sexual life with ILUs till Kunal decided that falling in Nandini's bed is better than falling in love with Mauli...

Ishaan and Mauli are not even close in terms of a relationship, Mauli can't even kiss him, how will she sleep with him? It's not like Ishaan doesn't know this, he knows that Mauli does not love him, she is not comfortable with him and you know what even if they get married, he won't enjoy a happy married life with a reluctant wife, in current scenario, this break up is a good thing because Ishaan and Mauli are not a good match for each other, there has to be compatibility between husband and wife.

now this is really weird.. ishaan and mauli isnt close??? they are not close in terms of physical closeness.. but the girl is going to marry him ; have known him for years, let her child call him father, what else do u want them to do?? she herself said we are a family..

does only physical closeness matters??
and why to worry about the furture when we all know that makers are never gonna show that mauli is reluctant and is going to marry him. if she will marry him she definitely has something for him if not romantic love, and who knows by the end we see her telling him that she hasnt realised till date but she loves him.


I don't understand how people are advocating that Mauli should marry Ishan because he loves her or because Mishti loves him...
So she should go from one bad marriage to another one which is destined to fail because there is nothing, so Mauli should sleep with Ishaan after marriage even if she does not want it? Or Ishaan will hold back till Mauli is ready and it could be years... Is that a marriage? Is that what marriage is about? This is a very dysfunctional relationship, their unhappiness will affect Mishti too... You don't marry for kids, you don't marry just because someone loves you, you marry because there is mutual understanding, compatibility and love. Just because Mauli is a mother doesn't mean her life has no meaning except taking care of Mishti, being a mother is a part of her life, it's not her life..

@red - nobody said that she SHOULD marry him just bcz he loves her.. !! people are saying she isnt realising her feelings for him or may be she is holding her feelings back fearing of her past experiences.. may be she is scared to love again.. nobody wants her to forcefully get married to him. nobody!!

When it comes to manhandling and ITV, I don't understand why do we take it as something that happens, shouldn't this not happen? Why support men who manhandle women? Itv won't stop it because you see women on forum are supporting Ishaan and Kunal manhandling Mauli. There's no need to stop it as long as people think it's okay, tomorrow if after marriage Ishaan forces himself on Mauli that would be OK too because it was passionate and "Why did she marry him if she didn't want to sleep with him?" Even Indian laws don't acknowledge marital rape as something wrong or even as ground for divorce..

You see in all this Mauli's consent, her happiness is of no importance, this is a very stifling situation

her happiness matters!! and she did not say ITS OVER bcz she was UNHAPPY with the relastionship.. her reasons are different..


@Anahi - No Ishaan has no right on Mauli and Mishti, because they are humans, you don't have any rights on humans, Mauli and Mishti are individuals, Ishaan can have expectations not rights...
Right = Moral or legal entitlement to have something or to do something
Mauli or Mishti are not his slaves, humans are not property to be owned against their wish..

i cant even say that it is a matter of perspectives!! u are dismissing all the theories of human evolution by humans have no right on one another.. its not adam eve era where there were no sense of belongingness, where there were no responsibilities, no expectations and obviously i am not talking about human rights (legal or moral) "right" = adhikaar and its not only legal or moral.. there is a sense of belongingness too. i am talking about emotional aspects of ishaan mauli's relationship.. its same if i am angry and tell my mom "no! u dont have any rights on me , stop telling me things" is she supposed to do that?? and if she was reasonable he would have given up on her.. if she had told him she doesnt feel for him then he would have not..


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First of all, we have to understand that this break up is NOT permanent, if it was then Kinshuk would have left the show, which is not the case. From the story point of view Mauli can't tell him the whole truth because she does not want to create differences between Ishaan and his mother, which is pretty understandable, I have stated reasons in my original post.

I would say it again that Ishaan knows the reason is something his mom said to Mauli, if I didn't see what exactly happened and I knew that Mauli met his mom then still it would have been OBVIOUS considering Ishaan's mom was mad about Kunal coming to Mauli's house, she even told Ishaan that she doesn't like that Mauli is living with Kunal's family, it's like right there, unless the man is question is a potato like Kunal, at least Kunal goes on jasusi spree when he suspects something...


Coming to relationship between Ishaan and Mauli... I was just pointing out that Maunal's relationship is way different from Ishan and Mauli's relationship and their situations can not be compared, Mauli broke up with Ishaan, but Kunal cheated on Mauli...there's a huge difference..


About Physical relationship then it is what makes a relationship more than platonic. There is a reason Ishaan wants to marry Mauli, if all he wanted was Mauli in his life, then he could have been her brother and Mishti's mamu, but he is obviously attracted to her and wants more than a platonic relationship. Again, Mauli might change towards him in future but in current scenario she can't even kiss him...

As I am reading post I can see how people are not able to understand that in current situation, Mauli like every individual has the right to decide her future, it's her life, people who like Ishaan want her to choose Ishaan and if she gives indications that she doesn't love him, they insult her and people who want Kunal in her life are blaming her for Kunal's mistakes... But what about Mauli? If today she decides she doesn't want either of them, would that be so terrible?

I would reiterate that humans don't have rights on each other, I would go crazy if people tell me that they have rights on me, no bhai, I am not anyone's slave. None has any rights on any other human. Parents have rights to take care of their children, that too is limited to a certain age. I don't think "Right" is the correct word to use, Ishaan can have expectations but not rights

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