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Posted: 13 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: Chitrashi



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For your Dad and Mom.



Thank you.
They are my inspiration...they always say you have the social responsibility to study and do best not only for yourself but all others for whom you will set example( those in my village )
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: misty85


Well if you are talking about fake documents then even fake degrees are also sold in various states... don't people fake their educational qualifications... I'm sure you are not aware of the government process involved in getting such a certificate.


no I m not talking about fake document .. der are some ppl who belongs to SC category who don't need the facility of reservation system .. I strongly oppose ds reservation system based on caste.. der sud be nothing just nothing based on caste .. ds reservation system is a way to not let forget us ds caste system .. n RESERVATION sud be based on affordability n poverty only
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: misty85


Well if you are talking about fake documents then even fake degrees are also sold in various states... don't people fake their educational qualifications... I'm sure you are not aware of the government process involved in getting such a certificate.



Preparing fake documents can happen anywhere...we cannot rule this out that some people will definitely take undue advantage of this...

Once My dad had a case like a doc was caught in some negligence case...later in investigation it was found she has obtained fake 10th and 12th certificate fro varanasi univ...
So she was snatched from her doc degree...
So people practicing such cheating thing, can always be prepared for worse case head
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Such a fascinating topic! Thanks Chitrashi!


I was clueless about caste till I was in the eighth grade. My parents were traveling and my brother and I were living with my grandparents so that our schooling wouldn't be interrupted. When a new family moved into the neighborhood, I became friends with the daughter. A bunch of us were invited to her house one evening and as we were eating and drinking, my friend's grandmother suddenly started asking us what caste we belonged to. I was the only one who didn't know. I remember feeling terribly embarrassed and ashamed as though it were something so elementary, so obvious that I ought have known the answer to!

I rushed home and asked my grandpa. He explained and after that I started to notice how everything was inflected by caste...names, clothing, eating habits...I became intensely curious about this system and my grandpa put me on a course of reading. And I concluded that this was the most uniquely discriminatory system that had been developed by any human society.

My family doesn't observe these things but it was ALL around me! I also realized much later that even though my family was progressive about these things, we lived in a neighborhood that was largely homogenous in terms of caste. People treated their domestic help well, but of course they had separate utensils...most people would say it was for hygiene reasons! Yeah right!




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Posted: 13 years ago
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Re manusmriti.

There is a lot of great research (mostly by scholars of colonial india) that shows that the British administrative zeal played a key role in reviving texts like the Manusmriti ... i.e. the reception and use of the text must be historicized...

PS. Really impressed that Aamir Khan decided to tackle caste!! 👏
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: say.maaneet




no I m not talking about fake document .. der are some ppl who belongs to SC category who don't need the facility of reservation system .. I strongly oppose ds reservation system based on caste.. der sud be nothing just nothing based on caste .. ds reservation system is a way to not let forget us ds caste system .. n RESERVATION sud be based on affordability n poverty only


Well I understand your POV. Some people do take advantage of it... but there are lot many people who are still suffering... & I personally believe why include only SC, ST & OBC... reservation should be given on the basis of economic conditions of the people & should be extended to all economically weak people.
Sometimes genuine people can't take advantage of it while others who are are economically strong take unnecessary advantage of it... but system can be manipulated at any stage...

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Well I loved the Justice... his words were really true... & humorous.
If we stop asking people what is your surname half of the discrimination would end there. 😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Chitrashi,

A brilliant post!

Well, today's episode was such an emotional and a slap for our society that continues to dwell in the bubble of "Ab assa nahi hota". Had all my family members in tears, and a standing ovation to Jai Prakash , father of the Sanskrit Prof who raised his children so well!

I was enlightened about this topic pretty young by my dearest Dadima, since we belong to the so-called Brahmin caste and how during pre-independent days this discrimination was rampant, she told me it was inhuman and there is nothin religious or ethical about it. There has never been any discrimination for people who work for us , rather the best caste my dadi has given to us is of humanity.SHe runs a doctrine in the house that everyone has to watch SMJ so atleast somethin would remain in that head.
During my schooling and grad that I did in India, I never encountered any such incidents and never bothered who I was friends with.SO it took three external incidents which shook me like never before:-

Once as the editor of my college mag, I was searching for a topic for the editorial, was going through the newspaper when I saw the matrimonial columns, curiousity or probably something hit me and i looked up and saw adv asking for various caste, It gave me a feeling of disgust and then few goggle hits and interviews with students of these so called lower caste made me realize that how subtly but aggressively this practice is not only spreading but flourishing.

Second, was when a neighbour, a DU prof, met Dadima and me in a park and was boasting how they have separate low quality food and utensils for their maid , and how her son treats the maid, we were appalled and numb , walked back home and dadima made me call a nearby NGO to report the incident and she sponsored her education and her marriage later on.

Third, was the most impactful, coz it took an outsider to remind me that irrespective of any development , my country, India would always be demarked for casteism . When I went for my Masters overseas about 2+ years back, on my 1st day there, a brazilian flatmate asked my name and said oh so you are brahmin, bet you had all the perks back home, I felt ashamed, impure and disgusted that how my country is still bound by this black spot ,can never forget this incident ever.

It pains me to see that educated, rich and those with all means who overlook and say "ab kaha hota hai ye saab" would behind close doors continue it.
The great lady that my dadi has always mentioned that every new generation loves to blame the previous one for all the wrongs of society, but continue to practice them, willingly in the name of so-called traditions.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: charminggenie

Chitrashi,


The great lady that my dadi has always mentioned that every new generation loves to blame the previous one for all the wrongs of society, but continue to practice them, willingly in the name of so-called traditions.



Aren't you all sick and tired of this word "tradition"...I am!

Invoking it seems to end all discussion and debate.

It's our "tradition". bas. end of story.

ummm...no...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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On a lighter note-here is what is happening in our little village-

A lot of the "higher caste" land owners are selling their land for unimaginably high prices and the spoilt sons are blowing it up on the fanciest,most expensive cars available-doesn't matter a wit that the village doesn't boast of a rudimentary road.There is a sharp dip in the pagdandi that pretends to be a road-just in front of our house.So our tranquility is often broken by one of the young tearaways slamming on the brakes too late.This happened once too often and I complained about it aloud,saying there is going to be a bad accident one of these days.The lady who cleans for us over heard me and said with a sneer,"Hainji paise toh aagaye,lekin killass toh nahin khareedi jasakti hai na?"

REVERSE CASTEISM,WHAT?!

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