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Posted: 11 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

Kusum has officially touched the nadir. Now can't go down anymore. That maniac. She thinks everything is in her control.


I just want her to face vc now. And guniyal. Ofcourse saras has to come in front of her. See how she throws the tantrums only on kumud and danny. Time for saras to face her and give her the pasting that she deserves. He explained danny today. Looks like Danny understood him.


I don't really care much about that complicated relationship of saras n kumud at this point. More interested to see how danny handles this n what saras says to kusum.


Now Danny is her kismet and she needs to give it a chance. Even if it was by deceit. She needs to get that kismet dialogues right in her face. Btw so far she didn't questions anti, saras Haan. Wah. He cheated her. And no one explicitly tell her that he is not interested in her. Because that pea sized brain can't receive it. What more does he need to do to show kusum n also kumud that he can't do this.
I wish saras kusum showdown comes soon like tomorrow.


Now coming to kumud. She says he couldn't make a samjhauta. He has to make samjhauta with values, morals, love, relationships, brother n life? Yuck.

Saras is getting more right in my eyes now. Mohan's rishta broke. Things needed to be fixed fast. Uss waqt ek ek kar ke sab ko confidence mein lega kya. Aur wo bhi inn pagalon ko.


Aur Danny Kam pagal nahin hai. He put saras in a spot by harping on marrying kusum. Sneaked into the haveli shamelessly and saras had to come. Danny ko uss pagalpan mein convince karna almost naamumkin thaa. He wasn't ready to believe even today.


Ek ek karke sab ko confidence mein lena? No way. Each of them is a maaahir. kumud, kusum n danny. In creating trouble and in not trying to understand what he would he have been trying to say.



Santhi kya face VC and Guniyal, Guniyal knew it, and she kind of condoned it, she was not repulsed by this.

What kusum saw from Guniyal and Kumud's reaction is a dilemma that only one of them can 'have' Saras.

Not once a reaction that it is REPULSIVE, IMMORAL and UNACCEPTABLE that she should eye her sisters lover .

Even now no one sees kusums very feelings as wrong - the buniyad is galat, till the Desais see that they will blame Saras

The solution must be found within the framework of Saras and Kumud love each other, and kusums feelings for Saras are in that context not realizable .

Yeh akal kahan hai Desais main ?
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Posted: 11 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: smrth


Viewers' reaction is bringing an interesting comparison and parallels. How the Saras-Kusum marriage fails the ethics, and readers' summary rejection thereof- Greatest touchstone a work can have. This fall-out is also witnessed on characters' standings in the ending. In book, all the important characters fall from their great evolution/development at this juncture. Both parents, including brilliant 'Guniyal' fail the wont- in permitting this marriage. Kusum, less so initially, for resisting, but invariably falling in its eventual acceptance. Kumud, though forced, also fails on a level of justice. For enforcing a loveless marriage on her sister. For the dialogues we are witnessing here on Saras- 'I would have never been able to make her conjugal happy'- are representation of actual aftermath as described in the book. He and Kusum are perusing ascetic life! And still, Saraswtichandra fails there as 'hero' of the tale. Esp. vis. Kumud. But look at the direct reverse here. Saras rises as greater hero in its refusal. And Kumud sinks an insensitive errant in its insistence. Base fabric of the story is simply not permitting it. Readers' reaction/rejection is the greatest indictment and verdict.


You are right smrth.. Maybe if I had read the book I would have been more upset with Saras than Kumud.. But the way things are playing out in the show, they are in a way glorifying Saras and justifying the title of the show- he is the one standing tall against all odds, even Kumud. Kumd had done a wonderful job in fighting back Pramad after the fire incident but she lost her way once she came back to her family.. Her fierce love and protectiveness, duty towards her family, whatever you choose to call it, clouds her judgement all the time.. When Saras is repeatedly putting forth the incident of his mother committing suicide because of a loveless marriage she was stuck in, which literally changed the whole course of his life..even Kumud had to deal with the aftermath of that incident in a way, when Saras rejected her..how can she shrug it off so casually.. ??!!! How can she not trust the guy if he says that he can never love Kusum the way she deserves to be loved.. Even if I ignore the fact that they are ''soulmates'' who know each other's pulse, can she imagine herself making an attempt to fall in love with Danny, had he made this kind of a bizarre demand, that he wants to marry Kumud?

I do not think Saras made a mistake in not telling about the last minute swap to anyone.. Yes he should have told Danny..! Knowing this mad family, Kumud and company would have never approved of this anyway and Kusum would have found a knife again.. That girl has set new standards today.. How insensitive she was towards Danny when she yelled at him and said that she doesn't love him, but loves his brother instead.. So the morpank landing in Danny's hand is a coincidence and rest are all ''dosti ki nishani'' but Kumud getting stuck with Pramad is her kismat.. Bravo! How I wish Danny had hit her square across the face.. What if he had grabbed a knife and slit his wrist ? Can we expect the Desai's to reprimand Kusum in that case , who is mollycoddled all the time for no reason.. Again, this whole mess has only one solution - Saras talking to Kusum, but looks like they are not gonna make it happen anytime soon or maybe Saras is scared to confront that pschyco..
Edited by vaishali-AR - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: vaishali-AR


You are right smrth.. Maybe if I had read the book I would have been more upset that Saras than Kumud.. But the way things are playing out in the show, they are in a way glorifying Saras and justifying the title of the show- he is the one standing tall against all odds, even Kumud. Kumd had done a wonderful job in fighting back Pramad after the fire incident but she lost her way once she came back to her family.. Her fierce love and protectiveness, duty towards her family, whatever you choose to call it, clouds her judgement all the time.. When Saras is repeatedly putting forth the incident of his mother committing suicide because of a loveless marriage she was stuck in, which literally changed the whole course of his life..even Kumud had to deal with the aftermath of that incident in a way, when Saras rejected her..how can she shrug it off so casually.. ??!!! How can she not trust the guy if he says that he can never love Kusum the way she deserves to be loved.. Even if I ignore the fact that they are ''soulmates'' who know each other's pulse, can she imagine herself making an attempt to fall in love with Danny, had he made this kind of a bizarre demand, that he wants to marry Kumud?

I do not think Saras made a mistake in not telling about the last minute swap to anyone.. Yes he should have told Danny..! Knowing this mad family, Kumud and company would have never approved of this anyway and Kusum would have found a knife again.. That girl has set new standards today.. How insensitive she was towards Danny when she yelled at him and said that she doesn't love him, but loves his brother instead.. So the morpank landing in Danny's hand is a coincidence and rest are all ''dosti ki nishani'' but Kumud getting stuck with Pramad is her kismat.. Bravo! How I wish Danny had hit her square across the face.. What if he had grabbed a knife and slit his wrist ? Can we expect the Desai's to reprimand Kusum in that case , who is mollycoddled all the time for no reason.. Again, this whole mess has only one solution - Saras talking to Kusum, but looks like they are not gonna make it happen anytime soon or maybe Saras is scared to confront that pschyco..


How I love the way both of write, so lucid and easy yet insightful ⭐️
Edited by Arshics - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#54
so true Arshi !!! the whole Desai family are appearing like villains.. How could VC say that Saras will loose his second father if anything happens to Kusum? Nobody pushed Kusum to commit suicide.. who could have VC blamed when she attempted suicide the first time? that time there was no deceit !!!! So am I to believe that VC would'v taken the blame on himself ? for marrying his daughter off to someone she wasn't willing to marry? Fact is suicide is crime..its a criminal offence and I won't generalize circumstances under which people commit suicide, but Kusum definitely uses it as a weapon to get her way.. THAT Guniyal should have understood by now.. and though I love Jennifer and I am sure she is doing her part exactly the way she's been told, but I feel that Kumud's expression when confronting Saras are adding more to my disliking towards her character.. she's being unreasonable, insensitive and completely biased.. I didn't like the way she left Saras when Danny walked out on him.. together they should have worked out a solution.. If Saras did a mistake by not consulting her, she did the same..she forced her decision on him which is equally wrong..
Edited by vaishali-AR - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Vaishali I dont think it was Jen who got it wrong.

I feel the track is meant to show kumuds absorption with society and her family

and her disconnect with saras as a result of that

so if kumud is depicted as harsh and judgemental

its probably what she has been asked to portray
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Posted: 11 years ago
#56

Originally posted by: Arshics

Vaishali I dont think it was Jen who got it wrong.

I feel the track is meant to show kumuds absorption with society and her family

and her disconnect with saras as a result of that

so if kumud is depicted as harsh and judgemental

its probably what she has been asked to portray


I agree. Its according to script. The way she questioned saras today was quite stern n confident.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: Arshics


And meera bai shall reply, mere paas to kamarband, rakhi Kumud didi baandh degi
😆


For any last trace of self respect left, she should see the fact staring her in face.🤢
Also, isn't aiding Arjuna in marrying Subhadra was Kanha's brother prerogative?!😉😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
#58

Originally posted by: Arshics

Vaishali I dont think it was Jen who got it wrong.

I feel the track is meant to show kumuds absorption with society and her family

and her disconnect with saras as a result of that

so if kumud is depicted as harsh and judgemental

its probably what she has been asked to portray


Yesterday I did unthinkable. Criticising Jen for an ungainly assertive delivery on, 'Tumhari Soch hi Galat he'.
Of course writers put this dialogue...but then I substituted 'Star Plus' in place of Saras. Felt much better...😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I have always been a Saras groupie (!) - Kumud was a good thing because she was Saras' dream! Moreover she was portrayed as a spunky young woman with a mind of her own, so she was a pleasure to watch.


Now that Kumud has been reduced by the CV's to an insensitive harridan, I have absolutely no time for her. 😲 What lines they have given her to speak to Saras! I pity Jennifer... Her usually immaculate dialog delivery has slipped a few times recently and I dont blame her - how can anyone take ownership of so much rubbish with any conviction?


There are only so many flaws and flip-flops in any character that one can condone. Kumud is now irredeemable for me ...Consequently, my interest in any sort of Saras-Kumud reconciliation is also minimal... Am sure I'll keep watching as long GR is playing Saras, but with an eye on the clock and the exit door...😳


It's a pity they couldnt find a decent storyline so we could keep our good memories intact... The first time Saras-Kumud were separated, the story was written in a way that we felt for them...I remember the shaadi scene and the day they met again over the havan as so intense...and memorable!


If only there was a criminal provision for murdering a work of art, this PH and this channel, and this bunch of writers(!) would have been goners. Very enlightening that it is Now in top ten shows!🤢


Edited by happychappy - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Arshics

Vaishali I dont think it was Jen who got it wrong.

I feel the track is meant to show kumuds absorption with society and her family

and her disconnect with saras as a result of that

so if kumud is depicted as harsh and judgemental

its probably what she has been asked to portray


You got me wrong Arshi.. I said I am sure Jen is doing exactly what she is being told to do.. Its just that the character is meant to have disconnect with Saras at this point..I know Jen is an actress par excellence..I have always been a fan of her work..but not liking Kumud at this point just like I didn't like Saras when he called off the wedding..
Edited by vaishali-AR - 11 years ago

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