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Posted: 11 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: pasumarthisa


I really wish they show a methodical approach to this. And show a proper way out without resorting to cheap drama.

Pramad being alone doesn't condone anything.

I don't trust makers to be capable of doing it differently than this.


Santhi, pramaad being alone and good and decent doesn't mean anything at all.

They are divorced. Finito. She is now Kumud desai, not dharmadhikari.

Now to get back with pramaad is impossible because now she and Saras have again allowed their love for each to resurface and blossom.

Now if she gets back to pramaad it will be dishonesty and cheating because she is in love with another man.

I hope SP doesn't go down this road, because it is demeaning to the very meaning of love, treating it like a switch that can be turned on or off.

Also the if you love me marry my sister is saying that Saras is no different from her kamarband - an inanimate object, that no matter how special can be given off.

Love is a living breathing relationship between two people and it has to be nurtured and protected and respected, not treated so casually.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: Ad_Mumbai_Girl

Watching SC is becoming a tiring experience for me..


- kumud ke daag ka, mote-mote aasuonka tension

- har din CVs jo analogy denge- patang n dor, diya ko saaf karna, dupatte ka fat jana.. un sab ko understand karne ka tension..

- agar propose karte hua saras ne kuchh galat word use kiya to kumud ke khafa hone ka tension

- if kumud rejects the proposal, saras ke tut jane ka tension

- kusum ke mor pankh ka tension

- if kumari loves danny, uska dil tutane ka tension

- jab danny realizes he is not the first choice for kusum, uss bechare ke hurt hone ka tension..

Am thinking should i continue to expose myself to so much of reel stress... ;)

only saving grace is
- samud scenes with top notch acting (but how i hate it when they intersect Samud scene with some other parallel scene like today's market scene, kusum-gunial scene, kusum witnessing the hug.. pls stop this!!!!)

- plain viewing pleasure given by Gautam

- CB posts and replies

thank god last two never fail to deliver !!


Super post from you Ad. Delightful and so true, we should change the name of CB to tension bytes, and the sp tag line to nayi soch ki nayi tension!

But yes, Gauti is awesome day after day, a total laddoo.

And you are right, CB is amazing day after day, there is so much to read and discuss, new thoughts, new ideas, kabhi light, kabhi deep, kabhi emotional, kabhi logical, but a confluence of posts that are amazing!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: Arshics


Santhi, pramaad being alone and good and decent doesn't mean anything at all.

They are divorced. Finito. She is now Kumud desai, not dharmadhikari.

Now to get back with pramaad is impossible because now she and Saras have again allowed their love for each to resurface and blossom.

Now if she gets back to pramaad it will be dishonesty and cheating because she is in love with another man.

I hope SP doesn't go down this road, because it is demeaning to the very meaning of love, treating it like a switch that can be turned on or off.

Also the if you love me marry my sister is saying that Saras is no different from her kamarband - an inanimate object, that no matter how special can be given off.

Love is a living breathing relationship between two people and it has to be nurtured and protected and respected, not treated so casually.

Totally totally agree.
Mine was a very disjointed reply.
Pramad being alone doesnt condone anything. -- line 2
But line 3 was not meant to be connected to line 2. In line 3 I meant that they are only capable of showing what they are in a cheap way(market scene). I realized after I wrote that post.
Each line of what you said is so correct. But you are right, things can't stoop so low. Kumud can't give Saras in daan to Kusum after opening up her heart to him. And can't go back to Pramad after this.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#54
BTW my views after watching...
VC makes Danny wait for his gift and gives it to his daughters first. Hats off to the hospitality. Waise Desais are known to treat their guests like second grade citizens. I got super upset at that scene.
Saras's line about 'Diye ko tho jalna hi hai. to dispel the darkness created by the daag'. Super line. Their scene was great as usual. Each of their scenes are super-duper hits these days.
But Saras, please ab baatein kam aur kaam zyaada please. Take your time but deliver this time.
The market scene was OTT. I can understand that rishte waali taunting to an extent, but Kalika?
Hgg ji,
The daag symbolism was taken to the extreme here. But Saras's last line was good.
Dugbaa is down and out. She has to extract a promise from saras that Kumud should not face her fate. First LN and then Saras are responsible for this mess.
Kusum's answer is Danny. Shana and Arshi got it right. It cant be Saras. Kumari heard it. So she can correlate.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: mini7

I do think the market scene was a little OTT...but lets face it, families in RN will be gossipong about Kumud's life...it is pretty scandalous by Indian standards...none of the villlagers know or are interested in knowing the depravity of Pramad, and she did come back home with her ex after all...lets face, it tongues will wag, albeit likely not sooo in-your-face...Indian society, even in well-to-do circles is quite conservative/regressive, and this is a small village in Gujarat we are talking about...Its not life in a Metro...

I also understand Kumud's reaction (though the crying again was a little over-dramatic)...she is not regretting that she left Pramaad...she is regretting marrying in haste (she has brought that up a couple of times the last few episodes)...And she feels really bad that on Diwali day her parents are forlorn because of the crap they heard...she is worried sick that her sisters may not get married because of what has (wrongly) been attributed to her...she feels like she is bringing her family down,,,,Kumud is a strong person...but it would be unreal to make her a superwoman, totally untouched by these barbs...Khoti Kaki's words stung so much, anyone would feel low after that...

As regards SaMud, lets face it...these people have faced too much in their lives to start doing the cutie-cuitie romance right away. ( and we already did get the adorable SRRYO scene) ..In a way I want Saras to realize that he is partially responsible for this mess, he should fix it...He still loves her, knows she loves him...they dont need to fall in love again...they dont need to re-kindle the magic before he asks for her hand...The magic will get ignited in due course...they have bigger issues at hand now...

Lets see how this track proceeds...but NO Saras-Kusum/ Kumud forgiving Pramad...That is a NO NO NO


Well said Mini, beautifully summed up all our thoughts. Loved your post.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I totally completely understand Kumud's breakdown. She's identified herself as the empress of all maladies afflicting her family and this is how trauma patients behave when the going gets tough. I'm happy SP got that right. Fluke or no. The very reason she had put up with Pramaad was for her family, to not to hurt them in anyway, and now that one hasty decision has changed the course of her life haphazardly. Now had she gone to the marketplace, would she have given those blithering fools a dose of their own medicine? Yes, definitely! But the point is, this is the breaking point for the suppressed, bottled up emotions to burst out like a geyser hot spring. Did we ever see her give in to her emotions while at BD's? Thank god they didn't show her put up a brave face in all this turmoil because that would have been unreal to put it mildly. She's scared because of Pramad. Divorcing him hasn't solved her problems at all; hence tension takes over. It all falls in place, at least for me.

As far as Saras, when he sees the love of his life crying her heart out, helpless and desolate blaming herself for all the problems when he himself was the chief reason to influence her decision, being Saras, that was just the right moment to "take the plunge", borrowing Shanti ji's words. Love is the primary reason for him to stay; for her to stop him from leaving. There's no question about that whatsoever..The way he asks for her hand, putting forward the same thing he'd said eons ago, that Kumud is his zimmedari (how I love this word!), I now hope Kumud has the mind to accept him as her husband.

Desais' behavior at the market place, I think it's best to stay mute in such circumstances. You don't want to argue with idiots who when they open their mouths, "can lower the IQ of the whole town." This was also expected of them given their take on agni pariksha to prove the sanctity of a woman. Any life form would die a painful death in the inferno, holy or no. How insecure can people be to get instant gratification by constantly playing with people's emotions?!

The billion frikkin' dollar question is, what's Kumud going to say? I'm...scared, given her track record!

PS: Sorry for being incoherent...scribbled from phone.😳
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Posted: 11 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: hotdogg

A disclosure

... I have a dear cousin who walked out of a mini - Pramad type relationship (no infidelity, but almost entirely the rest of the fun stuff incl. marital rape)...and then lived through death / acid threats phase...in a tier 2 town in Gujarat...

...Full disclosure of her marriage condition to the community went a long way...And that's the way it typically works for people who have gone through this both in metros or tier 2 towns...unless you are in some backwaters, in which case you won't even make it out alive...

...So I am very much appalled by this track and what it stands for...It puts the monkey back on Kumud's back couched in the sophistry of TRP requirements, that's what happens in real life, Indian culture is like this only etc.

...Neways...I will still condone it...Brought some memories back...This is not the way she or us behaved...If we had she would have lost everything...

p.s.
My cousin is now happily married & settled...and that's all that matters...Show to chalta rahega..

p.p.s.
The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings.



Hgg, that's what families often do, stand by their children and protect them. And it gives so much courage to me as a mother when I hear about girls who fight their abusers and make a new start.

But there is another ugly truth also, that we saw in the two cases I am going to talk about.

The so called samaj ke thekedars, the ones who have umpteen followers and clout and who thus have a high social responsibility were the ones who made statements that were completely callous.

One was the nirbhaya case that happened in Delhi and to date haunts us. And the famous Bapu who stated that she could have avoided it if only she had humbly folded her hands and requested the rapists not to rape her and called them bhaiyya and tied a rakhi.

Implying that it was because she resisted and fought she invited the brutality, or the people who implied that after all she was alone at night (9pm) with a boy...
The second case is of the journalist - a young girl who was robbed and murdered on her way back from work from a late night shift. And the essence of the press releases given by CM was that girls should not work late nights and should be back home on time.

The fact these esteemed speakers have quite a few supporters also is shocking but true. The market scene to me represented these type of people.

All families can do is let these people talk, but stand by their own children and support them. For today fortunately in our society we also have enough people who do realize that it's the abusers who are at fault and not the victim, and it's them that need to be punished and not the victims,

And that marriage on any terms is the only way to exist for a woman is a thought that is no longer acceptable for more and more people.
Edited by Arshics - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Arshics


Santhi, pramaad being alone and good and decent doesn't mean anything at all.

They are divorced. Finito. She is now Kumud desai, not dharmadhikari.

Now to get back with pramaad is impossible because now she and Saras have again allowed their love for each to resurface and blossom.

Now if she gets back to pramaad it will be dishonesty and cheating because she is in love with another man.

I hope SP doesn't go down this road, because it is demeaning to the very meaning of love, treating it like a switch that can be turned on or off.

Also the if you love me marry my sister is saying that Saras is no different from her kamarband - an inanimate object, that no matter how special can be given off.

Love is a living breathing relationship between two people and it has to be nurtured and protected and respected, not treated so casually.


Goodness me, Arshi ji. Amen..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Arshi ji I have a question too. Why is everybody thinking that Kumud will go back to Pramad?
She is no longer his wife. They have already divorced haven't they?
I think kumud is stronger than that.
Yes she is fiercely protective when it comes to her family. I can see her sacrificing her live n love for her sister but going back to Pramad with whom she has no LEGAL relationship!! No way!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: omshreejaanu

Arshi ji I have a question too. Why is everybody thinking that Kumud will go back to Pramad?

She is no longer his wife. They have already divorced haven't they?
I think kumud is stronger than that.
Yes she is fiercely protective when it comes to her family. I can see her sacrificing her live for her sister but going back to Pramad with whom she has neither LEGAL relationship!! No way!!


She won't. But somewhere down the line, the thought came to me. Sorry

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