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Posted: 12 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: Arshics


The way GMT had meant it to be Shana. No pramaad sudhar, HDDCS, Navin ka khulasa and Saras Kumud ko ghar nikala, and pramaad's death!

Aisa lag raha hai mujhe



hope its limited till here only dont want gmt's horrible ending...btw read on forum that pramad is just faking it out ...anshul said this in his tweet 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
#72

Originally posted by: IdiotViewer

...Kumud's big reveal... I had a lot of issues with that I've explained in my previous posts. It was clever on one hand, but incredibly foolish on another. Like attempting to stop a crack in a dam with a piece of scotch tape. A temporary, hasty suture when the avalanche has already started. Kumud is only going to get washed away by the sheer force. The 'tease' of a data provided by Kumud has only further whetted Pramad's appetite to find ALL he can about Saraswatichandra. Kumud's 'big reveal' essentially focused on two people. Did she even mention to Pramad why her and Saras' rishta broke? She came close to it while she talked about LN's adultery and the letter Saras' found, but did she actually come out and say? Remember this is the same 'secret' that Alak holds like a weapon over Kumud's head. I doubt she would've actually bitten the bullet here. Not even in good faith. The only thing I liked about the sequence was that it functioned as an ode to "Saraswatichandra"... And the powerful purpose for which it was intercut with Saras and Kusum convo was to highlight that Saraswatichandra, lives on, not in Navinchandra but in Kumud. On one hand, Saras was renouncing and refuting his very existence and on the other Kumud was unabashedly 'celebrating' the man.


... No one wants to be alone (Kumud) but someone has always walked alone (Saras). What of him? He stays unwanted, perpetually in rifle-sights and now he will be put under a microscope too. That too by someone who cannot bear even the merest hint of scrutiny upon himself (Pramad).

...Curious mention: Kusum 'stumbles' and Murakhdass of all people catches her out?! Another piece of the jigsaw has been dropped. It is an indication of how that name "Saraswatichandra" is going to resonate in the coming days in BD household. There is no escaping "Saraswatichandra" a name BD and Alak are already familiar with. A name Pramad is consumed with. A name Navin has renounced. A name Kumud keeps firmly inside her heart. A name Kusum condemns. A name that is going to end everything. Only to start anew. A name that will one day again, rise, like the phoenix it is... SARASWATICHANDRA.

... Navin for his part, was in blue, in his Krishna avatar, and that is how he will be conducting himself in this interaction. By the end of the trip, he unwittingly and unaware is going to end up handing Pramad another important piece of the jigsaw. Ironic that BD is worried about Pramad when Navin is the one who will not return 'unscathed' and Pramad, stronger than before.

...That "Aap bhi khalena" bit... With ehsaas assaulting full-frontal, was very calculatively placed by Cv's in the service of Pramad. Saras is going to be reeling under it, under the magic of that half-smile bestowed upon him like manna from heaven. He will be vulnerable in the throes of "ehsaas", Pramad is gonna notice, strike and Navin, in the moment is going to let something slip away. That is why he was wearing blue. Because with this first 'dance' with Pramad, Saras is going to be the star-crossed lover and not the persona he has adopted now. Curious mention: Kumud 'entreats' Kanha ji, to keep one "Kanha" safe from the other "Kanha"... Ironic.


Waah... Ivy! Your post is like manna from heaven,,,😊

Esp like the observations about Saras, (in Blue😉 , above)... This weekend is turning out to be a Saras Special, what with your treatise and Arshi's other masterpiece...


Edited by happychappy - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#73
ivy and arshi..

a tour de force...cant describe it any other way..

pieces back in place...and get the feeling...maybe there is a plan in the fragmented narrative of the last few epis...

looking forward to the next week again..

smrth-
hope u have read this...and decided to give it a shot still..

ivy-
your post is like a last minute revision guide before exams

:-)

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Edited by hotdogg - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#74


Saras is going to be reeling under it, under the magic of that half-smile bestowed upon him like manna from heaven. He will be vulnerable in the throes of "ehsaas", Pramad is gonna notice, strike and Navin, in the moment is going to let something slip away.

@Ivyji a splendid dissection as usual. The best was the part where you have explained Kumud's interaction with Saras asking him to eat and his smile. I saw it only as a moment between them and the precap had confused me as to why Saras was confessing to Pramad. But now I understand he must have been still reeling from that moment's effect to think normally what and to whom he was talking to. When we think like this sometimes I feel maybe all scenes are meant for something. here i go again, float in all the bubbles and more bubbles. 😉
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Posted: 11 years ago
#75
Arshi ji! A work-in-progress response from you, that too seen on a Monday... Trust me, usse bhi bada suhaga 😳

I fully concur with all the points you have posted, Kumud's anger is really a "veneer" because Saras is her 'crutch' - seeing him gives her strength, focus and as well, at times an outlet for her frustrations. And yes, she stood her own in front of Pramad, even when essentially 'confessing', she did not at all come across as 'culprit', she was forthright and assertive - she exerted haqq over the story of SC and spelled out a hadd to Pramad, as well, by abruptly walking off with his booze, cutting off the 'tale' and leaving him 'thirsty' for more, in both respects. Admirable when you think of it solely in terms of the strides Kumud is making. Not 'headway', but.

And YET... For me the scene was still out-of-kilter. Like all the notes were playing in harmony except one. And that lone 'discord' was driving me loco. So I went back right to where the foundation for the 'reveal' was first laid and followed the thread of 'questions, insults, and insinuations' to its culmination with Kumud's story in the last. I've given this some thought and believe, I have found the 'malefactor'. Please indulge 😳:

One: The foundation sequence 'Umess telling Pramad' we were not privy to. But Pramad comes armed with weapons-grade info and utters the fateful name 'Saraswatichandra'. Who is he?

Two: The second time he throws that name at her is when she 'imposes' blue on him. He taunts her, again, who is Saraswatichandra, where is he etc and she dangles him a carrot. She will answer. BAM! And right there his tune changes. From wanting to know about her 'lover'... He feigns shock at being the luckiest man ever who will now hear about his "wife's truth" (key-frickin'-word-here). Expectations shift for the viewer (for me at least, it did).

Three: When Kumud again reminds him "aap MERE baare mein kuch jaan na chahate thhe" (another shift), Pramad maintains that tune, he will now hear "Kumud's past", about his "Patni ki prem kahaani"... But the saga turns out to be about mother-son, instead. Neither a love-story, nor Kumud's truth, per se. And in the last of the penultimate epi, Pramad's expression was clearly 'bored' while in the beginning of the last, he 'appeared riveted' and ostensibly forgot all about wanting to hear about his 'wife's love story'. Started making other plans (for Navin)... That was what was not sitting right with me.

Arshi, I believe we are seeing a change of 'tracks'... CV's had two options they were toying with: Pramad's reform, Saras-Kumud expose. Hgg Bhai's words resonate here... Till the penultimate epi, they were undecided and hedging bets. They even gave Jennifer and Aanshul contrary lines, they might have even shot two 'reveal' sequences... Because the two bits in the last two epi's for me, did not align, in terms of actors execution, particularly Aanshul's... Bored to riveted? Unless he was trolling Kumud, it seemed a 'mix-and-match' in the last moment because someone had finally decided which route to take. So yes, Kumud told, but Kumud was also made to hide. The 'essence' of the reveal itself was altered. Hopefully this week will present things with clarity, but I'm pretty certain a 'shifting of gears' has already occured =)
Edited by IdiotViewer - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#76
Ivyji, great update and scene to scene basis dissection.

No, I still don't believe story ever dillydallied between divergent tracks. Of course we can keep debating.

Me, an ordinary viewer, it has been consistent.
His first love is daaru, he kept to that.
Umesh, knew enough from Kumari, to pass on to Pramaad.

So, his mission would be to find a slip from Kumud's part, just enough to discredit her in the family.
Now, he openly affirmed his rishta with Kalika there, is it any reformation?
Edited by Adiani - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Adiani... Thank you and, You're right. We can keep debating =) However, my interpretation above was to soothe a subjective 'itch' that I was feeling. You're right, there is no reformation basis now, but I will still maintain, some markers placed in previous epi's did hint at the scope for it.

Arshi ji, would be much obliged if some context could be provided for the "Makkhan eating" bit today. I know Krishna was fond of it, but is there any ritual per se, regarding such on his birthday? Would really appreciate it 😳
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Posted: 11 years ago
#78

Originally posted by: IdiotViewer

Adiani... Thank you and, You're right. We can keep debating =) However, my interpretation above was to soothe a subjective 'itch' that I was feeling. You're right, there is no reformation basis now, but I will still maintain, some markers placed in previous epi's did hint at the scope for it.

Arshi ji, would be much obliged if some context could be provided for the "Makkhan eating" bit today. I know Krishna was fond of it, but is there any ritual per se, regarding such on his birthday? Would really appreciate it 😳



Ivy-

krishna was fond of makhan...which was often denied to him.
So he would play pranks with the cowherd girls - gopis - and try to steal the makhan.
The foremost among the gopis was Radha.

Hindu theology also celebrates divinde jodis as Vishnu - Laxmi / Shiva - Paravti as interpretation of the Yin - Yang forces of nature...or the split between matter (male - Purush) & energy (female - Shakti)...which are essentially both the same yet so different.. (with the female form represented by the goddess or Shakti).

Krishna - Radha is considered a divine jodi... incarnation of the original god & goddess :Vishnu - Laxmi.

Krishna - Radha relationship is considered as the complete union - from physical to mental love.

Therefore in the story, Kumud providing makhan to Pramad is an attempt by the MIL to enact a complete union described above...when kumud provides makhan it means she has accepted him completely and/ or surrendered herself completely to Pramad...


So in a sense she is trying desperately to believe all is well between kumud & Pramad
Edited by hotdogg - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#79

Originally posted by: hotdogg



Ivy-

krishna was fond of makhan...which was often denied to him.
So he would play pranks with the cowherd girls - gopis - and try to steal the makhan.
The foremost among the gopis was Radha.

Hindu theology also celebrates divinde jodis as Vishnu - Laxmi / Shiva - Paravti as interpretation of the Yin - Yang forces of nature...or the split between matter (male - Purush) & energy (female - Shakti)...which are essentially both the same yet so different.. (with the female form represented by the goddess or Shakti).

Krishna - Radha is considered a divine jodi... incarnation of the original god & goddess :Vishnu - Laxmi.

Krishna - Radha relationship is considered as the complete union - from physical to mental love.

Therefore in the story, Kumud providing makhan to Pramad is an attempt by the MIL to enact a complete union described above...when kumud provides makhan it means she has accepted him completely and/ or surrendered herself completely to Pramad...


So in a sense she is trying desperately to believe all is well between kumud & Pramad



Krisha-radha are symbols of divine love beyond physical and worldly. And also used to mean the relationship that didn't translate to marriage.

I don't think krishna-radha symbolism is behind this ritual that SD was referring to. I was also asking Arshi if such a ritual exists in North.

Rukmini is considered an incarnation of lakshmi and is the wife of Krishna.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: pasumarthisa



Krisha-radha are symbols of divine love beyond physical and worldly. And also used to mean the relationship that didn't translate to marriage.

I don't think krishna-radha symbolism is behind this ritual that SD was referring to. I was also asking Arshi if such a ritual exists in North.

Rukmini is considered an incarnation of lakshmi and is the wife of Krishna.



what i am reading here ...all i know is yashoda maiya feeded makhan to krishna...wife feedin makhan...errr where is this tradition...these cvs r band bajao of radha krishna...kabhi saras kumud r radha krishna ...and now prammy is krishan...yuck...to kalika is his radha and kummu his rukmani...good lord kalika jaisi radha and prammy jaisa krishna ...

...hey bhagwwan ye sab sochney se pahley me shana mar kyun nahi gayi 🤢

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