Crisp Bytes SC - 23rd Aug 13 - Page 6

Originally posted by: IdiotViewer

Apologies again for bringing previous discussion to current CB... Aadat se majboor, Arshi ji 😳 :

Hgg Bhai: *standing-frickin-ovation* to your foresight. And the way you present that. Awestruck. A query - after today's epi, how much will you quantify the 'reveal' as? From what I watched, Kumud talked about Saraswati & her chandra only. Not about her & Saras... Or were we supposed to infer that she has told him the entire story? If I was Pramad, I'd be left cheated by the 'big reveal' and left 'wanting'. Not to mention that his mind has already been poisoned by umess... Who knows what all the sick inspector told him? Or on second thoughts, K was being a clever girl. He asked who is Saraswatichandra? And she told him Mother-Son story because that is really who SC is. His Mother's son. But in terms of jigsaw pieces, P has just been handed some by Kumud, others by Kalika & some by Saras himself from Precap. He has started joining pieces together. He too is a clever boy.

Happy & kaadal... My friends, my pleasure for giving you some positivity, but I must also issue a disclaimer: Markers are just that, markers. They are never absolute, but rather merely one interpretation that you or I can take from the way they are presented. I could just as easily be wrong, but the way I'm reading current markers is all to do with the way they fit within my overall understanding... They fit in my larger building blocks. And I'm very flexible with the smaller building blocks. I don't hesitate to throw them out. But for now, I stand firm on my interpretation that Pramad is up to no good. Today's epi gave further markers to underscore that... But have to go out now. Will get back to this later =)

Ivy-

I would say 50%...

Yes...kumud is a smart girl. She answered to the point and essentialy clarifiying only why her rishta got broken...This answer can satisfy BD, Alak, Pramad and everyone else satisfactorily. It will align with what Umesh also told him..

She did not hint or reveal whether they were romantically or physically involved. The intensity of their feelings, PMS etc. is only known to both of them, Gumaan & Guniyal. So that connect is for kalika to piece together and detonate...

The question when it does explode is whether Pramad will feel she told him only half of the story and get more angry due to a sense of getting cheated?...remember kalika has already stirred the pot with him.

On Pramad i guess the CVs haven't decided which way to play him. I expected some markers yesterday, but he's still on the fence for now..

In the current state, the exposure will be like a red flag to a raging bull to Pramad...Imagine his perspective:
1) He resents Daddy but is dependent on Daddy which increases his resentment ...sort of like an infinite feedback loop...
2) Daddy manages the cash flow to him.
3) Daddy orders his life.
4) Daddy gets him married without him having any choice in the matter...increase in #1 due to #2 & #3.

NOW
5) Daddy instantly replaces him with a person whom he found on the road...increase in #1
6) Daddy openly compares him with 'naukar' and says he wishes Pramad was like 'naukar'...super high spike in #1...he is what he is largely due to #3...Did Daddy be so caring & understanding when he needed him to be? With him he seems to have always been dismissive. Daddy has played favorites between him & Alak. (Lot of what Kalika said about him applicable here)

THEN
7) He comes to know that 'nauker' was the wife's old flame...

Imagine the loud W*F scream coming from Pramad at this realization...
- Daddy forced him to get married to a virtuous Kumud...against his wishes...who has a holier than thou attitude...and condescending approach towards him...who is the old flame and who had PMS with the 'nauker'...the 'nauker' who was forced into his world by Daddy...who usurped his son relationship with Daddy...and both his dear holy wife and 'nauker' were together for days in his home...and pretending they did not know each other...

We have #1 going to infinity here...because of #1 TO #6 all going into an infinite feedback loop...


Then what's he gonna do???
Take a gun and shoot everyone down starting with Daddy or take a gun and shoot himself!

Forget where his current character stands... if we gave benefit of doubt of a shitty childhood to saras behaviour...iska bhi kuch haq banta hai...

...we should give some benefit of doubt to his perspective also...all his drinking & rage is a desperate attempt to break the restricting shackles of his circumstances...all the more poignant because he probably does not inherently have any great personal capabiltity to redeem himself in his father's expectations...

...this cross of super high parental expectations misaligned to the child's innate capabilities is a huge burden to bear...

...and here I actually begin to like kalika...if her affection for him is real...these two are so very similar...forever relegated to a second-class citizenship status - one by birth and one by lack of capability..

...no wonder they found each other when young in the otherwise teeming BD social universe and survived to adulthood. ...she mentions 13 years...pramad would have been a kid of 10-12 at that time!... ..both have complementary capabilities...kalika's lack of power due to her birth is complemented by pramad (notice all the emphasis on 'chote seth ko bata doongi') and pramad's lack of capability is complemented by kalika's social savvy and street smartness...

...So no wonder kalika is so possessive...she took him in when no one would...and now a first class citizen just expects him to be returned back...just because she has married him...and who is still so condescending towards him...

... and without him she loses everything...so its a fight to the death here!

This is like a greek tragegy...with the greys... and where once you get to know the villians..they invoke pity rather than hatred!

This is one of the reasons for my rant on saras...there is so much to be explored on pramad / kalika...and we get the same crap scene like Khana Kha Lena...

I just wish they move this forward...and really develop Pramad...his character is now so much more interesting than anyone else...and Anshul is a damn good actor who I think can pull this off...

But if wishes were horses...
😔

Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

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Kumud revealing her past. Didnt like it at all. The emphasis on his dad's affair. It started in yesterday's episode with Saras being very attached to his mom and ended with he being broken due to his dad's affair. There is no other mention. Not that other facts had to be revealed but the whole thing didnt gel well. Looked as if it was done by Kumud just to dig a deeper hole. Pramaad though got the point. But it did have Kumud's acceptance and forgiveness towards Saras written all over...

But what a way to open up those feelings. To Pramaad. That was a terribly written scene. This could have been a very very poignant, touching moment if she said it to someone from her maaika who could understand her. It was said to Pramad who could only look for lack of love in that statement.

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Kumud has intuition about something going wrong with both Saras and Pramaad going together...

Santhi, they did show Saras in the pre-cap doing something unexpected, out-of-character! Opening up to Pramaad(!) about his own love life... Cant think of any reason why he wd do that - they are the opposite of bosom buddies...😲 Maybe the Kusum+Kumud combo (one barrage of accusation+one measure of kindness) just caused Saras to become momentarily mentally unstable?

And Pramad - is he the local relationship counsellor ? First to Kumud, then to Saras, "tell me about..."🤣

If Saras says something about his mum to P, (not knowing what Kumud has said) then that will be the last piece of the jigsaw...👏 in advance! But going by pre-cap track record, there will be flirting with danger but no lasting damage..😔

Ivy-

Dear wife just peeked in..

One more perspective--

When there are parental issues you can go 2 ways to get attention / approval / acknowledgement:

1) Saras way: Where you try to diligently work so hard and become an accha baccha and get attention. In Saras case, despite his work gumaan was always in the way to forge a connect. The connect finally happened because kumud displaced gumaan and facilitated.

2) Pramad way: You revolt, try to do things out of the way to get attention. Here his over-indulgent mom ...all the more so because she got pramad after so many mannats ...came in the way. She would come to his rescue , in the sense of hiding his wrongs. So the connect again did not happen from an attention / approval perspective...It initially must have started small, then became big...Now he does all of what he does to mainly irritate his dad...attention seeking taken to the other extreme..

On Kalika:
she doesn't agree with me ..
kaika is just a cunning person...who wants to prove her masters wrong..

Had she been a good person...kalika could have been a mini-kumud to facilitate...while she did not have the standing of a kumud, she could still have reformed him at the mini-level when the transgressions were minor... a real friend...

...she cunningly used pramad to continue his destructive behaviour so that he is always alienated and within her control...so actually the Gumaan to Pramad

On the last scene of Khana Kha Lena ...she doesn't agree with me..and bashed me up for writing it in the same sentence with the word crap in it...

- Kumud when in love went with food always (during the gau hatya, the flower scene etc.) to saras...because she cared for him deeply..
- Now when she was hurt..she was trying to hurt him back,,,all the not taking & giving prasad, no arti etc.
- Now when she knows exactly what has happened and why he ditched ...she is trying to forgive him..which she has not done totally...
- Saras smile was to depict that there is a ray of hope... a scope of forgiveness...AND a hope that he will succeed in fulfiling the promise he made to his mom..

She finds it amusing to see me glued to the laptop trying to figure out stuff...and then comes in and sorts out things in a jiffy 😛...

I tell her to also join the forum...but she says one lunatic in the family is more than enough...and that...baccha kabhi atkega toh mere paas aana...

Posting this again coz she forced me to correct the sin I have done on the Khana Kha Lena post ...and not appreciating the superlative acting by Samud...

😭

@Hgg...thanks to both of you! 😃 @Mrs. Hgg,... do join the gang!

Hgg bhai... Would cast my lot with Bhabhi. Again, deliver my *standing-frickin-ovation* to her 👏 Although you are no less 👏... You both perfectly complement... A veritable ying & yang 😳

@hotdogg I understand your frustration. I feel the only fact which makes this dragging worth it is the end explosion. Saras and Kumud's love was stretched so widely that the breakage broke our hearts. Now we wait for more impact on the next explosion as every player here is currently covered with deception.

Originally posted by: hotdogg

kaadal / kat / adiani-

thanks. feel much better after reading your posts.

I guess it is the reduction of saras character from primary to a sort of hangeron which is bothering me.

Add to it that the story is not moving forward fast enough with respect to saras, kumud and pramad ...yet has the now mandatory presence of an inactive saras...and now this unnecessary kusum getting involved track...

seeing saras sort of just sitting there with nothing to do but look hurt, angry, confused, sad is the pits...

but I guess he is living his own repentence...experiencing the feeling of helplessness and reduced to a secondary citizen status in everyone's eyes ...including that of kumud

I just wish they speed this up and move it forward...

Hgg Bhai read the thread on saras being crapped on! Well written thread n I really think
U both..infact we all share the same sentiments.

Putting aside the fact that perhaps Saras is meddling but then he didnt choose to come to BD mansion in the first place. However, he does need to redeem himself n stop allowing to be treated like a gali ka Kutta. I understand that he can't say anything to Pramaad since kumud has told him not to but I wudve loved for him to stand up for himself infront of kusum or better still for kumud to come there n shut kusum up n say she will explain later how n why he is here.

Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

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Arshi,

The lump comes whenever he is on the screen. He is repenting, suffering and all that. The lump is not due to those. But, due to the fact that no one cares for him.Except for Mr. BD who is giving lot of respect to him. Completely isolated. Otherwise, he is a dhokebaaz,, naukar and mehmaan etc etc. Earlier he atleast had a dad and mom to call them so. Now no worldly relations.

Remember, this guy was not treated very well in Desai household too. the response was tepid in the beginning. Except for VC.

He takesall thisin his stride. Aadat hai usko.

It's like that story Aamir khan said in taare zameen par...kuch log roz ek peyr ke paas aatey the, kostey the uss peyr ko Aur ek din woh peyt khud bakhud marr Gaya :-(

Originally posted by: hotdogg

Ivy-

Dear wife just peeked in..

One more perspective--

When there are parental issues you can go 2 ways to get attention / approval / acknowledgement:

1) Saras way: Where you try to diligently work so hard and become an accha baccha and get attention. In Saras case, despite his work gumaan was always in the way to forge a connect. The connect finally happened because kumud displaced gumaan and facilitated.

2) Pramad way: You revolt, try to do things out of the way to get attention. Here his over-indulgent mom ...all the more so because she got pramad after so many mannats ...came in the way. She would come to his rescue , in the sense of hiding his wrongs. So the connect again did not happen from an attention / approval perspective...It initially must have started small, then became big...Now he does all of what he does to mainly irritate his dad...attention seeking taken to the other extreme..

On Kalika:
she doesn't agree with me ..
kaika is just a cunning person...who wants to prove her masters wrong..

Had she been a good person...kalika could have been a mini-kumud to facilitate...while she did not have the standing of a kumud, she could still have reformed him at the mini-level when the transgressions were minor... a real friend...

...she cunningly used pramad to continue his destructive behaviour so that he is always alienated and within her control...so actually the Gumaan to Pramad

On the last scene of Khana Kha Lena ...she doesn't agree with me..and bashed me up for writing it in the same sentence with the word crap in it...

- Kumud when in love went with food always (during the gau hatya, the flower scene etc.) to saras...because she cared for him deeply..
- Now when she was hurt..she was trying to hurt him back,,,all the not taking & giving prasad, no arti etc.
- Now when she knows exactly what has happened and why he ditched ...she is trying to forgive him..which she has not done totally...
- Saras smile was to depict that there is a ray of hope... a scope of forgiveness...AND a hope that he will succeed in fulfiling the promise he made to his mom..

She finds it amusing to see me glued to the laptop trying to figure out stuff...and then comes in and sorts out things in a jiffy 😛...

I tell her to also join the forum...but she says one lunatic in the family is more than enough...and that...baccha kabhi atkega toh mere paas aana...

Posting this again coz she forced me to correct the sin I have done on the Khana Kha Lena post ...and not appreciating the superlative acting by Samud...

😭

Originally posted by: happychappy

Santhi, they did show Saras in the pre-cap doing something unexpected, out-of-character! Opening up to Pramaad(!) about his own love life... Cant think of any reason why he wd do that - they are the opposite of bosom buddies...😲 Maybe the Kusum+Kumud combo (one barrage of accusation+one measure of kindness) just caused Saras to become momentarily mentally unstable?

And Pramad - is he the local relationship counsellor ? First to Kumud, then to Saras, "tell me about..."🤣

If Saras says something about his mum to P, (not knowing what Kumud has said) then that will be the last piece of the jigsaw...👏 in advance! But going by pre-cap track record, there will be flirting with danger but no lasting damage..😔