Crisp Bytes SC - 31st May - Page 6

Originally posted by: smrth

But despite all these brouhaha, I want to reiterate once again; PMS works a charm...Team Nandy is winning. The PMS solves one nagging dread over.😊...remember Nandy, you have posted once, " looking at Saras- Kusum in one frame is 'nauseating' ( because of our foreknowledge) . I had joined your team that very day- exact my thought...well, today we didn't mind first ever actual verbal scene between the two! In fact I watched without any annoyance and enjoyed last quip from Saras, " Excuse me." ( 'no Kusum', SLB's way of reinforcing?!)😃😃

... also that scene had sunny - kusum standing next to each other and smiling at each other..

...but now I wonder if it that scene was intentional or just something that slipped in among all the combos they are trying ...

...keeping fingers crossed!


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Originally posted by: hotdogg

agree...

the problem I see is in the show screenplay where SLB has creative control...

...SLB is used to making movies in which a lot of ideas need to be compressed and expressed in 3 hours...this results in not having to deal with exploring depth or drawing out the length for extended screen time...fit smaller story elements together (add 4 songs, 1 comedy track, 1 villain, 1 vamp, old parents, 2 lovers, one formula)...and a huge dependency on using the visual medium to deliver messages... phir...3 hours mein show khatam paisa hajam...

when applied to a complex story ...this inexperience is showing...add to this the trp revisions... and this mashup.. ..

I am now wondering whether the subtelty we fans like is intentional or plain inexperience / lack of understanding of the medium?

really disappointed with the totally fractured presentation from the proposal to the PMS scene itself and its aftermath...

why are they are trying to scrunch up too many ideas / concepts / emotions into 5 minute timeslots without working on the characterisations?...

For e.g.
1) saras and kumud's understanding of love --> so hurried (radha / dandiya).
- If this was explored more deeply, with more scenes with dialogues / exchanges between kumud and saras we would have been better able to appreciate kumud's consent for PMS and divergent reaction after PMS --> did not happen.
Though in the the novel the plot hinges on letter exchanges through which both fall in love without seeing each other --> why could not some elements of the letter contents have been used to create scenes which clarified both's different perspective on love?

2) saras public declaration --> so hurried (kumud gets taunted, saras decides to announce)
- This proposal had to declare saras love for kumud, the journey he has travelled, how important kumud is to him. At least one epi / half epi with better dialogues would have gone far in clearing where saras was coming from and why he drove the move towardsPMS --> Not even a half episode on the declaration, its all over in 5-8 minutes.

3) Add all the noise of the wedding, Saras rai, kumari, guman antics --> Why mix it with the story pivot? Could it not have been pushed later?

4) PMS & aftermath --> half baked ...entirely dependent on visuals for pre / act itself...no post act.
- why did they have to jump straight to the aftermath hysterics--> we dont even get to know what really happened till kumud is shown straight - away hysterical and full of grief / remorse...where is the step (could be a simple scene of kumud thinking by herself) which shows her coming to realise the enormity of the step she has taken and how it goes against her morality...which gets converted into grief and remorse
- without this critical step & missing #1, most viewers and even fans of the forum cannot relate to the total reversing of her character...this creates so much confusion and character inconsistency among viewers / fans who have built up an image of the leads in their minds..

5) add the frantic desire / attempt to move the story to the next act...and you will see getting added more 5 minute story elements...its like a sand pile...just adding more and more sand to the pile...sooner rather than later... without a proper foundation its going to collapse on itself.

...its already resulted in a plain butchering of the characters the leads (specially jennifer since she's in the dock now for totally portraying a 'different' version) have tried so hard to build and portray...

...request to CVs would be to please give adequate screen time and dialogues / scenes to build the characters perspective and story...

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Exactly, sir ji. Well said.

I have been more forgiving and appreciative of the SC team of CVs not just because they are talented and hardworking, but mainly because of my experiences with another show recently. But I can not ignore the facts you have mentioned above, they have been more apparent and jarring lately. Why the rush esp if they do intend to run the show for seven years?!

Lack of confidence and panic more than inexperience will mess up things majorly for them. Such a big PH yet they panic and change tracks within a few weeks of the show's launch. Have patience, give it time, let it grow on people and just focus on quality. I am sure the viewers took some time to warm up to even the shows with higher TRPs. I am dreading the fact the SC might loose more viewers who are irked at the way PMS was handled. That would cause more panic and more butchering of characters.

Originally posted by: Infofan

I did say I would not discuss Thursday's episode anymore😳. This came to mind while watching today's episode. The other day, out of the blue, Kumud remembers his moms words (which makes it even worse IMHO) ' 'Men have the curse of lust and women have the boon of dignity', read the subtitles. She then says she should have stayed in her maryada. Wouldn't it cross Saras' mind that Kumud might be thinking of him as or blaming him indirectly of being lustful as a male, in his frame of mind? We are aware that she did not blame him, she blames herself. But her reaction and pushing him away might further reinforce that feeling in Saras?

More kewshuns '

- were they at the factory all night?

- Didn't anybody notice they were gone?

- When did they return home?

- Did they have any conversation after the deed, on their way home perhaps?

- At what point did her guilt trip start?

- Why am I still talking about this? 😕

Originally posted by: smrth

All these, makers have left to 'viewers's imagination with the 'non show' part! Feel free to guess. One possible scenario; after the act, she rushed off silently..unable to utter a word. Saras covering the retreat in silence and ecstasy (assuming same in her), taking her silence and rush as obvious fall out of a blushed coyness. For 'elated' she did respond in the factory.😛😆

And how ever much Guniyal hushed the topic, VC is going to wonder," Why is Guniyal suddenly pressing a rushed marriage?'😆

@ bold - 😆 right after she herself told VC to request LN not to rush the wedding!

Sometimes they leave too much to the viewers imagination, not just in the pre/post PMS case!

The scenario is plausible since Saras seemed completely clueless at Kumud not being there for the bidai of her friend and initially at her outburst. Bechara dikra.😆

Team Nandy would like the Sunny-Kusum track to speed up, pretty please, CVs😳

Originally posted by: hotdogg

... also that scene had sunny - kusum standing next to each other and smiling at each other..

...but now I wonder if it that scene was intentional or just something that slipped in among all the combos they are trying ...

...keeping fingers crossed!


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@hgg very convincing arguments on PH handling on the epis

It does seem to be knee jerk reactions to trps or audience reactions

Have network problem. Hope to be able to join in discssions tomorrow

Originally posted by: smrth

Arshicritic,

Good post and dissections of each one's guilts. But I disagree on one point. She has not wronged Saras. She has wronged her own convictions which are based on certain fundamentals that her upbringing has set for herself. To judge them 'outdated', 'orthodox', or even 'hypocritical' (in face of her ready love), is not this in itself tad bit judgemental from a lofty shelf of a modernist view? Why may she not believe in her values even if they appear traditional? Have not same 'traditional' values served her well so far? Growing into a confident, compassionate and a well rounded personality? A personality who can clearly see in the motives and drivers of a person in rejecting her own self, and then, humanely empathises with him? And then, same 'outdated', 'traditional' mindset repairs that fecund modern mind...nourish and restore it to a road of its full potential as a great man? Even now, affording him pinnacle of full manhood, which earlier, he was prepared to renounce altogether as banal and base? In the consequence of this, if her entire consciousness is torn apart between her sense of betrayal to her own 'convictions' and her deep love for this man, who is now required to calm this deep agitation? Whose turn now it is to help her see 'modern' flexibility of a value system that may hold valid even with that accidental flourish because it occurred within the frame of an existing love? He attempts. But is it enough? To say twice, while she was barely listening, is enough? Or 'relapse' is a birthright? Immediately getting prepared for 'Saza' is enough manhood? If so, then who is wronging whom? And here she is not even blaming HIM, she is majorly blaming her own self!!

Smrth

Agree with you on she has wronged herself and does not blame him

But looking at it from his pov he has been wronged

Iwill draw the parallel of his rejection here he rejected her due to his own demons

I had nothing to do with her but it was unfair to her

She still stood by him supported him and helped him to change and love

Similarly I agree it ishis turn

He feelswronged her volte face the next dayis unfaif to him

But now its his turn to pull her out of this

He must be there for her and if he goes into his shell again and starts his I give pain to

Thoze I love nonsense then all is lost

I am sure thisSaras will pull her out of her depression

Originally posted by: arshicritic

Smrth

Agree with you on she has wronged herself and does not blame him

But looking at it from his pov he has been wronged

Iwill draw the parallel of his rejection here he rejected her due to his own demons

I had nothing to do with her but it was unfair to her

She still stood by him supported him and helped him to change and love

Similarly I agree it ishis turn

He feelswronged her volte face the next dayis unfaif to him

But now its his turn to pull her out of this


He must be there for her and if he goes into his shell again and starts his I give pain to

Thoze I love nonsense then all is lost

I am sure thisSaras will pull her out of her depression

Originally posted by: smrth

ArshiC,

Saw this now...didn't want to be argumentative, but relying on you 😊, giving a personal take on Saras's probable POV- ideally, to say.

Arshi, as you know initially I too was confounded by her. I have sympathy for Saras's predicament. A first wave of a surprising dejection. But what should he infer now? Why it is hard for her? If he wants her to understand and share his notion of a complete unity, why would he not understand a dilemma that she is facing? A conflict of obligations where on one side she is already dedicated to him by her own will, fine. But on other side, a filial obligation that she is torn to see herself overstepping, especially when they are trusting her innately? And her own pre-formed convictions about propriety? Now whether these two ( parental boundary and her own sense of propriety) are outdated or prudish is not Saras's place to judge at the moment. For him it ought to be enough to see that they ARE there and conflicting her apart. Shouldn't it? After this, it won't matter to him that he was 'rejected' or she 'volte faced' post the act. And did She reject HIM really? Her answer to his specific question, ' do you distrust my love?' was a sincere NO. Then onwards, his full attention should be towards her distress. It's not about him, it's about her. For a 'Havaad return', all these should not be difficult to figure out, after all he has her blanket commitment, " you are etched on my soul." 😊

@smrth @arshi..

This has been a life defining / changing event for both...not just on the physical level but on the mental level...both did not plan for it and were not ready emotionally too...but still their love drove them towards it...as I have said earlier they went from barely holding hands to PMS in an instant with no stages of mutual intimacy in between.

... this event and the way it happened has changed both of them irreversibly...and like a spark, it has lit a fire in the emotional areas of both of their minds regarding what each means to the other...both have no doubt that they love each other DESPITE the PMS and the way it happened..

...but because of this event, they have progressed in a blink of an eye from puppy love to the real thing...now the hard part begins...

...old concepts / perceptions put in place when each was alone in his / her universe are being burned off...new ones which factor in that they are a couple now & that changes EVERYTHING because they are a couple now are being forged ...

...this churning is causing each to relook at their perception / understanding of their own self worth, their duties & obligations as individuals and a couple, their duties & obligations as a couple to other common relationships, their individual place / role in the world, their role / place with each other, what is private, what is intimate, where does each one stand on ideas / beliefs with respect to the others, what is each willing to hold on to and let go, what takes precedence etc etc...

I think if SLB wants to show their love deepening into a very substantial, intense, pure, full of mutual trust & respect, janam janam ka saath types, a private space where only each other can enter & no one else...your theory is the only way he can do so...

..now it is saras turn to rescue kumud from her emotional distress...she does not hate him / his love...but herself...if he does resolve her conflict...this lady is not going anywhere come what may..


BUT if SLB wants to screw it all up now and move towards a superficial seperation...he will use this in a very ham - handed way and move on...

I am just hoping:
1) that he chooses your logic...the pieces are set to leverage this event and distress to really show how deep real love can become...
2) if he does go for #1 he uses proper length of time, crisp dialogues, and not do 5 minute jingle-like scenes.

...so the suspense will unfold in next week...

P.S.

Wanted to share:

...have been thinking why I continue to give such a long rope to this show...never have to any other show...

This quote from Gladiator probably comes close to my reasons:
There was once a dream that was Rome. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish... it was so fragile.

...It is in a fragile state right now...it has so much potential to showcase Ise Pyaar Kehte Hai...and I just hope it doesn't vanish.