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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: reguser

Agree.....
Sakshi can be forgiven for her mistake but not a place of bahu/wife/mother in that house. Insaniyath needs to be shown but it doesnt mean that she needs to be given shelter in that house as a member. She can be taken care till her delivery and that is definately humanity. But, I really dont understand this "getting married" concept for the sake of humanity funda in our serials.
And you are right. Ragini always is shown as a practical girl. The Sagini combination was a hit because together they were complete. One was ideal and another was practical - but ofcourse, both with strong moral values. If Sakshi can be forgiven, they why not Avni and Choti-ma? Why depriving Guni from the love of parents and grand-parents? If whatever Sakshi has done is due to some reasons, then whatever choti-ma has done also with some reasons.
In the name of revenge, Sakshi has tried to harm two innocent people - Khushi and Alekh. And I really dont think people who can take advantage of such innocent people can ever be redeemed permanently. What is the guarantee that in future after her child birth, Sakshi will not ill-treat Khushi and try to take advantage of Alekh's innocence?
Anyhow, there is no point in finding logic. I have stopped watching it long back and just read the updates this week (because heard the news that it is ending). I think they just wanted to end the serial with a happy note. So they are rushing to finish this.

šŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘ maybe avni and choti ma have to be pregnant before they gat any insaniyat🤣
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I agree with Bani....

THe creatives just want to end it in a good note.

How is this child responsibility of Alekh? I hope sakshi leaves them all.. and just leaves a note saying that inspite of everything that she had done, ragini and anmol had tried to patch up things so she feels great full and leaves. Just like how Karan left [even though he actually had the RIGHT to stay]

So I do not think its logical for sakshi to stay when karan left.

I think Alekh should get a life partner but, of his choice, whom he chooses not whom his mom chooses.

Cause Vasu chose sadhi ( she turned out to be the best thing for him, thats another point)
she chose Malika didn't work out
she chose Sakshi, turned out nasty

So I think its Alekh's turn to choose now.


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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: unhappyviewer

šŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘ maybe avni and choti ma have to be pregnant before they gat any insaniyat🤣

ha ha... Imagine if both of them were pregnant at that time, then how the situation would have changed. We would be tired of hearing "Mummyji....please..... chotima/avni maa banne wale hein... thoda rehem keejiye....unhe hamare paas rehne deejiya ..." from sagini šŸ˜†
And we would be seeing so many bachcha-parties in the whole of RV house šŸ˜†
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: suchitra_1

I agree with Bani....


THe creatives just want to end it in a good note.

How is this child responsibility of Alekh? I hope sakshi leaves them all.. and just leaves a note saying that inspite of everything that she had done, ragini and anmol had tried to patch up things so she feels great full and leaves. Just like how Karan left [even though he actually had the RIGHT to stay]

So I do not think its logical for sakshi to stay when karan left.

I think Alekh should get a life partner but, of his choice, whom he chooses not whom his mom chooses.

Cause Vasu chose sadhi ( she turned out to be the best thing for him, thats another point)
she chose Malika didn't work out
she chose Sakshi, turned out nasty

So I think its Alekh's turn to choose now.


So true... now it is high time Alekh chooses his wife... Mama Vasu should take sanyas now....
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Then sadhana almost never made a good judgement in her entire life.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. and deserves a thousand slaps🤣🤣🤣🤣. And there is nothing in life that can be gauranteedšŸ˜›
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: just_in

Then sadhana almost never made a good judgement in her entire life.🤣. and deserves a thousand slaps🤣. And there is nothing in life that can be gauranteedšŸ˜›



Haa Just in , if sadana was there she too would have done the same thing. Ragini is person who too humane to do anything else.other than helping sakshi...Anyways alek is going to be normal so let him decide for himself whether he has to accept sakashi or not and i am sure ragini will never force alek to do anything. The ball will be always in alek's court.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I completely agree with you Bani. I was so pissed at hearing those dialogues that I just fwded them. I think Rajvansh's (Ragini & Anmol) can rent an apt for Sakshi and have a caretaker to help her through her pregnancy. Once Aalekh gets normal, he can choose a life partner for himself.

I am just wondering what if Sakshi was exposed before she knew about the true colors of Tarun? How would she react then?

I didn't see any repentance in her, if she can torture khushi so much for her unborn child, wonder what she will do when the child is born. She will always have conflict of interest.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: just_in

Then sadhana almost never made a good judgement in her entire life.🤣. and deserves a thousand slaps🤣. And there is nothing in life that can be gauranteedšŸ˜›


I know, thats why we should not put thieves or criminals in jail because what is the guarantee that they will do it again, they may never do it again anyway. šŸ˜†šŸ˜† nothing in life is guaranteed, right?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: itsybitsy


I know, thats why we should not put thieves or criminals in jail because what is the guarantee that they will do it again, they may never do it again anyway. šŸ˜†šŸ˜† nothing in life is guaranteed, right?

So do remind me did choti maa go to jail for making saadhanas pyaare alekh mental and killing dadaji🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Or did saadhana ever care to stop naveen and avni from harming her jaan se bhi pyaare alekhji.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. And don't tell me there is no difference between a person trying to torture someone and a person trying to kill someone🤣🤣🤣🤣. If people still don't get the difference bw sakshi and choti-ma, naveen/avni, sorry can't help u🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Omshanti1111

Many months back, creatives threw a question in viewers minds, that if Sadhna could forget Ragini's behaviour in one moment , why she could not Alekh's....Creatives that time, were not in a hurry to end the show, thus intentionally I feel they let Sadhna make two different decisions based on two individuals--Ragini and Alekh. Ragini was through and through a positive character, she became a victim of misunderstanding due to circumstance as well as due to the influence of some shortbrained people. So, that Ragini could come out of the misunderstanding phase, was enough. Alekh, on the other hand, needed to grow as a character, and acquire knowledge and wisdom to make proper decisions in the future. Thus Mamaji gave a long lecture about "Putra dharm and pati dharm" and Sadhna also said "aaj hum ek hain, kaa phir alag ho jayengey" and also Sadhna asked a valid question to Alekh "agar aap normal condition mein shaddi karte, to kya mujhse karte". This was one of the reasons that struck my mind, other than that Alekh was Sadhna's husband and she had an "abhimaan" for her husband. That whole track cleared up a very big question that whether Alekh really wanted to spend his life with Sadhna, when he has the option to leave Sadhna. Alekh was free to make his choice and he could feel that he loves Sadhna. Sadhna took the marriage vows with a proper brain, and Alekh had declined Sadhna after becoming normal, Sadhna could not do anything.



coming to yesterday's episode about Ragini-Anmol and Sakshi, I feel Anmol-Ragini have already proved their goodness and they dont need to prove their goodness to anyone. Their positive thoughts and their intentions cannot be questioned after what they have done for the family for the last seven years. But I feel, the creatives in an attempt to end the show on a good note, are doing injustice to Ragini-Anmol. Ragini was always shown to be more practical than Sadhna and Anmol also to be very patient and one who could think clear. People like Ragini-Anmol's thoughts are much higher than Vasu-Kaushi likes and thus it is expected that they would sympathesise with Sakshi.Ragini is very right that Sakshi needs support, especially when she is pregnant. This shows how humane she is.
But three dialogues really shook me up, where I feel a person apart from goodness needs to provide a proper decision and judgement during a challenging circumstance. One really needs to look at a broder picture and at all the people, when making such grave decisons. A decision of forgiving Sakshi, should not make Alekh majboor. Sakshi will get a secure future, but Alekh might forever sink into the pain of leading his life with an unwanted companion.
1.Ragini: "Mummyji, ek ghanta pehle, aap ne iss bacche to Rajvansh parivar ka waris samjhe the"...this gives an indication that Ragini will sort of make Alekh understand that he needs to accept and give his name to Sakshi's child. But does not it mean, that when Sakshi made the mistake, she is being rewarded and Alekh, who is just a pawn in all these, is being punished for Sakshi's mistakes. "Saanskar" does not just teach us to be good, but also shows the extent of goodness to be shown by a proper verdict. One verdict of Ragini about accepting Sakshi as Sakshi Alekh Rajvansh might forever seal the happiness of Alekh.
2. Sakshi said " Main iss halat mein kahan jayoongey Mummyji": Sakshi's all attempts yesterday were also something, that she was helpless and without the Rajvanshs, she has no where to go. She was more worried about her child's future than the mistakes she made. Is it Sakshi really dependable now also? Because what ever she was doing before was for her unborn child, her yesterday's all actions also pointed more to her worries about the future of her child and herself...where lies the guarantee that tomorrow when it again comes to the point where the welfare of her own child is concerned, she will not create a gap between Alekh and Khushi and provide her own child with everything and deprive Khushi.
3. Anmol: "Burai ka jawab burai se nahi dete"...very right. but there has to be a line drawn. Sakshi can be supported and her all responsibilities can be borne by Rajvanshs. Anmol-Ragini can bear Sakshi's responsibility, but he can never in the name of giving shelter to Sakshi's child, make Alekh accept Sakshi along with the child.
Apart from goodness, what counts is a good judgement capability. Its very humane and thoughtful of Anmol-Ragini to support Sakshi,as she needs support, but they cannot talk to Alekh and mentally put a pressure on Alekh. I am not sure how this Sakshi stuff will end, but I feel there should be a line drawn. Anmol-Ragini should definitely help Sakshi and protect her and her child, but at the same time, they should make sure that Alekh is not forced to accept Sakshi even by wise talks, just because Sakshi is now called Sakshi Rajvansh and also citing the example of Tammy-Anmol. If Ragini asks Alekh, Alekh will agree and Khushi being such an understanding child, will always be understanding...but there are lot of things to consider about Sakshi and what all she can be offered. The real upliftment or butchering of characters will now occur, now that show will end soon...what judgement Ragini gives about the relationship of Alekh and Sakshi. Ragini herself took seven years to come close to accepting Anmol as her husband, despite the fact that Anmol never had such a past of scheming, plotting, revenge like Sakshi.
how Bidaai ends, with the concept about characters like Anmol and Sakshi, are fates of characters like Sakshi and Anmol same?..whether Bidaai ends with the concept that Ragini in her attempt of being shown good, lost her proper judgement capacity. Creatives will forever seal the character of Ragini just one judgement of hers FOR Sakshi and AGAINST two souls, Alekh and Khushi, for whom one word of Ragini is like a word of God...



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I completely agree with you here.

During Rift track Ragini was completely misguided by Vasu and totally misjudged Sadha and hold her responsible for her abortion and Ranvir's jail going... The moment the learnt truth, she repent herself ....But on the other hand Alekh was Sadhana's husband.. He knew well sadhna was right, still just to make Vasu happy not only he turned his face from Sadhana, but also misunderstood ... And Sadhana's question to him was also justified..


I also Agree, Ragini and anmol thought they have sympathy towards Sakhi and her child.....From humanity point of view they are correct.. But Sakhi's character she needs big time repentance ..

And she should be supported mentally and financially...But She shoudln't be brought back to Rajvansh house .. there is no need to be pair with Alekh...

This is my POV.

But bani did nice post ... kudos to u ..


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