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Posted: 14 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: just_in
Then sadhana almost never made a good judgement in her entire life.🤣. and deserves a thousand slaps🤣. And there is nothing in life that can be gauranteed😛

Few people just don't understand a single word of such a nice thread and just try to put ugly comment to make it look bad and eventually good threads will lead either to fight or will get close.

Jinke soch ghatiya hoti hai, unko sab ghatiya hi lagata hai..

instead of thinking of giving slaps to sadhna, in logon ek egaal pe thapad padni chahiye ,

they will learn a good lesson

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Posted: 14 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: sami01
bani see am against sakshi ,totaly as i feel she still has not repnted and is thinking of herself only,but am in favour of ragini's insaniyaat

I feel Ragini also has nothing to do now, except make the Rajvanshs accept Sakshi and thus do justice to Sakshi. Actually, its Vasu's evil doings that everyone has to cover up for now. And the worst sufferer will be Alekh and Khushi, who have to deal with Sakshi. Sakshi was first of all not their choice, but she was brought in by Vasu.

Ragini also has no other way now. But Ragini at least has Anmol and Tammy to share her time with, but Khushi and Alekh will be stuck with Sakshi for good, they have no choice now. For Khushi and Alekh, it will be like a choiceless option and I am pretty sure they will be shown accepting Sakshi with a smile, how much they bleed from inside.😊

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Bani

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Posted: 14 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: savee_k
nice post...

first of all i'm sorry wont be able to put my views on the first part ragini/alekh/sadnah cos did not watch bidaai that much before leap..

i read it and understood your views..

yesterday's epi i think it can be debatable..

my opinion ...why ragini/anmol came forward and defy everyone to help sakshi?...the answer is clear wat ragini/anmol did clearly shows that they are no robots but human and they have feelings..

definitely the next question will be after so much evilness of sakshi still they are ready to help her..for ragini/anmol they are not doing so to get praise afterwards but as good human being and esp taking into consideration wat they witnessed a few mins before..

sakshi a woman whose love was genuine but get ditched in the most humiliating way by same person..well for me thats terrible..a woman scorned in love..just for that love/her baby she became evil ...the good thing she did at that time she slapped tarun when he called her baby najayaaz...my thought this shows sakshi still have some goodness existing in her.

one thing we must keep in mind sakshi is not a rajvansh..her marriage was incomplete.its always sakshi who called herself a rajvansh..

second nor anmol/ragini said that sakshi's baby will be the heir of the rajvansh ..nor it was hinted that alekh will be called as the father of this child anytime..

their concern was more sakshi getting that help for her to come out of that trauma she just went through but mostly that unborn baby..

i think be it reel or real no child deserves to get such fate of being called illegitimate...a child needs a good family environment /caring/ love and guidance for a bright future..sakshi herself was an orphan so she did all this for her baby to get a name in the society..it backfired and now she is back to square one..

we did observed also sakshi was reluctant to be back in the rajvansh house..she said "yahan nahin"..she was conscious of her wrongdoings towards this family and that guilt was there..she will live with that guilt and thats enough a punishment..

yes she is back in the rajvansh but as sakshi the girl from nari niketaan not sakshi rajvansh..vasu will accept to give her shelter but on her conditions..

as for ragini i dont think she will impose or give a lecture to alekh to accept sakshi..yes time is the healer also.. now its up to alekh/khushi themselves to decide if they want sakshi in their life or not. along with that baby and its not ragini or anmol to seal their fate..

as for anmol its totally different.he was there in the rajvansh to fulfill a promise.7 yrs he has been perfect and with time the unexpected happenned ..he is a true rajvansh now..vasu/tammy accepted him wholeheartedly and ragini too is on the same path...

the bad thing its ending or else the scenario would have been different but now may be it will a bit rushed and who knows sakshi gets accepted and becomes a rajvansh for real this time..

very very nice reply...

Sakshi has been deceived by love. But think of all all, she has done in the name of her child and Tarun. If Tarun had not really deceived her and still want to accept Sakshi, how will Sakshi account for then? Will she stay back with the Rajvanshs. Today, Traun deceived her, so she is feeling sorry...but she is feeling sorry for her child and herself more.

Tomorrow if Sakshi's own child grows up and asks for his/her rights and if that meant depriving Khushi and Tammy, who are the actual heirs, will Sakshi again fall weak, and start abusing Khushi and Tammy?...evn if we argue, she wont....there is still a thin chance she can do...

if Ragini, being Khushi's masima and raising Khushi, and also a woman of substance, could appear directionless when Tammy was being inconsiderate about Khushi, will Sakshi who has shown such a heonous face, would do justice to Khushi and Tammy?

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Posted: 14 years ago

#24

Originally posted by: unhappyviewer
sakhshi has to stop feeling sorry for herself and start feeling sorry for the people she hurt......being pregnant doesnt mean u forget what is right and wrong......she cant blame tarun's love for all her wrong doing......she is the person behind everything bad that has happened in RH since she entered RH.....tarun wasnt there to influence her.....now that tarun ditched her, she is worried about her child.....i dont see her feeling a bit remorseful for anything she has done......it means if tarun hadnt left her she would have kept on being evil....no conscience at all......

well i have given up.....sorry bani i am not going to explode😆.....not worth it.

I would also like to add, in a way ragini is right.....why punish sakhshi's child for her mothers evilness.....but it doesnt mean she has to be part of the family.....she can live there as a guest till she safely delivers.....and then get on with her life......she doesnt have to end up as a rajvansh bahu.....not after what she has done...,,,but i guess the cts have made up the mind....there can be better endings to alekh's story...but thy are too short sighted to see it.

I completely agree to Ragini being humane...she is shown as a person to go deep into the matter. When many had commented that Sakshi should lose her child, I had repeatedly said that why the child should bear punishment? if the story had to end with Sakshi being accepted by Alekh, then Sakshi's some good conscience arising now and then should have been shown instead of her tortures of Khushi like beating Khushi, separating Alekh and Khushi...Sakshi had a gut feeling that in order to make her child close to Alekh, she has to separate Alekh and Khushi...and till the last episode, even if she agrees she is pregnant with Traun's child, she is still feeling sorry about what will happen to the child...that does not rule the possibility that in future that she might turn Alekh against Khushi, if a time comes when she has to get the rights of her own child ...😊 ..she will have conflict of interest and the character she has shown tilll now, she will definitely side with her own child's wrongdoings (if such a situation arise) and separate Khushi-Alekh or even conspire against Ragini-Anmol- Tammy...

how I would miss your explosion...😆

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#25

Originally posted by: MacGyver
I feel that for the CTs the image of Sadhna became an obsession or the primary objective since a long time now. They did introduce Sakshi, but for then it again became more important to enforce that Sadhna is Sadhna and sakshi is sakshi, atleast that is how I saw it.

I guess the story as presented shows how being in a nariniketan built in the memory of Sadhna, and coming to the home of Sadhna, torturing the people of Sadhna ... the lady known as Sakshi still failed miserably though the hands of her own evil. Still, at the end, through the blessings of Sadhna's shadow around her, this lady found a "second chance" in life. But then again, Sadhna remains Sadhna while sakshi is to live forward as none-other-than-sakshi.

What guarantee is that anyone else in sakshi's place next time would be better? Given Alekh's condition and he is a widower with a growing daughter, its not the best choice for a fresh girl with untouched and promising dreams. Well for me that being real ... I dunno about how you guyz see it.

Maybe sakshi is selfish about her child and about getting another chance in life. But that is sakshi and for her this is how the relationship must develop. Not every marriage every time need to be a fairy tale love marriage. Perhaps a union or companion comes first for some, and basic needs gets fulfilled ... and they live together trying to give into a relationship which is supposed to offer mutual protection, satisfaction and company. That is how I see Sakshi and Alekh in future ...

Sorry for Alekh? ... but he had his days .... and if we once turn away from the dark side and take a look at the brighter side .... we will see that Alekh had moments of love, adventure, care and got the opportunity to have children too. Things which he might never have known had not a girl knocked on his door that fateful day when he was in chains and fetters. Think about it ... he got something as a gift. Something he might never would get. He is not that unlucky if you see it from there (comparing others with similar conditions as he had).

Well thats my view on it =)

nice view..

well not everyone looks at marriage with the same eyes...not all people are blessed with partners of their choice. In India, there are lot of examples, where people lead their lives with partners whom they do not love, but end up living together having children, but is that a free choice made by the individual. Most of the time, the decision is made by the family, about whom the person should spend life. Alekh's life will now be such an example. Also, many girls like Khushi who lose their mother at a young age, are brought up by aunts and step moms. ...actually it all depends on the destiny of the person...some children like Sakshi's unborn children are born with the fate of getting a proper family, despite the sins of their mother and some girls like Khushi are tortured and treated as second choices in the family, despite the goodness that their mothers like Sadhna had done...

its ultimately all destiny and luck....😊..well Khushi, we can sympathesise with you, but you have to live being the second option always...thats your destiny...but dont give up your good and selfless loving nature, that makes you what you are..

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#26

Originally posted by: shanti05
Nice post bani

I feel Saakshi has been trulyu cruel in teh name of revenge against the Rajvansh parivaar and to those kids who have done no harm to her

Her greatest fault is misunderstanding and not questioning herself why am I doing what i am doing
Was'nt it my fault in the first place to have accepted the proposal Vasu ji gave me
Was'nt it my fault to have conclude all that is causing sorrow for me is due to this family

She now has realized that she has made major faults in her life by thinkibng Tarun was her saviour and Rajvansh were her destroyer

Now knowing this she should not wish for anything for herself and make her stand clear that she will live her life for her child's happiness..

I did like Anmol and ragini helping her out purely due to humanitarian basis , But yes asking Alkeh to make a decision pr forcing him to make one for the sake of accepting I would'nt want that

But u see Bani this is society and she is already Alkeh's wife almost expect the 7th pehra not ond
anmd whatever happened was before the wedding and all said and done it may be really hard for vasu to ask her to leave

Only thing Saakshi could do is live in the house as a mamber of teh house without getting the rights of a wife

But as kids grow up and they see that there is attachment with a father and mother obviously Kushi wud want a companion for her dad and so also Saakshi's child so Alekh if he is been asked to give the name for a father to the child the child wud expect the same thought between the bonding for his parent

Its a very tricky situation but will the creatives go against the law of nature is to be seen.

I completely agree with you, that Ragini's feel for Sakshi is truly very humane...I myself believe that...

I think the show will end with Alekh taking the last phera and accepting Sakshi...

but everything now is decided just because what the society will feel. Sakshi has to be accepted, because Sakshi has legally proved herself to be a Rajvansh everywhere.

My question, if Tarun had not betrayed her, and again asked her after getting released from the jail, that Sakshi should bring in money and jewelleries, and they would run away...would not have Sakshi done that? RH is th best option for now. What I am fearing is, Sakshi has no conscience and she can very well revert back to her old policies, now in place of Tarun, if her own child's future seems a little bleak somehow...she has the ability to do so. She will not think what the Rajvanshs had done, but she will think blindly about the future of her own child. What if her child grows up to become another Naveen....we cannot guarantee that Sakshi's child will be goody goody....Sakshi has lot of things to do and prove, before getting accepted as Alekh's wife?

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Bani

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#27

Originally posted by: priya_sparsha

Agree. In fact I'm quiet suprised by the way she's supporting Sakshi and convincing Vasu to accept the fetus. She has always been practical. I'm not against ragini feeling pity for sakshi, but she's so much involved in giving sakshi proper support that she fails to be a good masi ma for kushi. Its obvious that kushi will understand but is there any proof that Sakshi will treat kushi like her child? She did all this fooling around just for to give her child " rajvansh" name, Maybe in future, she will once play this game so that her child can get all the rajvansh property, just like chotima?. Who knows? Can Ragini guarante this? What happened to the dialogue that she said to alekh and sakshi " kushi mera kaleja ka tukuda" ? everything is gone in the garbage I guess😡

& Sakshi is taking advantage of sympathy from angini. I didnt not see her guilty conscious. She's feeling helpless to feel anything! I dont believe that Sakshi has changed or neither can she ever be a good mother to kushi. She only came back to rajvansh house because she's no other way.. there's no conscious pricking for her.

And why should Alekh and Kushi accept sakshi even after al lthis? Ragini herself is trying hard to accept anmol eventhough he's selfless in every way. Now, why should alekh accept Sakshi has his wife? She cheated on him and took advantage of mental unstability. I just want to give ragini a big tight slap😡 I think even vasu will be convinced at the end of the day now🤔 Maybe I'm not convinced that sakshi has changed because of overnight redemption and there's no guiltiness either😳

Now I want Sakshi to play another game and lets see how ragini will tackle this😈

you spoke my heart out...but one thing I dasagree about Ragini. Ragini is trying to help Sakshi, that shows Ragini's genuineness. But she should draw a line there. Because there is no guarantee that Sakshi will not revert back to her old phase, if somehow she feels that her child not getting enough of Rajvansh property. She has already shown her weak character. Sakshi is not bad, but Sakshi is not stable, when it comes to the welfare of her own child... I dont thingk creatives will give a good example, if they show all of a sudden, that Sakshi is all reliable...I just cant forget how she used to beat Khushi, lock her in the room, and the harshness and evil in her eyes, when she blurted out the truth to Tammy...

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Posted: 14 years ago

#28

Originally posted by: reguser

Agree.....

Sakshi can be forgiven for her mistake but not a place of bahu/wife/mother in that house. Insaniyath needs to be shown but it doesnt mean that she needs to be given shelter in that house as a member. She can be taken care till her delivery and that is definately humanity. But, I really dont understand this "getting married" concept for the sake of humanity funda in our serials.

And you are right. Ragini always is shown as a practical girl. The Sagini combination was a hit because together they were complete. One was ideal and another was practical - but ofcourse, both with strong moral values. If Sakshi can be forgiven, they why not Avni and Choti-ma? Why depriving Guni from the love of parents and grand-parents? If whatever Sakshi has done is due to some reasons, then whatever choti-ma has done also with some reasons.

In the name of revenge, Sakshi has tried to harm two innocent people - Khushi and Alekh. And I really dont think people who can take advantage of such innocent people can ever be redeemed permanently. What is the guarantee that in future after her child birth, Sakshi will not ill-treat Khushi and try to take advantage of Alekh's innocence?

Anyhow, there is no point in finding logic. I have stopped watching it long back and just read the updates this week (because heard the news that it is ending). I think they just wanted to end the serial with a happy note. So they are rushing to finish this.

exactly, Avni was plain greedy and jealous, but CM had a reason to do so. Of Sakshi can be forgiven, CM can also be. I like Ragini's sense of supporting Sakshi, but she will be a big question mark to Ragini;s character, if she starts to talk about Alekh accepting Sakshi as his wife, also talk to him but later tell him "its your life, please decide but think about Sakshi"...it will be like emotionally pressurising Alekh...

I do not want to see that in the name of standing by Sakshi, a woman deceived by love and forgiving her mistakes, Ragini is shown to make Alekh understand to accept Sakshi.

you probably did not watch the episode,...when Ragini, Sakshi and Vasu and others were all arguing, Alekh just left the place in disgust and went back to his room crying his heart out to Sadhna;s photo and asking her "mujhe rasta dikhao Sadhna" and then he opened the album and saw Shlok's photo..and made a phone call...

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#29

Originally posted by: ANJANA
Wow Bani i think you have given very good thought on this & i have no words to express how deep & good your thought is😃

thanks... I completely loved to see Ragini's humanity...but she needs to provide a judgement, which will also think about Alekh and Khushi's future...she just cant anticipate that Sakshi would not do anything bad and give her title of Sakshi Alekh Rajvansh...and till now, Sakshi is shown to feel sorry more about her future and her child and a little for what blunder she has done?

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#30

Originally posted by: suchitra_1
I agree with Bani....

THe creatives just want to end it in a good note.

How is this child responsibility of Alekh? I hope sakshi leaves them all.. and just leaves a note saying that inspite of everything that she had done, ragini and anmol had tried to patch up things so she feels great full and leaves. Just like how Karan left [even though he actually had the RIGHT to stay]

So I do not think its logical for sakshi to stay when karan left.

I think Alekh should get a life partner but, of his choice, whom he chooses not whom his mom chooses.

Cause Vasu chose sadhi ( she turned out to be the best thing for him, thats another point)

she chose Malika didn't work out

she chose Sakshi, turned out nasty

So I think its Alekh's turn to choose now.