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Posted: 14 years ago
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Many months back, creatives threw a question in viewers minds, that if Sadhna could forget Ragini's behaviour in one moment , why she could not Alekh's....Creatives that time, were not in a hurry to end the show, thus intentionally I feel they let Sadhna make two different decisions based on two individuals--Ragini and Alekh. Ragini was through and through a positive character, she became a victim of misunderstanding due to circumstance as well as due to the influence of some shortbrained people. So, that Ragini could come out of the misunderstanding phase, was enough. Alekh, on the other hand, needed to grow as a character, and acquire knowledge and wisdom to make proper decisions in the future. Thus Mamaji gave a long lecture about "Putra dharm and pati dharm" and Sadhna also said "aaj hum ek hain, kaa phir alag ho jayengey" and also Sadhna asked a valid question to Alekh "agar aap normal condition mein shaddi karte, to kya mujhse karte". This was one of the reasons that struck my mind, other than that Alekh was Sadhna's husband and she had an "abhimaan" for her husband. That whole track cleared up a very big question that whether Alekh really wanted to spend his life with Sadhna, when he has the option to leave Sadhna. Alekh was free to make his choice and he could feel that he loves Sadhna. Sadhna took the marriage vows with a proper brain, and Alekh had declined Sadhna after becoming normal, Sadhna could not do anything.

coming to yesterday's episode about Ragini-Anmol and Sakshi, I feel Anmol-Ragini have already proved their goodness and they dont need to prove their goodness to anyone. Their positive thoughts and their intentions cannot be questioned after what they have done for the family for the last seven years. But I feel, the creatives in an attempt to end the show on a good note, are doing injustice to Ragini-Anmol. Ragini was always shown to be more practical than Sadhna and Anmol also to be very patient and one who could think clear. People like Ragini-Anmol's thoughts are much higher than Vasu-Kaushi likes and thus it is expected that they would sympathesise with Sakshi.Ragini is very right that Sakshi needs support, especially when she is pregnant. This shows how humane she is.
But three dialogues really shook me up, where I feel a person apart from goodness needs to provide a proper decision and judgement during a challenging circumstance. One really needs to look at a broder picture and at all the people, when making such grave decisons. A decision of forgiving Sakshi, should not make Alekh majboor. Sakshi will get a secure future, but Alekh might forever sink into the pain of leading his life with an unwanted companion.
1.Ragini: "Mummyji, ek ghanta pehle, aap ne iss bacche to Rajvansh parivar ka waris samjhe the"...this gives an indication that Ragini will sort of make Alekh understand that he needs to accept and give his name to Sakshi's child. But does not it mean, that when Sakshi made the mistake, she is being rewarded and Alekh, who is just a pawn in all these, is being punished for Sakshi's mistakes. "Saanskar" does not just teach us to be good, but also shows the extent of goodness to be shown by a proper verdict. One verdict of Ragini about accepting Sakshi as Sakshi Alekh Rajvansh might forever seal the happiness of Alekh.
2. Sakshi said " Main iss halat mein kahan jayoongey Mummyji": Sakshi's all attempts yesterday were also something, that she was helpless and without the Rajvanshs, she has no where to go. She was more worried about her child's future than the mistakes she made. Is it Sakshi really dependable now also? Because what ever she was doing before was for her unborn child, her yesterday's all actions also pointed more to her worries about the future of her child and herself...where lies the guarantee that tomorrow when it again comes to the point where the welfare of her own child is concerned, she will not create a gap between Alekh and Khushi and provide her own child with everything and deprive Khushi.
3. Anmol: "Burai ka jawab burai se nahi dete"...very right. but there has to be a line drawn. Sakshi can be supported and her all responsibilities can be borne by Rajvanshs. Anmol-Ragini can bear Sakshi's responsibility, but he can never in the name of giving shelter to Sakshi's child, make Alekh accept Sakshi along with the child.
Apart from goodness, what counts is a good judgement capability. Its very humane and thoughtful of Anmol-Ragini to support Sakshi,as she needs support, but they cannot talk to Alekh and mentally put a pressure on Alekh. I am not sure how this Sakshi stuff will end, but I feel there should be a line drawn. Anmol-Ragini should definitely help Sakshi and protect her and her child, but at the same time, they should make sure that Alekh is not forced to accept Sakshi even by wise talks, just because Sakshi is now called Sakshi Rajvansh and also citing the example of Tammy-Anmol. If Ragini asks Alekh, Alekh will agree and Khushi being such an understanding child, will always be understanding...but there are lot of things to consider about Sakshi and what all she can be offered. The real upliftment or butchering of characters will now occur, now that show will end soon...what judgement Ragini gives about the relationship of Alekh and Sakshi. Ragini herself took seven years to come close to accepting Anmol as her husband, despite the fact that Anmol never had such a past of scheming, plotting, revenge like Sakshi.
how Bidaai ends, with the concept about characters like Anmol and Sakshi, are fates of characters like Sakshi and Anmol same?..whether Bidaai ends with the concept that Ragini in her attempt of being shown good, lost her proper judgement capacity. Creatives will forever seal the character of Ragini just one judgement of hers FOR Sakshi and AGAINST two souls, Alekh and Khushi, for whom one word of Ragini is like a word of God...
EDIT: the discussion here is more about, whether Sakshi is indeed worthy of Ragini's goodness and whether Sakshi will be called Sakshi Alekh Rajvansh once she delivers in Rajvansh House even without Alekh knowing whats happening?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Sakshi is now trying to get all the attention and sympathy in the excuse of her child...her holding her stomach, her cramps, her dialogues "main kahan jayoongey", her not able to speak the truth on her own...speaks volumes her concern for her future and her child's future....that she does not want to leave the secure shelter and the name of Alekh as the father of her child..
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Posted: 14 years ago
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bani see am against sakshi ,totaly as i feel she still has not repnted and is thinking of herself only,but am in favour of ragini's insaniyaat
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Posted: 14 years ago
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nice post...
first of all i'm sorry wont be able to put my views on the first part ragini/alekh/sadnah cos did not watch bidaai that much before leap..
i read it and understood your views..
yesterday's epi i think it can be debatable..
my opinion ...why ragini/anmol came forward and defy everyone to help sakshi?...the answer is clear wat ragini/anmol did clearly shows that they are no robots but human and they have feelings..
definitely the next question will be after so much evilness of sakshi still they are ready to help her..for ragini/anmol they are not doing so to get praise afterwards but as good human being and esp taking into consideration wat they witnessed a few mins before..
sakshi a woman whose love was genuine but get ditched in the most humiliating way by same person..well for me thats terrible..a woman scorned in love..just for that love/her baby she became evil ...the good thing she did at that time she slapped tarun when he called her baby najayaaz...my thought this shows sakshi still have some goodness existing in her.
one thing we must keep in mind sakshi is not a rajvansh..her marriage was incomplete.its always sakshi who called herself a rajvansh..
second nor anmol/ragini said that sakshi's baby will be the heir of the rajvansh ..nor it was hinted that alekh will be called as the father of this child anytime..
their concern was more sakshi getting that help for her to come out of that trauma she just went through but mostly that unborn baby..
i think be it reel or real no child deserves to get such fate of being called illegitimate...a child needs a good family environment /caring/ love and guidance for a bright future..sakshi herself was an orphan so she did all this for her baby to get a name in the society..it backfired and now she is back to square one..
we did observed also sakshi was reluctant to be back in the rajvansh house..she said "yahan nahin"..she was conscious of her wrongdoings towards this family and that guilt was there..she will live with that guilt and thats enough a punishment..
yes she is back in the rajvansh but as sakshi the girl from nari niketaan not sakshi rajvansh..vasu will accept to give her shelter but on her conditions..
as for ragini i dont think she will impose or give a lecture to alekh to accept sakshi..yes time is the healer also.. now its up to alekh/khushi themselves to decide if they want sakshi in their life or not. along with that baby and its not ragini or anmol to seal their fate..
as for anmol its totally different.he was there in the rajvansh to fulfill a promise.7 yrs he has been perfect and with time the unexpected happenned ..he is a true rajvansh now..vasu/tammy accepted him wholeheartedly and ragini too is on the same path...
the bad thing its ending or else the scenario would have been different but now may be it will a bit rushed and who knows sakshi gets accepted and becomes a rajvansh for real this time..
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Posted: 14 years ago
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sakhshi has to stop feeling sorry for herself and start feeling sorry for the people she hurt......being pregnant doesnt mean u forget what is right and wrong......she cant blame tarun's love for all her wrong doing......she is the person behind everything bad that has happened in RH since she entered RH.....tarun wasnt there to influence her.....now that tarun ditched her, she is worried about her child.....i dont see her feeling a bit remorseful for anything she has done......it means if tarun hadnt left her she would have kept on being evil....no conscience at all......
well i have given up.....sorry bani i am not going to explode😆.....not worth it.
I would also like to add, in a way ragini is right.....why punish sakhshi's child for her mothers evilness.....but it doesnt mean she has to be part of the family.....she can live there as a guest till she safely delivers.....and then get on with her life......she doesnt have to end up as a rajvansh bahu.....not after what she has done...,,,but i guess the cts have made up the mind....there can be better endings to alekh's story...but thy are too short sighted to see it.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: unhappyviewer

sakhshi has to stop feeling sorry for herself and start feeling sorry for the people she hurt......being pregnant doesnt mean u forget what is right and wrong......she cant blame tarun's love for all her wrong doing......she is the person behind everything bad that has happened in RH since she entered RH.....tarun wasnt there to influence her.....now that tarun ditched her, she is worried about her child.....i dont see her feeling a bit remorseful for anything she has done......it means if tarun hadnt left her she would have kept on being evil....no conscience at all......

well i have given up.....sorry bani i am not going to explode😆.....not worth it.
I would also like to add, in a way ragini is right.....why punish sakhshi's child for her mothers evilness.....but it doesnt mean she has to be part of the family.....she can live there as a guest till she safely delivers.....and then get on with her life......she doesnt have to end up as a rajvansh bahu.....not after what she has done...,,,but i guess the cts have made up the mind....there can be better endings to alekh's story...but thy are too short sighted to see it.

shabo so right dear....i agree with u fully👏👏
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Nice post bani

I feel Saakshi has been trulyu cruel in teh name of revenge against the Rajvansh parivaar and to those kids who have done no harm to her

Her greatest fault is misunderstanding and not questioning herself why am I doing what i am doing
Was'nt it my fault in the first place to have accepted the proposal Vasu ji gave me
Was'nt it my fault to have conclude all that is causing sorrow for me is due to this family

She now has realized that she has made major faults in her life by thinkibng Tarun was her saviour and Rajvansh were her destroyer

Now knowing this she should not wish for anything for herself and make her stand clear that she will live her life for her child's happiness..

I did like Anmol and ragini helping her out purely due to humanitarian basis , But yes asking Alkeh to make a decision pr forcing him to make one for the sake of accepting I would'nt want that

But u see Bani this is society and she is already Alkeh's wife almost expect the 7th pehra not ond
anmd whatever happened was before the wedding and all said and done it may be really hard for vasu to ask her to leave

Only thing Saakshi could do is live in the house as a mamber of teh house without getting the rights of a wife

But as kids grow up and they see that there is attachment with a father and mother obviously Kushi wud want a companion for her dad and so also Saakshi's child so Alekh if he is been asked to give the name for a father to the child the child wud expect the same thought between the bonding for his parent

Its a very tricky situation but will the creatives go against the law of nature is to be seen.
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Agree. In fact I'm quiet suprised by the way she's supporting Sakshi and convincing Vasu to accept the fetus. She has always been practical. I'm not against ragini feeling pity for sakshi, but she's so much involved in giving sakshi proper support that she fails to be a good masi ma for kushi. Its obvious that kushi will understand but is there any proof that Sakshi will treat kushi like her child? She did all this fooling around just for to give her child " rajvansh" name, Maybe in future, she will once play this game so that her child can get all the rajvansh property, just like chotima?. Who knows? Can Ragini guarante this? What happened to the dialogue that she said to alekh and sakshi " kushi mera kaleja ka tukuda" ? everything is gone in the garbage I guess😡
& Sakshi is taking advantage of sympathy from angini. I didnt not see her guilty conscious. She's feeling helpless to feel anything! I dont believe that Sakshi has changed or neither can she ever be a good mother to kushi. She only came back to rajvansh house because she's no other way.. there's no conscious pricking for her.
And why should Alekh and Kushi accept sakshi even after al lthis? Ragini herself is trying hard to accept anmol eventhough he's selfless in every way. Now, why should alekh accept Sakshi has his wife? She cheated on him and took advantage of mental unstability. I just want to give ragini a big tight slap😡 I think even vasu will be convinced at the end of the day now🤔 Maybe I'm not convinced that sakshi has changed because of overnight redemption and there's no guiltiness either😳
Now I want Sakshi to play another game and lets see how ragini will tackle this😈
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Omshanti1111

Many months back, creatives threw a question in viewers minds, that if Sadhna could forget Ragini's behaviour in one moment , why she could not Alekh's....Creatives that time, were not in a hurry to end the show, thus intentionally I feel they let Sadhna make two different decisions based on two individuals--Ragini and Alekh. Ragini was through and through a positive character, she became a victim of misunderstanding due to circumstance as well as due to the influence of some shortbrained people. So, that Ragini could come out of the misunderstanding phase, was enough. Alekh, on the other hand, needed to grow as a character, and acquire knowledge and wisdom to make proper decisions in the future. Thus Mamaji gave a long lecture about "Putra dharm and pati dharm" and Sadhna also said "aaj hum ek hain, kaa phir alag ho jayengey" and also Sadhna asked a valid question to Alekh "agar aap normal condition mein shaddi karte, to kya mujhse karte". This was one of the reasons that struck my mind, other than that Alekh was Sadhna's husband and she had an "abhimaan" for her husband. That whole track cleared up a very big question that whether Alekh really wanted to spend his life with Sadhna, when he has the option to leave Sadhna. Alekh was free to make his choice and he could feel that he loves Sadhna. Sadhna took the marriage vows with a proper brain, and Alekh had declined Sadhna after becoming normal, Sadhna could not do anything.

coming to yesterday's episode about Ragini-Anmol and Sakshi, I feel Anmol-Ragini have already proved their goodness and they dont need to prove their goodness to anyone. Their positive thoughts and their intentions cannot be questioned after what they have done for the family for the last seven years. But I feel, the creatives in an attempt to end the show on a good note, are doing injustice to Ragini-Anmol. Ragini was always shown to be more practical than Sadhna and Anmol also to be very patient and one who could think clear. People like Ragini-Anmol's thoughts are much higher than Vasu-Kaushi likes and thus it is expected that they would sympathesise with Sakshi.Ragini is very right that Sakshi needs support, especially when she is pregnant. This shows how humane she is.
But three dialogues really shook me up, where I feel a person apart from goodness needs to provide a proper decision and judgement during a challenging circumstance. One really needs to look at a broder picture and at all the people, when making such grave decisons. A decision of forgiving Sakshi, should not make Alekh majboor. Sakshi will get a secure future, but Alekh might forever sink into the pain of leading his life with an unwanted companion.
1.Ragini: "Mummyji, ek ghanta pehle, aap ne iss bacche to Rajvansh parivar ka waris samjhe the"...this gives an indication that Ragini will sort of make Alekh understand that he needs to accept and give his name to Sakshi's child. But does not it mean, that when Sakshi made the mistake, she is being rewarded and Alekh, who is just a pawn in all these, is being punished for Sakshi's mistakes. "Saanskar" does not just teach us to be good, but also shows the extent of goodness to be shown by a proper verdict. One verdict of Ragini about accepting Sakshi as Sakshi Alekh Rajvansh might forever seal the happiness of Alekh.
2. Sakshi said " Main iss halat mein kahan jayoongey Mummyji": Sakshi's all attempts yesterday were also something, that she was helpless and without the Rajvanshs, she has no where to go. She was more worried about her child's future than the mistakes she made. Is it Sakshi really dependable now also? Because what ever she was doing before was for her unborn child, her yesterday's all actions also pointed more to her worries about the future of her child and herself...where lies the guarantee that tomorrow when it again comes to the point where the welfare of her own child is concerned, she will not create a gap between Alekh and Khushi and provide her own child with everything and deprive Khushi.
3. Anmol: "Burai ka jawab burai se nahi dete"...very right. but there has to be a line drawn. Sakshi can be supported and her all responsibilities can be borne by Rajvanshs. Anmol-Ragini can bear Sakshi's responsibility, but he can never in the name of giving shelter to Sakshi's child, make Alekh accept Sakshi along with the child.
Apart from goodness, what counts is a good judgement capability. Its very humane and thoughtful of Anmol-Ragini to support Sakshi,as she needs support, but they cannot talk to Alekh and mentally put a pressure on Alekh. I am not sure how this Sakshi stuff will end, but I feel there should be a line drawn. Anmol-Ragini should definitely help Sakshi and protect her and her child, but at the same time, they should make sure that Alekh is not forced to accept Sakshi even by wise talks, just because Sakshi is now called Sakshi Rajvansh and also citing the example of Tammy-Anmol. If Ragini asks Alekh, Alekh will agree and Khushi being such an understanding child, will always be understanding...but there are lot of things to consider about Sakshi and what all she can be offered. The real upliftment or butchering of characters will now occur, now that show will end soon...what judgement Ragini gives about the relationship of Alekh and Sakshi. Ragini herself took seven years to come close to accepting Anmol as her husband, despite the fact that Anmol never had such a past of scheming, plotting, revenge like Sakshi.
how Bidaai ends, with the concept about characters like Anmol and Sakshi, are fates of characters like Sakshi and Anmol same?..whether Bidaai ends with the concept that Ragini in her attempt of being shown good, lost her proper judgement capacity. Creatives will forever seal the character of Ragini just one judgement of hers FOR Sakshi and AGAINST two souls, Alekh and Khushi, for whom one word of Ragini is like a word of God...

Agree.....
Sakshi can be forgiven for her mistake but not a place of bahu/wife/mother in that house. Insaniyath needs to be shown but it doesnt mean that she needs to be given shelter in that house as a member. She can be taken care till her delivery and that is definately humanity. But, I really dont understand this "getting married" concept for the sake of humanity funda in our serials.
And you are right. Ragini always is shown as a practical girl. The Sagini combination was a hit because together they were complete. One was ideal and another was practical - but ofcourse, both with strong moral values. If Sakshi can be forgiven, they why not Avni and Choti-ma? Why depriving Guni from the love of parents and grand-parents? If whatever Sakshi has done is due to some reasons, then whatever choti-ma has done also with some reasons.
In the name of revenge, Sakshi has tried to harm two innocent people - Khushi and Alekh. And I really dont think people who can take advantage of such innocent people can ever be redeemed permanently. What is the guarantee that in future after her child birth, Sakshi will not ill-treat Khushi and try to take advantage of Alekh's innocence?
Anyhow, there is no point in finding logic. I have stopped watching it long back and just read the updates this week (because heard the news that it is ending). I think they just wanted to end the serial with a happy note. So they are rushing to finish this.
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Wow Bani i think you have given very good thought on this & i have no words to express how deep & good your thought is😃

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