The LoC - Pakistani contestant refuses - Page 8

Originally posted by: ishika_kapoor

well in my opionion that is really mean of her to say that .. and i respect all religions .. and i really think she should respect every religion ..

I'm sorry, but I don't think you read a word I wrote.

I despair for this forum, I really do. The utter disregard for reality in favor of feebleminded handwringing fantasies of universal brotherhood or whatnot is quite astonishing.

Anything to evade facts. The ultimate legacy of Bollywood. Sigh.

whatever but i reallly dont think that is a nice thing to do .. she insulted hindu religion .. she should have known already before coming to india .. helloooo majority of the ppl are hindu .. i think that she was realllyyy raciest

Originally posted by: arayq2

It is explicitly a Shaivite slogan. Taking the name of Shiva (which is what this slogan does) is shirk to Muslims, as Islam does not recognize Shiva.

Muslim audiences will NOT appreciate seeing a Muslim girl taking the name of Shiva. This is simply a fact. Babbling about how Muslims "should" tolerate this is COMPLETELY BESIDES THE POINT!! The FACT is that THEY WILL NOT. And Zee is not here to change the world. Not to mention that Muslims wanting to do something about this may not be able to take out their wrath on Zee -- and so make take it out on Sara instead. That's right. On her.

Wake up, people. Please.

okay im musliim too,

and theres nothing wrong in just SAYING that,

if you SAY it, it doesnt mean that you actually MEAN it😊

Originally posted by: cutiex0

okay im musliim too,

and theres nothing wrong in just SAYING that,

if you SAY it, it doesnt mean that you actually MEAN it😊

Exactly! I agree with you. When I am over to my pakistani friends house, I wish 'Salaam-A-Lekhom' or 'Allah hafiz' to his parents and I don't think it makes me any less Hindu. Similarly when one of my paki friend comes over to my house he always wishes 'Jay Shri Krishna' and 'Ram Ram' to my parents and he has no issue what so ever in saying that. Wheather you mean what you say or not is a different story but it definitely contributes towards religious unity to have some open mindedness.

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

I think the problem is not the Gods involved in the slogan but muslims liken it to some kind of war-cry (made famous by vhp/rss) asserting their rights.post the babri masjid incidence.. and they feel its like aligning with the sentiment...thats where this comes from...its another thing that this war-cry is more against the other gharanas or mentors...but short-sightedness just holds us back from acting in a sporting manner...😊

"interpreting words to your convenience"-- oh really? so bhagwan doesn't refer to god? oh course most people who say "bhagwan" don't think of allah/christ because most people who say "bhagwan" are hindu. uh duh! all i was saying was that bhagwan isn't a word a non-hindu would really mind saying.

quite frankly, you can go on and believe that "har har mahadev" was said in reference to the mentor all you want. if that will make you sleep better at night then go ahead and believe it. i'm not buying it, and anyone with even an ounce of sense probably realizes that the slogan was a drama-starting scheme set up by zee tv.

"Non-urdu/arabic People who say insha allah.. 90% of the them know what it means. Its just that they arent narrow minded to back-off on differences." --first of all, where did you pull that statistic out of? and secondly, what does that have to do with anything i said? i'll reiterate what i said: it's all a matter of accepting others' decisions. if you were a highly devout hindu, would you say "Allah O akbar" (Allah is the greatest) if i told you to say it? probably not. in my eyes, that's perfectly acceptable.

"Yeah tom-boyish to modern possible traditional to modern - a tough road..." -- you're saying that as if going from traditional to modern is nearly impossible. look at all the actoresses of bollywood, and, heck, even look at smita from indian idol.

Originally posted by: cutiex0

okay im musliim too,

and theres nothing wrong in just SAYING that,

if you SAY it, it doesnt mean that you actually MEAN it😊

i see what you're saying. it's just that some people's faith is so much stronger than others' that they don't feel like they should be forced to say something in reference to someone/something that they don't believe in regardless of whether or not they mean it. i think that decision should be respected.

Originally posted by: cutiex0

okay im musliim too,

and theres nothing wrong in just SAYING that,

if you SAY it, it doesnt mean that you actually MEAN it😊

yeah. even jeffery iqbal said tht rgt. the gr8 rafi saab has sung bhajans. yesudas has sung bhajans in temples. does tht make them a lesser muslim or christian. if she says the slogan it will not make her blasphemous or sumthing. she is juzz saying a slogan of her team.

Originally posted by: ummmmm

i see what you're saying. it's just that some people's faith is so much stronger than others' that they don't feel like they should be forced to say something in reference to someone/something that they don't believe in regardless of whether or not they mean it. i think that decision should be respected.

come on i have muslim frnds who even accept prasad. they take it like a sweet so as to not hurt our feelings. they do namaz 5 times a day n r as devout as any pakistani. i am proud of indian muslims. they r liberal n secular in more ways than one. sara is not greater than mohd rafi. whn he can sing bhajans any other person can sing too. ar rahman has composed a ayyappa bhajan 4 a movie. juzz bcoz he is a muslim shud he say i wil not compose hindu bhajan. if she aims in making it big in india she shud respect indian sentiments first.

Originally posted by: tulasi99

come on i have muslim frnds who even accept prasad. they take it like a sweet so as to not hurt our feelings. they do namaz 5 times a day n r as devout as any pakistani. i am proud of indian muslims. they r liberal n secular in more ways than one. sara is not greater than mohd rafi. whn he can sing bhajans any other person can sing too. ar rahman has composed a ayyappa bhajan 4 a movie. juzz bcoz he is a muslim shud he say i wil not compose hindu bhajan. if she aims in making it big in india she shud respect indian sentiments first.

You are not wrong in that we should be more broad minded. Personally I accept everything. But then we cannot paint all with the same brush. Different people have different backgrounds not just in religion but in many things in life. eg. Most of the older generations have a different way of thinking and the younger generation just will have to abide their commands too, no matter how unreasonable it may sound.😆

Originally posted by: tulasi99

come on i have muslim frnds who even accept prasad. they take it like a sweet so as to not hurt our feelings. they do namaz 5 times a day n r as devout as any pakistani. i am proud of indian muslims. they r liberal n secular in more ways than one. sara is not greater than mohd rafi. whn he can sing bhajans any other person can sing too. ar rahman has composed a ayyappa bhajan 4 a movie. juzz bcoz he is a muslim shud he say i wil not compose hindu bhajan. if she aims in making it big in india she shud respect indian sentiments first.

i'm sure there are many people out there who would have reacted differently from sara, but i don't think that justifies people here bashing her decision and getting angry at what did said. like i've said before, people come from all different backgrounds and carry a variety of beliefs that i think should be respected. i don't think sara disrespected india by refusing to say "har har mahadev." if anything, zee tv disrespected her by trying to get her to say something she refused to say. before anyone, i think zee tv needs to be open-minded. zee tv should realize that contestants from all different countries come to participate in shows like SRGMP, so their shows should cater to everyone's beliefs and views. SRGMP, which is a singing competition, shouldn't have any sort of religious connection or any sort of nationalistic perspective. if zee tv wants to help india expand its music industry by importing people from other nations, zee tv needs to take steps to respect outsiders' sentiments.