Amir hafeez-Teri Deewani-my opinion - Page 3

Originally posted by: shehzaadi91

^^CBji, I don't really understand what you mean. 😕

actually this was simply a back-handed compliment from me. i liked the analysis presented here by the topic-starter. showed me aspects that at least i dont understand and gave me a better appreciation for the insights someone like a sonu would have over someone like me when it comes to music-making. sorry if it seemed like questioning, but then that's how some of us dumb guys understand😊

^^^I liked the presentation of the song. The fact that Amir didn't sing it like Kihlash did doesn't mean that it was not good.

I really dont like the fact that you are hell bent over proving that one shouldn't like this performance just cuz it's not like the original.

Originally posted by: rock&roll

This is just my analysis of Amir's "teri Deewani"which many (inluding me)believe was among his finest performances.However,I wld like to point out something about that performance,which I was and am surprised that no one,esp,the ever watchful Sonuji did not point out.......

If one listens to the original one will realise that the lines "teri deewani" are sung by Kailash kher in the lower octave .This is the one of the most difficlt parts of the song,coz the beginning of the song has very high notes and teri deewani has very low notes..... this gives the song a huuuge range making it very difficlt

But Amir sung Teri deewani in the higher octave,thereby totally eliminating the need to touch on the lowest portion of the song.This gave him the advantage of choosing an intermediate pitch(since he didn't touch the low notes) and singing the whole song.......This is an intelligent adjustment done by a good singer,eliminating the need for a huge range while singing a song.😳..This made the song a lot easier for him...just my two cents..........😳😃...let me know what u think

I am not even sure if have been able to explain myself clearly.....Secondly I realise this is an old thing...but since it pertains to music/singing and not gossip/behaviour of a contestant I thought I cld discuss it......If there is anything unsuitable with this toipc/its timing...mods plz close it 😳😃

😕 sounds like defending the singing that was not up to the mark to begin with....i think😊.

Originally posted by: chatbuster

question again was why someone would listen if the original is better, and keep listening and listening. cant be just because someone is a kid.😆 It's like folks reading story books and reading them all the time just because they're written by a kid. i mean, it could be a good kiddie story, but not sure it would make it to one's favorite bed-time reading collection. or wld it?😆

Because people like me who aren't experts on music, and there's a million people who don't know the very little details of music....wouldn't so much pay attention to the octaves and all that. General audience tends to like songs which are sung soulfully and sound nice, they dont care about minute details because they dont even understand the difference. To me, Raja and Amir's Teri Deewani is awesome...and Kailash Kher no doubt is phenomenol and I love his songs but....I tend to hear Raja and Amir for Teri Deewani specifically. *shrug* It's a personal choice, and like I said...I don't focus on octaves and crap, so I can see why general audience who doesn't live on music could like songs that aren't better than original.

Originally posted by: IBserenity

^^^I liked the presentation of the song. The fact that Amir didn't sing it like Kihlash did doesn't mean that it was not good.

I really dont like the fact that you are hell bent over proving that one shouldn't like this performance just cuz it's not like the original.

lol. not proving, just wondering. and asking. all in a quest for greater appreciation of hafeez' talents.😆

but no problem if one wants to turn this into a fan club. would have been nice though if we could have stayed with the wonderful analysis presented by the topic-starter. never mind😆

Originally posted by: shehzaadi91

I really don't think it is easy for kids to sing in two octaves. Kids naturally have very high-pitched voices and find it hard to sing in the lower octave. I certainly could not do that when I was a kid. I guess it's easier to develop the ability to sing in two octaves as a kid than an adult, but I think it would take a lot more than one week for that.

I would think the judges would be way too harsh if they were to say "why didn't you sing in two octaves?" I wouldn't say he changed the song to his convenience, he just chose not to sing one part that was out of his range, which is what Sonu tells other kids to do all the time. Remember he said that to Rohan in the bhajan round, that "if you just didn't attempt the line then we wouldn't know it was there." So then why would he comment on Amir for doing that? Because according to him, that is a samrt thing to do.

In my personal experience and opinion,i thk a kid can quite easily sing in 2 octaves..Kids have high pitched voices and hence choose a higher base note...but they can still sing in the lower octave on that base note(which they have chosen)......

Sonuji's advise to Rohan(on omission of the high note) also sounded ok to me too,bcoz the high note in Rohan's song was not an integral part of the song.It was a fixture at the end of the song.....and not an integral part of mukhda/antara...I also agree on Sonu's comment that a singer does not have to be able to sing in a huge range to be good.(And Amir was very good in Teri Deewani. )However,in my personal opinion,if one chooses a song with a wide range(which is integral to the song & repeated many times in the song),then it shld be delivered according to the range in order to do justice to the song.It can sound good if sung with modifications in the range too........but it cannot sounded perfect/flawless......this is bcoz,part of the beauty and difficulty of the song emanates from its range........

I agree that the modification is a smart thing to do....coz it cleverly covers one's weaknessses...which is a good thing...coz singing is all abt projecting one's strength.So I'm not saying that what Amir did was wrong,nor am I saying that his song didn't sound good...It sounded gr8..The point I was tring to make is simply that his performance was not what I wld term a flawless/perfect one...simply bcoz of the modification.......😃....this is purely a metter of personal opinion.......hats off to Amir for awonderful performance 👏

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

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😕 sounds like defending the singing that was not up to the mark to begin with....i think😊.

😆😆😆..........I really think Amir is a gr8 singer....his song(in my opinion)was fabulous......Didn't intend to start this post to defend/attack Amir...just wanted to express my POV abt some hitherto undiscussed aspects abt his performance in this song

PS:Ur comment was very funny and really made me laugh 😆😆😆

Originally posted by: rock&roll

In my personal experience and opinion,i thk a kid can quite easily sing in 2 octaves..Kids have high pitched voices and hence choose a higher base note...but they can still sing in the lower octave on that base note(which they have chosen)......

Sonuji's advise to Rohan(on omission of the high note) also sounded ok to me too,bcoz the high note in Rohan's song was not an integral part of the song.It was a fixture at the end of the song.....and not an integral part of mukhda/antara...I also agree on Sonu's comment that a singer does not have to be able to sing in a huge range to be good.(And Amir was very good in Teri Deewani. )However,in my personal opinion,if one chooses a song with a wide range(which is integral to the song & repeated many times in the song),then it shld be delivered according to the range in order to do justice to the song.It can sound good if sung with modifications in the range too........but it cannot sounded perfect/flawless......this is bcoz,part of the beauty and difficulty of the song emanates from its range........

I agree that the modification is a smart thing to do....coz it cleverly covers one's weaknessses...which is a good thing...coz singing is all abt projecting one's strength.So I'm not saying that what Amir did was wrong,nor am I saying that his song didn't sound good...It sounded gr8..The point I was tring to make is simply that his performance was not what I wld term a flawless/perfect one...simply bcoz of the modification.......😃....this is purely a metter of personal opinion.......hats off to Amir for awonderful performance 👏

Looks like you studied the song in great details. Thanks for a nice discussion.

Originally posted by: rock&roll

In my personal experience and opinion,i thk a kid can quite easily sing in 2 octaves..Kids have high pitched voices and hence choose a higher base note...but they can still sing in the lower octave on that base note(which they have chosen)......

Sonuji's advise to Rohan(on omission of the high note) also sounded ok to me too,bcoz the high note in Rohan's song was not an integral part of the song.It was a fixture at the end of the song.....and not an integral part of mukhda/antara...I also agree on Sonu's comment that a singer does not have to be able to sing in a huge range to be good.(And Amir was very good in Teri Deewani. )However,in my personal opinion,if one chooses a song with a wide range(which is integral to the song & repeated many times in the song),then it shld be delivered according to the range in order to do justice to the song.It can sound good if sung with modifications in the range too........but it cannot sounded perfect/flawless......this is bcoz,part of the beauty and difficulty of the song emanates from its range........

I agree that the modification is a smart thing to do....coz it cleverly covers one's weaknessses...which is a good thing...coz singing is all abt projecting one's strength.So I'm not saying that what Amir did was wrong,nor am I saying that his song didn't sound good...It sounded gr8..The point I was tring to make is simply that his performance was not what I wld term a flawless/perfect one...simply bcoz of the modification.......😃....this is purely a metter of personal opinion.......hats off to Amir for awonderful performance 👏

very well analyzed and put. truly impressed.👏now i know where to go if i want to ever hit the right notes😊👏

wondering if it'd be also possible to confirm whether his forgetting of lines in songs reflected a similar modify-to-cover philosophy?😉 dont know why else he'd forget lines which would sort of flow with the music.😉😊

Originally posted by: rock&roll

i agree that his range will expand with riyaz...don't mean to undermine his performance..as u might've noticed,I hae stated in the very first line that amny ppl,including me,believe it was among his finest performances.......

However i do not think it is difficlt for a child to sing in two octaves.On the other hand ,it is very easy for a child to sing in two octaves.Adults find it difficlt...coz range of voice is normally huge and voice is easily mouldable at a young age........I'm just saying that he has altered the song to his convenience ,thereby making it easier for him to sing......It still stands that he did an excellent and outstanding job......👏👏

i also think it's hazardous to exterpolate into the future and say that a kid's range will necessarily widen with riyaaz or anything, as shehzaadi91 here is stating. if that necessarily followed, then we'd have every kid who sang well today becoming rafi-like in a few years with riyaaz. dont know why but i dont think that's happening any time soon.😉😆 some of these singers are as good today as they'll ever be, cant count on more chickens than that😉😆