Khayyam-Rafi-Talat : Those inside stories - Page 5

Originally posted by: kabhi_21

It's funny the way you think that any slow number is classical or lori. 😆 Mediocrity is king.

Originally posted by: shadyhtown

300, 500 movies! 😳

And people say today's MDs focus on too much quantity over quality? 🤔

LP were quite prolific but mediocre too. All the others of the Golden Era who composed for 100 odd films of which 20% were very good can truly be called brilliant composers. In the case of SD Burman, Madan Mohan and Salil Choudhury, I would probably find 80% of the work outstanding. That's indeed quality.

Originally posted by: shadyhtown

Kya sahi baat kahi aap ne. It's so easy to be called a legend nowadays. Back in the days, did anyone call RDB, LP, Khayyam, etc legends? It's just in recent years, that people have become confused and started calling them legends, isn't it? Tsk tsk! Mediocre public, I tell you.🤔

What's your point? I am saying that in today's world, people like Himesh are already getting iconic status. HR's 36 hits in a row is treated like some amazing achievement. TV serials like Saat Phere and Ekta Kapoor serials get awards.Any starlet or TV actress becomes a celebrity for the mediocre public. The real legends from the Golden Era are being forgotten (unless someone copies from them and remixes them)

Having 36 hits in a year is amazing feat, Himesh really needs to be applauded. In today's industry hits is how success is counted

On the other hand if quality is more unique, lasting music, then HDDCS and Devdas music is going to last(it has been 8 years since HDDCS and still the music is as popular)

Khayyam saab is a legend today since he composed music that fit that generation and is still liked by many

Himesh's music certainly is liked today, if the same number of people like Himesh 20-30-40 years from now he too can be a legend

Originally posted by: punjini

Mediocrity is king.

No two opinions on that one, punjiniji. Where are the brilliant compositions and melodies these days - music is all about orchestrated beats and cover versions - music these days is mediocre. These days music is all about the caps you wear, the smile you don't actually do, the crooning of the wolves, the howling of the dogs and the foot tapping beats that you deliberatelty force into a number to make it appealing ...

For all the people who go by numbers and quantity (since people don't even remember these kind of music after few years), I can only think of the quote

"An Ant lays more eggs than a Hen ....."

😉 😉 😉

Originally posted by: *salil*

Realistically Khayyam saheb career spans 45 years. His first film Footpath came in 1953 and he practically stopped composing music from 90s. He composed music for nearly 50 movies in that period. His notable movies are - Phir Subhah Hogi, Shola Aur Shabnam, Kabhie Kabhie, Trishul, Thodisi Bewafaii, Noorie, Umrao Jaan, Bazar and Razia Sultan. It was after a long period of 15 years, he composed the music of Yatra.

There are a few more movies that had some excellent compositions. Also, Footpath (need to check) might not have been his first movie because he did compose (and sing) under the pseudonym Sharma ji.

Originally posted by: kabhi_21

Personally I did not like the song "Woh Subah Kabhi to Aayegi" I tried it because it was different genre that i have never heard. For me its more kind of a lori.... now dont say its my lack of musical knowledge.... Its my musical taste and I dont care from now onwards whether anyone like my musical tastes😃

I can only pity someone who can appreciate Himesh but cannot make out that "Woh Subah Kabhi to Aayegi" is a monumental, timeless composition penned by Sahir and set to music by Khayyam. I was not even born when this song was made. It was already an old song when I heard this for the first time but the beauty of the song was absolutely overwhelming. Oh well, I guess some people are not blessed with discerning abilities.

Originally posted by: simplyskud

Where are the brilliant compositions and melodies these days - music is all about orchestrated beats and cover versions - music these days is mediocre.

Skud bhai, welcome back.

this comment of yours caught my attention.It reminded me of my own family and their take on music during a serious debate. This very same comment I have heard my Grandpa make before, my dad make and now I also make. Is it something to do with generation gap?

In our house, hindi film music was banned when I was still a child. I remember, my bhai fighting for his rights to listen to Kishoreda songs and he too is a big RDB fan. It was one of those days, a major tussle between three generations for right to listen to music of choices, when my grandpa had said that.... according to him RDB was blasphemy....😆 in bengali he had said "Sachin Karta'r opodartha chhele....eta ke gaan bole.... ?" Even though I was very young I still remember the look of disbelief on my brothers face. My dad too agreed.😕

Cutting long story short, bhai managed to finally bring hindi songs home with the condition he would first listen to KL Saigal and then listen to Kishoreda.

Well, this is what every previous generation has to say about the next generation songs. You wont believe , now hearing the current songs on TV my dad the other day acually said, where did all those good composers go and in his list he had RDB's name too !!!!!

I am a hard core Kishoreda fan... and new or old , doesn't matter to me... Kishoreda will always rule the charts for me. To me he is my legend and thats all that matters.

There are some very nice songs even in this generation and there are some masterpieces of the past. I will only hear what pleases the ear and the mood.

Originally posted by: advil

Well, this is what every previous generation has to say about the next generation songs. You wont believe , now hearing the current songs on TV my dad the other day acually said, where did all those good composers go and in his list he had RDB's name too !!!!!

I am a hard core Kishoreda fan... and new or old , doesn't matter to me... Kishoreda will always rule the charts for me. To me he is my legend and thats all that matters.

There are some very nice songs even in this generation and there are some masterpieces of the past. I will only hear what pleases the ear and the mood.

Neither do I disagree with the generation gap part nor do I deny that there are some beautiful songs even in this age (Ilaiyaraja, AR Rehman and others) ... my only point lies in the fact that in this jet-age, music itself has moulded to a style where it is being churned out by the seconds ... as quantity takes precedence, quality is indeed taking a backseat ... a little variation here, a little variation there and you have another album - exactly sounding the same.

We're ending up with mixes, remixes and some more mixes ... compositions have become ordinary and music has become mediocre. As to the generation gap issue, it will always remain as long as generation remains ...

😉 😉

Regarding generation gap and the music of today, this is what I had posted sometime back in another thread--

The other day I was talking to a relative of mine, 23 year old boy, who came to the US 2 years back to do his masters here. He comes from a very well to do family and his mother used to a hobby singer in her college days, singing on stage for community programs and college functions. An avid lover of the golden era music, she has huge audio collection of golden era music which is regularly played in her house. So this young lad was brought up listening to good music. I asked him about his/his friends' taste in music and he said - in his parents days they had limited entertainment in one channel TV so they could spend more time listening to music of all sorts as music was the only other entertainment besides going to movies. On the contrary his generation has so many avenues for entertaining themselves like 100s of TV/Cable channels, internet etc so they do not have as much time for listening and appreciating good music as the previous generation did. The only time he would listen to music is in parties where there is no place for slow and melodious music.

Now he and his friends come from the background where they go to music shop in the spur of a moment and buy CDs worth thousands of rupees. It is this group that has 75-80% buying power and the today's MDs are catering to this group.

When I go to the live concerts of maestros here in the US, I find huge number of youngsters, dressed impeccably in rich Indian clothes, listening patiently to the rich Indian music. So it is not that all youngsters are behind the noisy music and the taste in good music is disappearing. But unfortunately these folks belong to a small group with limited buying power. And a very few MDs would like to cater to them today.