Khayyam-Rafi-Talat : Those inside stories - Page 3

Originally posted by: chatbuster

it's the day and age of numerous hits a year. lots of disposable income, exploding population etc. So i think 36 hits probably aint what it used to be back then. it's also hard imo for anyone to make a permanent mark anymore. just too much competition for entertainment mind share. shelf-life for music these days is very short. back then you probably had the same song play for a couple of years. nowadays, they come and go within a few months. so those 36 hits is more like 4 or 5 given how quickly we move on to new music these days. not as astonishing as HR is making it out to be. the only relevant comparison is that he is numero uno today, much like someone else was in the past.😊

I agree with you rahul on this..

Actually, Khayyam composed for only 32 movies in 37 years. http://imdb.com/name/nm0451541/

The reason why people say he's done only 7 movies is because only about 7 of those are well known or remembered. The rest are forgotten (much like yesteryear singers had 25,000 songs - 24,500 of which are forgotten).

And people say today's music is quickly forgotten. 😕

Originally posted by: sonyaee

Here's an excerpt from Raju Bharatan's book on Lata ji:

http://queenofmelody.rediffblogs.com/

The Classical Based Songs

Saiyaan kaise dhaaroon dheer – Sitaron Se Aage – There is a bit of history attached to this song. Apparantly, this is the number that led to a rift between S D Burman and Lata Mangeshkar leading to her not singing for the director for around six years. Quoting from Raju Bharathan's biography the story goes as follows: ""For a certain song,", Lata is quoted as saying, " I was asked by Dada Burman to sing in an extra-soft voice. I obeyed. The song as okayed. Later Dada thought that the choice of an extra-soft voice was not a happy one. So I got another message for a re-recording. I requested for a few days's time, as I was busy with other recordings. The machinations of certain 'kind' souls led to a misunderstanding and Dada called in another singer to re-record the song," ends Lata"That "another singer", Lataji was none other than Asha Bhosle! And the song, as revealed to me by that certain "kind soul", Jaidev, was Pag thumak chalat balkhaaye haay saiyan kaise dharun dheer (set to go on Vyjayanthimala in Sitaron se aagey : 1958). That Asha, in this saiyan kaise dharun dheer number, ultimately failed to come up with what Dada Burman wanted from you Lataji, is a pointer to how even something unsatisfactorily rendered by you, as Dada Burman saw it, was good enough finally to remain in Sitron se Aagey as it was in your voice. That is a tribute to the gap then between your vocals and those of others"

so latha too stopped singing for SD for six years because he gave one song to her sister asha...😆..

Originally posted by: shadyhtown

Actually, Khayyam composed for only 32 movies in 37 years. http://imdb.com/name/nm0451541/

The reason why people say he's done only 7 movies is because only about 7 of those are well known or remembered. The rest are forgotten (much like yesteryear singers had 25,000 songs - 24,500 of which are forgotten).

And people say today's music is quickly forgotten. 😕

the ratio of remembered is 20% how he became a legend then............

Originally posted by: chatbuster

it's the day and age of numerous hits a year. lots of disposable income, exploding population etc. So i think 36 hits probably aint what it used to be back then. it's also hard imo for anyone to make a permanent mark anymore. just too much competition for entertainment mind share. shelf-life for music these days is very short. back then you probably had the same song play for a couple of years. nowadays, they come and go within a few months. so those 36 hits is more like 4 or 5 given how quickly we move on to new music these days. not as astonishing as HR is making it out to be. the only relevant comparison is that he is numero uno today, much like someone else was in the past.😊

Actually, in the golden era, there was no one person who could be called numero uno! There were 10-12 composers or more, and all of them were brilliant! Frankly, I think competition was tougher then. Just imagine, people like Madan Mohan could not get Filmfare awards because other equally brilliant composers were getting them. There were fewer awards ceremonies too, not like today when everyone manages to get some award or the other.

Originally posted by: kabhi_21

the ratio of remembered is 20% how he became a legend then............

Who should be referred to as a legend? One with quality or one with quantity? Or anyone remotedly connected to music industry who is from olden era?

Originally posted by: kabhi_21

the ratio of remembered is 20% how he became a legend then............

oh simple. because 20% is actually a good ratio.😛

as for shady wondering about new age music, i'd think for example almost all of HR's 36 hits have already been forgotten. unless of course maybe the two of you actually remember all those hits off the top of your head?😉 if you cant, then it's obviously nothing that left a deep impression. not the stuff legends are made of to have the previous hit forgotten and discarded as soon as the new one rolls out😉😆

Originally posted by: Maya_M

Who should be referred to as a legend? One with quality or one with quantity? Or anyone remotedly connected to music industry who is from olden era?

one with quality and who is consistent 😃

Originally posted by: chatbuster

and apparently also in quantity greater than "only 7 films" that was being bandied about😉

in any case, even the few movies that ID has to his credit are not exactly monets. so dont know that one can even talk about some great quality work in his case😆

Aren't we talking about Khayyam sahab here? Why are you bothering ID again?😆

Originally posted by: kabhi_21

one with quality and who is consistent 😃

I would take that😛