DOTW - SRGMP Contests: Who should judge? - Page 13

Vijay, your list seems to include winners of other shows as well, some of which i admittedly have never watched. but from what i understand, the objective of FG at least was not simply to get the best singers. did they ever advertise that their hunt was for "India kee voice"? so let's not evaluate their winners on singing attributes alone when that was probably not the intent. fwiw, i think their intent was to provide a fare based around music and i think it did achieve that goal. also, i think it was about getting an "idol", which can include other personality aspects/ talents as well.

as for purpose of SGMP, i think it's always been about promoting good singing talent. the old format did that with only marginal success- shreya, kunal etc are basically among the very few who got noticed after 10 years of running the show. with public votes, we got more of that promotion, all within the space of a year. by and large, all good singers got their due. and we did get a lot of good names, didnt we? of course, how many ultimately make it big remains to be seen. but public voting did help give them the start in terms of bigger name recognition, didn't it?

incidentally, what was so wrong with debo? certainly better than some of the others that we keep pining for. 😉 😉 😉

Vijay, i think we are "judging" public voting too harshly. it's not even been a year. it took 10 years for the old show to produce just a couple of singers with any lasting impact. the new shows appear to be on track to do a lot better than that.

fwiw, i dont think the organizers of FG were too stuck up on finding the best singers. the game was entertainment, and entertain they did.

Vijay - I keep telling the show is just not about the winner, and you keep giving me examples of winners who were probably not the best of the lot...

I keep giving you examples of the talented singers who could get a well deserved break inspite of not winning, because the public involvement got them the recognition advantage to begin with, but you keep ignoring that as a gain from the show and keep concentrating on the winners alone...

As long as we dont even agree to what we are discussing, this discussion will not take us anywhere any further.

So, without spending any more words on the issue (which is yet to be agreed upon), I rest my thoughts on the topic!

NB: Go and do a reality check in India. How many people know Ronkini, Parthiv Gohil, Md Vakil, Soma etc vis-a-vis how many people know all the 12 finalists of SRGMP... You will get an answer on who got more recognition 👍🏼

Originally posted by: chatbuster

Vijay, i think we are "judging" public voting too harshly. it's not even been a year. it took 10 years for the old show to produce just a couple of singers with any lasting impact. the new shows appear to be on track to do a lot better than that.

fwiw, i dont think the organizers of FG were too stuck up on finding the best singers. the game was entertainment, and entertain they did.

i agree there..i think we should not judge public voting too harshly..i already gave examples of 2 singers from the southern peninsula..truly minority as far as viewing hindi shows...karunya was in top 2..and hemuwas in top 3(beating favs himani and nihra)...that shows public will vote for ANYONE who touches their hearts..need not always be technically perfect though....

maybe it is the voice they would like to hear again and again..that itself is enoughto to become a successful playbacksinger...with the technology available ,pitch etc can be corrected or enhanced easily enough!!

people who vote based on regional or communal basis is a very very small minority...remember rexd'souzas success..in FG...

Vijay bhai, Good job for single handedly holding the fort on the other side 👏 Looks like pro public voting are much more and more active..

Originally posted by: chatbuster

yaar, there we go again- using objective quantitative score type methodologies to judge music. btw, do u really need someone who has the qualifications of a miss world (and who has spent umpteen years grooming herself) to judge beauty? yes? no? dont know about u, but i sure can tell who i find beautiful. dont need mommy or some aishwarya rai to tell me what works for me. nor some fancy marksheet where we have tallied scores for nose, eyes, throat etc. down to the 5th decimal place 😉 J/K

aside from that, we keep conveniently glossing over other points-

1. who appoints those judges? in the course of these discussions, they seem to magically appear like manna from heaven. makes me feel i am watching some epic where we have folks with all the wonderful traits we so desire.

2. whose definition of "best" do we want to work with?

3. dont we have so many judges who have appeared on the show, most of whom have proven to be disasters from time to time? what do u think their "hit-ratio" is? better than the public?

4. it is a fallacy to think that the public erred in the case of c2005 and emaet. nihira and hema might be the only examples, but here also i can argue why they were not the best choice, but that wld invite massive wrath. point is- if public did fairly well in those challenges, why the gripe against having public votes.

5. the kind of judges we seem to want are no different from the professors in college- they can judge people on technical merits which often have very little to do with complete personality, the kind which gives rise to soulful/ appealing music.

6. to judge music one needs to have the ability to appreciate music, not necessarily be trained in those areas. in fact, the best judges are at times very removed from the field. they do not carry any baggage of sur, taal and all the mumbo-jumbo narrow tunnel-vision syndrome. and ability to appreciate music is an innate trait we all possess for the most part. dont need no big-time judge for that.

more to follow if needed...😉

Vijay, how abt answering some of the questions posed here😉 We seem to be stuck in a rut counting the odd-lot number of folks who made it thru the old shows😛

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

Mujhe bhi PM kar dena plzzz...😃

Add me to that list too please, I have been reading but since I stopped for a bit, this thread has just shot forward.

Originally posted by: galois311

Add me to that list too please, I have been reading but since I stopped for a bit, this thread has just shot forward.

nahee nahee... cant ever stop reading. reading's got to be life-long😆

Originally posted by: chatbuster

nahee nahee... cant ever stop reading. reading's got to be life-long😆

Aap itne lammmmbe paragraphs likhenge to kaun padega?😆😆

Originally posted by: charades

Percentage wise very less number of fully knowledgable people are present (Please keep in Mind I am referring to basics of Music)

So I cannot stand if you give power in the hands of Public who either has no knowledge or half knowledge on the basics of music as that deteriorates the quality of Indian Music

Indian Music degradation just because you want to prove you have power in hand and mess it up with your half knowledge or no knowledge is something I cannot tolerate..

Half Knowledge is Dangerous way too dangerous.

I agree...the public doesn't really vote based on only singing, they vote on how much they like the personality, how much of a novelty the person is, etc.

Maybe we just shouldn't call them singing competitions anymore....I mean if the producers are going to insist on public voting, then the shows should be called performance competitions or something.

A real singing show ought to not have public voting, in my opinion.