Is Himesh losing his Midas touch? - Page 12

Originally posted by: s.priya

I support you there Jadoo ji.

We have to be able to discuss anything and everything in the forum, sticking to the forum rules, so that all of us can co-exist.

This forum is intended for all. If not, we will have splinter groups or fan clubs where only praises come in plenty and at the end of the day, we can only praise so much. Sacharine when consumed in plenty can lead to diabeties.

Yep, that should be the ultimate section of this SRGM forum. Hmmm looks like...
Miles to go before the Mods can go to sleep... 😉😆

oh dear ..sorry if what i said has hurt anyone 😕 ...there is always a majority and minority it is a fact of life..
if one is a pritam ,zubeen garg,himani,vinit or hr fan..it is a bit tougher to debate
..i have seen even a respected forum member qwestji get defensive about zubeen..he once pmed a link to strings to listen..zubeen garg thread is indeed shouted down..it is a fact...

if both sides are equally represented it is interesting..otherwise there would be tension...

i dont want to see certain fan members relegated to their fan clubs and pms...

i hope my comments will be taken in a positive manner..

in my defense..i rather keep to myself..dont have any friends ,dont pm anyone,i post my thoughts and disappear..iam just an outside observer..

Originally posted by: jayc1234

cool points Priya...

But looks like at the moment, we dont have anyone to debate against 😕

All present here will speak for one side of the camp 😃

Arre in any debate where there is no one from opposite side, call Shady. He can argue either way, so he should be able to hold fort till some other members join him.

But if we are having a serious discussion, then we should have the rules out and maybe at the start of the thread, decide who falls in which side so that we ensure that no one side is heavily backed up and we know who all are in the ring for the discussion. Keepts matters in right perspective.

Is that ok?

If yes, we can select a topic and gather the members who fall on either side. We can do this via pms, so that we dont spoil this thread.

Originally posted by: ankita31

oh dear ..sorry if what i said has hurt anyone 😕 ...there is always a majority and minority it is a fact of life..
if one is a pritam ,zubeen garg,himani,vinit or hr fan..it is a bit tougher to debate
..i have seen even a respected forum member qwestji get defensive about zubeen..he once pmed a link to strings to listen..zubeen garg thread is indeed shouted down..it is a fact...

if both sides are equally represented it is interesting..otherwise there would be tension...

i dont want to see certain fan members relegated to their fan clubs and pms...

i hope my comments will be taken in a positive manner..

in my defense..i rather keep to myself..dont have any friends ,dont pm anyone,i post my thoughts and disappear..iam just an outside observer..

If I had to psycho-analyze you from your posts - you just watch SRGM for what it used to represent. Move on girl, move on - I have finally done it now (after EMAET) and hope you'll be able to as well...

Was written just in jest, nothing personal - ankita31 ji, hope it didn't offend you...

Originally posted by: ranig

Sorry , I should be more clear about my comparisons. I realized it after writing it. I was greatly impressed by the other singers I mentioned definitely. BUt, I went with a friend who was not really a fan of Hr, but I think HR even converted him.

What I was trying to say about his connection with the audience was something you need to experience. He spoke to the audience and he didnot sing his songs conventionally. What I mean is that for example He sang songs as to involve the audience. It was a unique experience from all the songers I have seen. Your right that Ghazal singers are different from a singer like HImesh. But, still you can still involve the audience and talk to them and involve them.

Thanks Ranig for this post.

This certainly puts the matter on a different perspective and I will agree with you that in a live concert, the one who engages the audience, the one who connects with the audience, the one who talks to the audience, not just by yelling into the microphone, but by his sheer presence on screen, he is the winner hands down.

Originally posted by: ranig

Why do we go to concerts. IF we wanted to just hear the music then we can listen to it at home. We go to interact with the singer and person we hear on the radio. It was his involvement with the audience that impressed me. That one felt that the man wanted us to all feel like one. He said things that were really great. Like once he said when he was trying to get us to sing with him that "remember, we all can sing" Many talented singers just come and sing and do not involve the audience at all. So you feel somewhat like your listening to them on Tv. Or that they sing their song like as it is exactly in the album with no changes.

While I havent attended any concert of HR, I will go with ur assessment of it, as your words speak a lot and if he has done that and more, it is indeed praise worthy and maybe that explains the reason why so many fans are going for it.

Originally posted by: raing

I have no problem with people who don't like his music. What rocks my boat may not rock yours. But, if I didn't express my opinion about the fact that I was highly and greatly impressed and enjoyed his concert. If I didnt defend someone who I enjoy just because the majority opinion is against mine, I feel I would be wrong.

I enjoy all types of music. As you can see I have been to all types of concerts. When I want to relax , I will put Ghulam Ali on. But, If I want to dance with friends at a party , for sure, I am not embarassed to say that there is nobody better than HR.

Music is indeed subjective Ranig ji and none of us are ever objective about our tastes, likes or dislikes.

The bold sentence is appluadable. Very well put.

If we do not appreciate someone, equally, we should be able to put our views across without being made to felt that we are losers for not seeing good music which is in front of us.

If you ask me, his jhalak dikhlaja and another recent song are identical. I heard three or four of his songs and it did not move me. Just as you are allowed to express your like, I am also surely allowed to express my dislike.

We both just need to remember that we can respect each others likes and dislikes without getting to blows. And we can argue on it passionately, without getting personal or attacking below the belt.

Originally posted by: ranig

I dont want to make anyone feel that I dislike their opinions against HR. I just feel that sometimes we should try to appreciate his success. And...Has anyone ever felt that criticism against him is a little much. Maybe not, maybe I'm the one who can't see it.

Ankita commets a few posts above suggests the way we are heading in this forum and that IS not and SHOULD not be the right way.

Sure, we can appreciate his sucess. provided we see it as a sucess. What if I do not see or perceive this as sucess. Do I still need to force myself to believe that what is before me is a sucess of HR.

Thats where we will begin to disagree.

😃 No offence Ranig. I am just making some points as I see them.

Originally posted by: jayc1234

The problem occurs when we become overtly emotional about something and loose reasoning... If we can detatch ourselves a bit from the person and focus only on the aspects of the debate, I guess we can carry out a healthy conversation.

Yes.

And we had a very interesting debate last week or so and which was passionately argued from both sides, but in a very healthy fashion.

We should have such discussions here.

Originally posted by: ranig

Sorry , I should be more clear about my comparisons. I realized it after writing it. I was greatly impressed by the other singers I mentioned definitely. BUt, I went with a friend who was not really a fan of Hr, but I think HR even converted him.

What I was trying to say about his connection with the audience was something you need to experience. He spoke to the audience and he didnot sing his songs conventionally. What I mean is that for example He sang songs as to involve the audience. It was a unique experience from all the songers I have seen. Your right that Ghazal singers are different from a singer like HImesh. But, still you can still involve the audience and talk to them and involve them.

Why do we go to concerts. IF we wanted to just hear the music then we can listen to it at home. We go to interact with the singer and person we hear on the radio. It was his involvement with the audience that impressed me. That one felt that the man wanted us to all feel like one. He said things that were really great. Like once he said when he was trying to get us to sing with him that "remember, we all can sing" Many talented singers just come and sing and do not involve the audience at all. So you feel somewhat like your listening to them on Tv. Or that they sing their song like as it is exactly in the album with no changes.

I have no problem with people who don't like his music. What rocks my boat may not rock yours. But, if I didn't express my opinion about the fact that I was highly and greatly impressed and enjoyed his concert. If I didnt defend someone who I enjoy just because the majority opinion is against mine, I feel I would be wrong.

I enjoy all types of music. As you can see I have been to all types of concerts. When I want to relax , I will put Ghulam Ali on. But, If I want to dance with friends at a party , for sure, I am not embarassed to say that there is nobody better than HR.

I dont want to make anyone feel that I dislike their opinions against HR. I just feel that sometimes we should try to appreciate his success. And...Has anyone ever felt that criticism against him is a little much. Maybe not, maybe I'm the one who can't see it.

I just wanted to add one more thing to my thought . That I don't have Indian television. All the HR music I listen to is according to my own volition. So when people say that his music is on non stop etc. I can't completely identify with that thought and maybe my opinions in regards to HR are reflective of that as well. I like his music, but yes I listen to it when I chose to. So when people speak of that, I do understand why they also may not like him.

But, I still hope some people can understand my point of view in regards to his concert and his ability as a singer and an artist. If not, Ke Sera Sera....... what will be , will be......

Originally posted by: ankita31

oh dear ..sorry if what i said has hurt anyone 😕 ...there is always a majority and minority it is a fact of life..
if one is a pritam ,zubeen garg,himani,vinit or hr fan..it is a bit tougher to debate
..i have seen even a respected forum member qwestji get defensive about zubeen..he once pmed a link to strings to listen..zubeen garg thread is indeed shouted down..it is a fact...

if both sides are equally represented it is interesting..otherwise there would be tension...

i dont want to see certain fan members relegated to their fan clubs and pms...

i hope my comments will be taken in a positive manner..

in my defense..i rather keep to myself..dont have any friends ,dont pm anyone,i post my thoughts and disappear..iam just an outside observer..

Ankita ji,

As you said, both in life and on forum, at some time, there will always be some on the majority and some on the minority.

It is not true that the majority wins always.

Debate or discussions are not won on muscle power or head count or supporters weight. It is decided on the basis of points put forth and points countered.

To do this, one has to be able to think and post objectively.

Originally posted by: s.priya

If we had to all say nice and beautiful things about every topic, there is no spark, no energy, and the debate will be just another place where everyone will say "yes sir, yes sir, three bags full".

One for the master, one for the dame, and one for the little boy 😛😉

Thanks S. Priya, for your comments. I think Hr is always a hot topic for discussion. Because there will be people who hate him and those who love him.

But, I appreciate the fact that you responded to my comments and have done so without any forcefulness of thought and like I said in my last post I do understand the fact that I listen to him of my own volition.

But, i Hope those who are on the fence in regards to his performance live, should know that I was impressed and so was my close friend who did not like Hr coming in and went because of me. Coming out, he thought he was the best performer he has seen. So, just a critique of his concert.

Sorry for the comparison drawn without clarification. Those people I mentionaed are my favourite singers- Ghazal and otherwise.