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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: punjini

Earlier, appraisals of singers/performers were confined to reviews in newspapers/magazines. With the coming of reality shows, the review is being done in the public domain, face-to-face. We don't know if this is right or wrong. "American Idol" introduced the concept of ruthless criticism which was enjoyed by viewers, whether or not the ones being subjected to it liked it.

Singers taking part in shows like these need to be prepared for the new realities. Until now, the Magical Mentors/Groovy Gurus were doing all the criticism while the guest judges were being effusive in praise. The guests made sure that each contestant was praised equally and ducked questions about who was best. Some broke into a dance while watching, some called singers "amazing, fantastic, rocking" and so on. It was getting quite predictable.

Not to forget that guest judges came to the programme to promote some movie of theirs and wanted to gain brownie points with the audience by being sweet and encouraging.

Paresh Rawal, however came with his own brand of candour. If he wasn't impressed, he wasn't and he didn't want to sugar-coat it. He didn't even talk about his new movie till he was asked about it, and then he just devoted a few sentences to it. I don't even remember him asking the public to watch it. As for the Rajeev-Vishwas spat, he rightly told them that one shouldn't get embroiled in minor skirmishes. Life has much bigger issues in store.

Comparing Shaan and a guest judge is like comparing apples and oranges. A host/anchor is not a judge. In fact, he acts like a buffer between the audience, judges and contestants. So Shaan always encouraged contestants.

If public criticism by judges at a show like this is not acceptable, then music reviews in newspapers/websites/magazines should also not be acceptable since these can also discourage artists, isn't it? Shouldn't these reviews be sent confidentially to artists after every programme in order not to humiliate them?

I believe the obligation of the music critique is primarily to their audiences/ readership, not to the artistes. In fact, they might have an adversarial relationship with the artistes. recall cases where artistes try to suppress certain critical pieces?

As for judges on musical shows, who do they have an obligation to? If we are saying that their criticism could be valuable to the contestants, then it seems we are suggesting that a large part of their obligation is to the contestants. as folks with some moral or humane obligation to the contestants, shldnt they then handle things differently than the professional critique?

vastly different cases, no?

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Posted: 19 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: chatbuster

I believe the obligation of the music critique is primarily to their audiences/ readership, not to the artistes. In fact, they might have an adversarial relationship with the artistes. recall cases where artistes try to suppress certain critical pieces?

As for judges on musical shows, who do they have an obligation to? If we are saying that their criticism could be valuable to the contestants, then it seems we are suggesting that a large part of their obligation is to the contestants. as folks with some moral or humane obligation to the contestants, shldnt they then handle things differently than the professional critique?

vastly different cases, no?



Certainly not vastly different cases. In fact, the example of office appraisals cited earlier could be called a vastly different case, since offices run on different premise.

Music reviews are for public consumption - anyone can read them. Reality shows are for public consumption, anyone can watch them.
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Posted: 19 years ago
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We are not disagreeing on this point.... What we are disagreeing is Paresh found both time and place.... I feel it was suitable and U dont think so.....😊

yaar, ab feelings se hee sara bayan karoge? thodi aur baatein ho jaatein toh? 😆

I dont like to disrespect others opinion.... thts why I said that if u think the place was not suitable its ur opinion and i respect it.....

At the same time my opinion defers.... so both the ways are closed

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: punjini



Certainly not vastly different cases. In fact, the example of office appraisals cited earlier could be called a vastly different case, since offices run on different premise.

Music reviews are for public consumption - anyone can read them. Reality shows are for public consumption, anyone can watch them.

yes, the reviews and the shows are for public consumption. BUT we are talking about PEOPLE here- the reviewer and the celebrity judge. you brought up the reviewer to make the connection that it behooved the celeb judge as much as the reviewer to make negative criticisms. i mentioned that their obligations and responsibilities are different. well, are they or are they not? are they the same? lemme know one way or the other, i'll take it up from there.

as for the office example, yaar, do we now have to go through building code laws and such? now, let's take your line and apply it to the show and the music reviewers office. arent those vastly different premises? we just rubbished my example for those building code violations. how about the reviewer's office? bull-dozer chala dein?😆

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: kabhi_21

yaar, ab feelings se hee sara bayan karoge? thodi aur baatein ho jaatein toh? 😆

I dont like to disrespect others opinion.... thts why I said that if u think the place was not suitable its ur opinion and i respect it.....

At the same time my opinion defers.... so both the ways are closed

yaar no problem. was just hoping the humor wld work both ways.

as for "feel", seriously i do value that, perhaps more so in other contexts than in a discussion forum. after all, we might not always be able to articulate things (not saying this is the case here), but cld have a gut feel which cld be more right.

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: chatbuster

yes, the reviews and the shows are for public consumption. BUT we are talking about PEOPLE here- the reviewer and the celebrity judge. you brought up the reviewer to make the connection that it behooved the celeb judge as much as the reviewer to make negative criticisms. i mentioned that their obligations and responsibilities are different. well, are they or are they not? are they the same? lemme know one way or the other, i'll take it up from there.

as for the office example, yaar, do we now have to go through building code laws and such? now, let's take your line and apply it to the show and the music reviewers office. arent those vastly different premises? we just rubbished my example for those building code violations. how about the reviewer's office? bull-dozer chala dein?😆



The music reviewer's obligations are towards the editor and thereby indirectly towards the readers. The editor will usually ask the reviewer to write an honest, unbiased review and take care not to use offensive language. The guest judge's obligations are not so clear. He/she comes just once and it is up to him whether he wants to use the limelight to gain brownie points by being sweet and encouraging (thereby promoting his/her film or music) or just giving his honest opinion without sugar-coating and let the brownie points take care of themselves. Nowhere is it specified that the guest judge has an obligation towards contestants.

Well, certain highly qualified debaters don't accept their far-fetched comparisons (e.g comparing Shaan to Paresh Rawal and saying look at Shaan, he is so positive with contestants or comparing office appraisals with reality show judgements) and when they are cornered, come up with "building code laws" and "bulldozers". 😆😆
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Paresh Rawal ne kabhi socha bhi nahi hoga ki ek din unke music judgement itna hot topic ban jayega !!!

baap re baap...😲

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: punjini



The music reviewer's obligations are towards the editor and thereby indirectly towards the readers. The editor will usually ask the reviewer to write an honest, unbiased review and take care not to use offensive language. The guest judge's obligations are not so clear. He/she comes just once and it is up to him whether he wants to use the limelight to gain brownie points by being sweet and encouraging (thereby promoting his/her film or music) or just giving his honest opinion without sugar-coating and let the brownie points take care of themselves. Nowhere is it specified that the guest judge has an obligation towards contestants.

Well, certain highly qualified debaters don't accept their far-fetched comparisons (e.g comparing Shaan to Paresh Rawal and saying look at Shaan, he is so positive with contestants or comparing office appraisals with reality show judgements) and when they are cornered, come up with "building code laws" and "bulldozers". 😆😆

haha... actually the entire question for me is about negative feedback in public. so the poor office performance appraisals still stand. sorry, no can over-turn it.😆

actually, good that we now find that the celeb's obligation is not towards the contestants. neither is shaan's. in my view, their obligations are more towards the show or the folks who got them there. if we accept that, then the comparison with shaan is more legitimate than the far-fetched laughter might imply, no? if shaan, who has so much music sense, does not find it necessary to offer criticisms in full All-India view, why shld the celeb judges? celebs hain, isliye?

as for brownie points, if we look around here, seems like PR got quite some. he's made a career out of playing that role, surely he knows the strings he is pulling, no? incidentally, as passive viewers, we sure love folks on candid camera, dont we? feel sorry for the contestants/ bakras though.

in any case, it's basic tenet with interpersonal/ communication skills that criticism if negative, shld be specific and narrow, not "acha nahee laga" generalizations. rubbish the office example all you want, but the underlying concepts are the same. in both cases, general negative stmts dont help.

nice also that we now realize that the reviewer/ critique and the celeb judge might have different obligations. that particular analogy does not work anymore, right? given this, MCD ka bull-dozer chalane ka order final karein, reviewer ke office peh?😆

Edited by chatbuster - 19 years ago
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: adi_0112

Paresh Rawal ne kabhi socha bhi nahi hoga ki ek din unke music judgement itna hot topic ban jayega !!!

baap re baap...😲

yaar, does mallika have to be the only hot topic now? J/K😆

i think PR wld be thrilled to find he's getting a hot image makeover here😉

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