Restructuring Saregamapa for 2006 - Page 16

Where is Sinhaji's comment? Did I miss it?

thoughts for restructuring sargamapa:

To quote a dead man: "Bury it so deep it will never be able to rise up again"

i disagree punjini , what i think is vinit and debojit never deserved to reach the agnipareeksha first of all.some of the good singers were thrown out even before finals.full of politics and away from reality.it sucks and the most important fact about saregamapa , which should be changed is.

IT IS JUST LIKE A EKTA KAPOOR SERIAL FULL OF DRAMA AND AWAY FROM REALITY ITS A FICTION AND A FILMY STORY , HIMESH JI WAS MADE THE VILAN.

Originally posted by: MrspetloverUS

Punjini,

Excellent topic and great input by everyone. After what I had read on forum last night on some of the threads I was disgusted and sicken by it. I had decided to totally give up on IF and leave but just was again going thru this thread. What a pleasant surprise. Healthy discussion, no bashing, no attacks and no childish behaviour from any one. I had to pinch myself and make myself believe this is true. So I decided to read it completely and add my 2 cents. In future contest I hope SRGMP does bring out the best voice of Inida not settling for ok. Well here I go.

1. Commitee is assigned to set rules and everyone abides by those rules. No deviation from it in middle of the contest.
2. 10-12 judges.
3. Don't want to know any personal information about contestants. That should not bear any weight.
4. No gharanas. Assigned memtors who coaches all contestants.
5. Eliminate Public voting all together or very small % assigned in combination with judges.
6. Several type of rounds. Classical, Semi classical, duet, no music, Sur and Taal round, latest movie songs, old movie songs, personal choice and Judges choice. (Judges choices songs should not be on the spot. They should be given time to practice so viewers really can benefit with great singing.
7. Music should be the utmost importantin judging. Rest can be appreciated. performace etc.
8. No lip syncing. No tracks. Live orchestra please.
9. I understand the show has to make money but they can come up with a better digestable idea than what they have used in C-2005 (SMS).

So far this is what I have. I am sure everyone has already made suggestions with this same thoughts. If I think of more will add.

Thanks for reading.

Hello Varshaji

Thanks for joining and for giving your suggestions. I guess, the reason there is no bashing on this forum is that people have spent their bashing energies on other threads!😆

Secondly, the word "Restructuring" used in the thread topic might have scared away a number of people who think it is a serious and boring topic!

Coming to your suggestions, I agree with most of them but I realy don't want the gharana system to stop. This gharana system is what distinguishes SRGMP from Indian Idol and other programmes.

Ideally each mentor of a gharana should have his own unique musical style. The MDs of the Golden Era such as Madan Mohan, SD Burman, OP Nayyar, C Ramchandra could easily have had gharanas named after them. Anyway, we have to make do with the current crop of MDs.

The gharanas should actually help to foster a spirit of healthy competition. This spirit of healthy competition was very much there in the earlier episodes of Challenge 2005. Do you remember how each mentor would praise the other to the skies? At that time there was a spirit of joviality, respect and healthy discussion.

It is only towards the end of the show, when the number of contestants dwindled and because there were no briefs given to mentors that melodrama or aggressive marketing were a no-no, that the show degenerated to a free-for-all. It is the fault of the management, not the gharana system. I really want to see genuine, logical debates between mentors rather than stupid debates about which region voted for who.

Originally posted by: punjini

Hello Varshaji

Thanks for joining and for giving your suggestions. I guess, the reason there is no bashing on this forum is that people have spent their bashing energies on other threads!😆

Secondly, the word "Restructuring" used in the thread topic might have scared away a number of people who think it is a serious and boring topic!

Coming to your suggestions, I agree with most of them but I realy don't want the gharana system to stop. This gharana system is what distinguishes SRGMP from Indian Idol and other programmes.

Ideally each mentor of a gharana should have his own unique musical style. The MDs of the Golden Era such as Madan Mohan, SD Burman, OP Nayyar, C Ramchandra could easily have had gharanas named after them. Anyway, we have to make do with the current crop of MDs.

The gharanas should actually help to foster a spirit of healthy competition. This spirit of healthy competition was very much there in the earlier episodes of Challenge 2005. Do you remember how each mentor would praise the other to the skies? At that time there was a spirit of joviality, respect and healthy discussion.

It is only towards the end of the show, when the number of contestants dwindled and because there were no briefs given to mentors that melodrama or aggressive marketing were a no-no, that the show degenerated to a free-for-all. It is the fault of the management, not the gharana system. I really want to see genuine, logical debates between mentors rather than stupid debates about which region voted for who.

Exactly my thoughts 👏

If anything, gharanas add a rainbow effect to the competition with each gharana presenting their own color and taste through its contestants. hats off to whoever came up with the gharana system in this challenge. also, gharanas promote a certain level of competitiveness among the contestants (and of course mentors) to uphold the prestige of their mentor and gharana and thus raising the overall quality of the competition.

the problem was that mentors were allowed to comment on stage and it was only a matter of time before that "certain level of competitiveness" degenerated into total chaos. after all, professional rivalry of mentors were quite understandable and evey mentor would naturally want to flaunt their talent through their contestants. so even a guesture or an exchange of a few words could be interpreted as insults thus intensifying enmity towards not only the other mentor but also against his/her gharana's contestants.

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Yes, it is the ego war and aggressive showcasing of candidates by mentors that was the undoing of this SRGMP Challenge.

That's why MANAGEMENT and BRIEFING of mentors and judges is so important. It seemed as if Gajendra Singh was allowing the mentors to do whatever they pleased.

In the beginning of the Challenge, the mentors were sending their disciples to other mentors to learn their songs with all humility. At that time I was so impressed by the upholding of Indian values and ethics.

I think the public voting spoilt the atmosphere of cordiality that prevailed before. Once the results started coming and it became clear that NE was backing Debojit, the battle lines were drawn.

It was the public voting system that vitiated the atmosphere not the gharana system, I feel. In fact the gharana system teaches pupils that there are so many different shades and styles of music. It also makes the TV-watching public realise that there are different styles propagated by different MDs.

The real culprits are public voting and poor management by Gajendra Singh. He hd better employ some experts (us!) to improve the programme! 😉

one more idea about gharana:

it may be more interesting to add a new dimension to the gharana system: training through rotation basis. So every contestant gets to enjoy being trained under all mentors (not at the same time though) which helps to imbibe different skills and knowledge from the different mentors. So contest X gets trained under mentor X for say a couple of weeks, then rotates into mentor Y's gharana for a couple more weeks.

Also the mentors will not get enough time to get emotionally attached to a particular contestant or harbor a "silent jealousy" towards another contestant (since he/she will get the opportunity to train that very contestant at some point).


Anyway, I brought up the "rotation basis" from job training experience. It works pretty well (I think)


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Originally posted by: friend17

one more idea about gharana:

it may be more interesting to add a new dimension to the gharana system: training through rotation basis. So every contestant gets to enjoy being trained under all mentors (not at the same time though) which helps to imbibe different skills and knowledge from the different mentors. So contest X gets trained under mentor X for say a couple of weeks then rotates into mentor Y's gharana for a couple more weeks.

Also the mentors will not get enough time to get emotionally attached to a particular contestant or harbor a "silent jealousy" towards another contestant (since he/she will get the opportunity to train that very contestant at some point).


Anyway, I brought up the "rotation basis" from job training experience. It works pretty well (I think)


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Someone else also suggested this. Sounds good in theory. But if you keep changing mentors, some of the fun will go away for the watching audiences. Let the mentors and disciples get attached. This is not a cold business. Emotions are important for an artist to add quality to his voice.

Originally posted by: punjini

Someone else also suggested this. Sounds good in theory. But if you keep changing mentors, some of the fun will go away for the watching audiences. Let the mentors and disciples get attached. This is not a cold business. Emotions are important for an artist to add quality to his voice.

the rotation basis can be implemented if we r still ok with allowing the mentors to throw comments on stage. the entire point of rotation was not to let the mentors get too attached to the contestants (to tone down negative comments if commenting is allowed) because even though emotions are important for an artist to add quality to his/her voice as u said, it also heats up the competetion.

so I guess, if we favor strong emotional attachments between mentors and diciples, then mentor involvement on stage should be minimized (which was suggested earlier) to salvage some decency as we learned it the hard way through this challenge 2005 (maybe the SRGMP producer were aware of this problem even if they didn't script some of it)

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Originally posted by: MrspetloverUS

I think this is a great suggestion. This way everyone is coached under each mentor's great expertise. I second this idea.

Thanks!

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