Restructuring Saregamapa for 2006 - Page 14

hi punjini.I think the older format of SRGMP is quite right.It consists 4 rounds 1st was contestants choice in which contestants can choose their own song, In this round song selection & singing given preference. 2nd round was duet round ,in which mukhada was sung by d host & 2 antara's by 2 singers.3rd round was judges choice.v imp round judges gave contestants songs of their choice. marks r depended on how well contestant execute d song.4 th round was of audience or musician gave singer opening note & singer has to perform it till musician gav an ending note. singer has a to get d sur & track till d end.frm dis 4 rounds best singers came out.Singers have to sing d songs on d spot.male& female differentiate frm each oder

& also judges r d reputed & best frm music industry

& also judges r d reputed & best frm music industry

Hi Asmita
I actually prefer that singers get time to prepare for whatever song they want to sing. Making them sing on the spot will not bring out their best and I want to hear each contestant giving his/her best.

Originally posted by: punjini

Just think, an eminent group consisting of Lata, Ravi Shankar and others will come all the way only to watch two low quality singers competing against each other in the SRGMP finale this time.

punjini.. sorry, I don't concur. You have written both of them off --"two low quality singers competing in the SRGMP finale this time." I liked your thread with some very good ideas on restructuring SRGMP, but I am bit surprised with your unacceptance of the final two survivors of SRGMP 2005.

Vinit has consistently sung well and has been the front-runner throughout this competition. As you remember, he always got better marks from mentors (both initially and at later stage) and also better scores and appraisal from the guest judges -- you can't say mentors and guest judges were always wrong! This beyond doubt proves that he is not a low-quality singer for this competition.

Because other good singers and your choice or Nihira, Hema, Sharib, etc., are not in the final now, you can't brush away a good singer who has consistently proved his mettle. Even if he is not the best in another person's view, he is definitely not a low-quality singer, keeping in mind the standard expected from a competition. Personally, I feel Vinit and Nihira are the only two most-deserving contestants in SRGMP 2005.

It's good to see some of the brilliant ideas that have come up on this thread... Though SRGMP 2005 may not have lived up to our true expectations, it has certainly been a great show. Everybody watched and enjoyed it. I will admit I enjoyed whole of SRGMP 2005 this year.

before giving some suggestions, let's keep in mind that there is a trade-off between popularity of the show and quality of the show (can't have the best of both worlds).

Here r the suggestions:

1. Start with a with small group of contestants (15-20) - this is the most important suggestion I have

2. Judge male and female contestants separately at any stage (challenge 2005 statisfied this in judges round but not in public voting round)

3. Open up more categories like singing classical, semi-classical, singing with and without music, ...

4. Every contestant should be tested against another contestant (of course male vs. male and female vs. female) by having them sing the same song using all the criteria of my point 3. This way, it will be easier to assess the strengths and weaknesses of the contestant. this is also 1 of the reason, that I said fewer contestants should participate, otherwise we will end up with too many combinations and the show will go on forever. This also eliminates the possibility of 1 singer dwelling in his/her comfort zone (like Vinit singing mostly a Rafi/ Sonu song and getting away with it). Also, the test will itself reveal whether a contestant entered the competition at an early age, with inadequate training etc. and leaves less scope for people to argue that he/she is only 16 or 17 and should get more credit (no sympathy).

5. Instead of eliminating contestants on a weekly basis, they should be allowed to perform for several weeks and then a weighted average should decide the elimination (again my point 1 should be followed to keep the length of the show in check)


6. Even if there is public voting, judges presence should be there to maintain some quality of singing. I felt that in challenge 2005, quality of sing on average was higher in the judges round than in agnipariksha round (even though there were some sparkling performances in the final stages). the reason was maybe because the mentors were trying to impress the judges like Shiv-Hari and in the process guided the contestants well.


of course, it all boils down to MONEY, so whether zee or SRGMP is willing to sacrifice economic advantages for quality is another issue.

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my favourite idea was to train judges about what they must look for in the contestants...although there was a better quality in the judges round compared to the agnipariksha round, some judges did make wrong decisions which eliminated some deserving contestents (remember when debojit was chosen over abhijit..and when twinkle was given green and himani was given yellow?)

i also liked the idea of not revealing the region which the contestant is from. the agnipariksha round was simply CORRUPTED. Debojit has reached the finals and great singers like Hemachandra and Nihira have been eliminated. and this is all just because a particular state has more people sending MULTIPLE VOTES than other states. after all ths is INDIA ki voice. i really do not think that either vinit or debojit desrve this title.

As far as HR is concerned, he is surely kissing good bye to the popularity earned by his music by using his marketing techniques to sell his product. but i must say that ID is no less. remember all that hungama about debo's 'guzri ma'? and recently he openly said that assam has brought debo this far and only they can make him win. and what about that natak of leaving the show. i will not bear to c ID or HR back on C2006. Adesh and Jatin-Lalit on the other hand were good mentors. Adesh only asked the public to vote for his disciples on the basis of music and he openly critisized his own students when he did not like his/her performance. Jatin-Lalit were also very encouraging mentors who paid alot of attention to little details that made the singing of the contestants worthwhile. it is a pity that either HR or ID will WIN this contest. this is the limit of stupidity!!!

Originally posted by: shehzaadi91

my favourite idea was to train judges about what they must look for in the contestants...although there was a better quality in the judges round compared to the agnipariksha round, some judges did make wrong decisions which eliminated some deserving contestents (remember when debojit was chosen over abhijit..and when twinkle was given green and himani was given yellow?)

i also liked the idea of not revealing the region which the contestant is from. the agnipariksha round was simply CORRUPTED. Debojit has reached the finals and great singers like Hemachandra and Nihira have been eliminated. and this is all just because a particular state has more people sending MULTIPLE VOTES than other states. after all ths is INDIA ki voice. i really do not think that either vinit or debojit desrve this title.

As far as HR is concerned, he is surely kissing good bye to the popularity earned by his music by using his marketing techniques to sell his product. but i must say that ID is no less. remember all that hungama about debo's 'guzri ma'? and recently he openly said that assam has brought debo this far and only they can make him win. and what about that natak of leaving the show. i will not bear to c ID or HR back on C2006. Adesh and Jatin-Lalit on the other hand were good mentors. Adesh only asked the public to vote for his disciples on the basis of music and he openly critisized his own students when he did not like his/her performance. Jatin-Lalit were also very encouraging mentors who paid alot of attention to little details that made the singing of the contestants worthwhile. it is a pity that either HR or ID will WIN this contest. this is the limit of stupidity!!!

1. my favourite idea was to train judges about what they must look for in the contestants.

Good idea. Also add that the mentors need some training in manners and also training in some humility. Example (u may not like it). AS and JL (specially AS) were acting like total jerks with their snobbish attitude against contestants as well as against a judge. It's ok to point out mistakes (like in JL), but it can be done in a more encouraging manner - not with statements like "sound like a beggar in Joyeeta's case". whatever the intention was, the statement itself was uncalled for.

Khayyam (if u remember who he is) was a judge (much more senior to both AS and JL). JL and AS openly challenged his decision and started howling like a pack of wolves. No harm in asking a judge the basis or methodology of his/her decision, but a little more humility helps. so I won't be surprised if AS students inherited some of his snobbishness or overconfidence (it's unavoidable when u know your mentor will support u whether right or wrong). I don't need to go in more detail who was inciting regional feelings with a total mob-like attitude - AS (at least on camera he was, maybe there were more players behind the scene).

2. Adesh only asked the public to vote for his disciples on the basis of music and he openly critisized his own students when he did not like his/her performance

So did ID. In fact ID praised all other gharanas and he was the most strict with his own contestants. and AS openly critisized his own students when he did not like his/her performance? very, very few cases to the extent that I don't remember clearly. if anything, he shamelessly supported his contestants even when they were openly exposed. eg. 1st round of agnipariksha when rajiv was pathetic and didn't even get scored in the mentometer. AS argued (when he knew that he was pretty much cornered) that it was the wrong scale or some non-sense like that. that hardly seems a criticism to me.

3. and this is all just because a particular state has more people sending MULTIPLE VOTES than other states

no 1 stopped the other states from sending multiple votes. it's not like some states r enjoying more priviledges when it comes to voting. if NE can beat the rest of India, too bad. Public voting sucks, but all contestants (with mentors) agreed to it knowing the potential consequences. when conditions didn't favor (AS again) then, India is reduced to West Zone, neutral zone, universal zone or whatever crap it was. maybe if conditions in the west zone didn't favor either, then maybe the moon would have been used as a neutral zone.

Anyway, best singer of this competition was Nihira (by far) and then Hema without a doubt. But I had to provide some counter arguments that pointed out some of the negative aspects of AS and JL whom u were praising while covering up their negative side pretty well. Other than that, I agree to most other things that u said.

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Originally posted by: friend17

1. my favourite idea was to train judges about what they must look for in the contestants.

Good idea. Also add that the mentors need some training in manners and also training in some humility. Example (u may not like it). AS and JL (specially AS) were acting like total jerks with their snobbish attitude against contestants as well as against a judge. It's ok to point out mistakes (like in JL), but it can be done in a more encouraging manner - not with statements like "sound like a beggar in Joyeeta's case". whatever the intention was, the statement itself was uncalled for.

Khayyam (if u remember who he is) was a judge (much more senior to both AS and JL). JL and AS openly challenged his decision and started howling like a pack of wolves. No harm in asking a judge the basis or methodology of his/her decision, but a little more humility helps. so I won't be surprised if AS students inherited some of his snobbishness or overconfidence (it's unavoidable when u know your mentor will support u whether right or wrong). I don't need to go in more detail who was inciting regional feelings with a total mob-like attitude - AS (at least on camera he was, maybe there were more players behind the scene).

2. Adesh only asked the public to vote for his disciples on the basis of music and he openly critisized his own students when he did not like his/her performance

So did ID. In fact ID praised all other gharanas and he was the most strict with his own contestants. and AS openly critisized his own students when he did not like his/her performance? very, very few cases to the extent that I don't remember clearly. if anything, he shamelessly supported his contestants even when they were openly exposed. eg. 1st round of agnipariksha when rajiv was pathetic and didn't even get scored in the mentometer. AS argued (when he knew that he was pretty much cornered) that it was the wrong scale or some non-sense like that. that hardly seems a criticism to me.

3. and this is all just because a particular state has more people sending MULTIPLE VOTES than other states

no 1 stopped the other states from sending multiple votes. it's not like some states r enjoying more priviledges when it comes to voting. if NE can beat the rest of India, too bad. Public voting sucks, but all contestants (with mentors) agreed to it knowing the potential consequences. when conditions didn't favor (AS again) then, India is reduced to West Zone, neutral zone, universal zone or whatever crap it was. maybe if conditions in the west zone didn't favor either, then maybe the moon would have been used as a neutral zone.

Anyway, best singer of this competition was Nihira (by far) and then Hema without a doubt. But I had to provide some counter arguments that pointed out some of the negative aspects of AS and JL whom u were praising while covering up their negative side pretty well. Other than that, I agree to most other things that u said.

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"2. Adesh only asked the public to vote for his disciples on the basis of music and he openly critisized his own students when he did not like his/her performance

So did ID. ..."

Not True..ID did not ask for punlic votes on the basis of music. Infact, he was always talking about Debojit's "guzri ma" and openly said that assam can make Debojit win. also he staged a drama of a walk-out which just shows how lowly he can drop. as far as AS and JL fighting with judges is concerned, i think that no one had fought as much as ID. remember when adesh was talking critisizing himani and saying that he won't say that her singing touched his heart. ID started fighting for no reason when AS had said nothing about ID or debo. this is just 1 of many cases where ID started a fight. AS and JL only argued when they did not agree with a particular judgement or comment directed towards them or their students. ID put words into people's mouths and started fighting for no reason.

Originally posted by: friend17

1. my favourite idea was to train judges about what they must look for in the contestants.

Good idea. Also add that the mentors need some training in manners and also training in some humility. Example (u may not like it). AS and JL (specially AS) were acting like total jerks with their snobbish attitude against contestants as well as against a judge. It's ok to point out mistakes (like in JL), but it can be done in a more encouraging manner - not with statements like "sound like a beggar in Joyeeta's case". whatever the intention was, the statement itself was uncalled for.

Khayyam (if u remember who he is) was a judge (much more senior to both AS and JL). JL and AS openly challenged his decision and started howling like a pack of wolves. No harm in asking a judge the basis or methodology of his/her decision, but a little more humility helps. so I won't be surprised if AS students inherited some of his snobbishness or overconfidence (it's unavoidable when u know your mentor will support u whether right or wrong). I don't need to go in more detail who was inciting regional feelings with a total mob-like attitude - AS (at least on camera he was, maybe there were more players behind the scene).

2. Adesh only asked the public to vote for his disciples on the basis of music and he openly critisized his own students when he did not like his/her performance

So did ID. In fact ID praised all other gharanas and he was the most strict with his own contestants. and AS openly critisized his own students when he did not like his/her performance? very, very few cases to the extent that I don't remember clearly. if anything, he shamelessly supported his contestants even when they were openly exposed. eg. 1st round of agnipariksha when rajiv was pathetic and didn't even get scored in the mentometer. AS argued (when he knew that he was pretty much cornered) that it was the wrong scale or some non-sense like that. that hardly seems a criticism to me.

3. and this is all just because a particular state has more people sending MULTIPLE VOTES than other states

no 1 stopped the other states from sending multiple votes. it's not like some states r enjoying more priviledges when it comes to voting. if NE can beat the rest of India, too bad. Public voting sucks, but all contestants (with mentors) agreed to it knowing the potential consequences. when conditions didn't favor (AS again) then, India is reduced to West Zone, neutral zone, universal zone or whatever crap it was. maybe if conditions in the west zone didn't favor either, then maybe the moon would have been used as a neutral zone.

Anyway, best singer of this competition was Nihira (by far) and then Hema without a doubt. But I had to provide some counter arguments that pointed out some of the negative aspects of AS and JL whom u were praising while covering up their negative side pretty well. Other than that, I agree to most other things that u said.

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what is wrong with AS questioning the regional voting patterns? is he supposed to be psychic that he were to know from before that one state would start voting more than others only for a person from their region. do u think that it was right for hemachandra and nihira to get out in that manner? if not then why does AS not have the right to question it?