Analysis by Disciple of Pt. Bhimsen Joshi - Page 3

And my heartfelt apology for wrong words, I disappear from this thread with best wishes for everyone as always.

Hi Abhi, How are you so sure that this is the same Anurag and not someone who is trying to fool us using his name. I have checked his website too. Anurag ji is genuine but this guy is not. Kya kya phek raha hai yeh aadmi. I am sure that this is someone else.
He says Debu has diction problems and Hema doesn't, Himani better in sur than Nihira. Khud Bhimsen Joshi ji bhi yeh nehi bolenge. He has completely exposed himself by making those two statments. Yeh aadmi paagal ho gaya hai. Although I don't have enough knowledge in Carnatic music but I understand Hidustani Classical to some extent. Yeh woh Anurag ji ho hi nehi sakte.

OK, then from tomorrow you will not see me in this forum. I will search the internet and find a website of someone who is a desciple of Pt. Jasraj ji and Parveen Sultana ji or Kishori ji and start writing using his name. 😃

I do like Doebo's voice quality better than Vineets I must admit. But lately Debo has been singing a bit off. Vineet sang a cupleof good rendeitions. But they vary and go in and out more or less. Rather inconsistently by song!

Taans in EE or AA area function of style - I use both sometimes. AA is preferred but when the pitch is high or in the higher actaves (taar saptak), an AA taan can sound very loud and amplitudinous, so EE is used to ease it down a little. Its also something I picked up from Panditji and is hard to drop now :).

Diction of both Debo and Hema had regional undertones no doubt. Vineet does have potential but his voice is so different at the moment, I wonder how much it willreally mature. Debo has a deeper voice as such. But both are sort of newcomers to music with lack of general control beyond basic singing. Had to explain in words. Its a feeling thing. It doesnt do it for me. Like some of Sukhvinder's songs had some feeling in them despite the fact that he has a think voice. His rendiion of "Sona Sona Mahi Sona" in AR Rehman's "Bombay Dreams" broadway musical, was very nice. I think music without soul is incomplete and these musicians lack the soul for sure. I don't feel the spirit. I remember when I was growing up, we used to learn and live in the household of Narayan Rao Vyas and now his sons Vidyadhar Vyas (of CR Vyas fame) the famous classical family in Bombay. They were all purists of the extreme senseadn it was great to learn the technicalities of classical music from them. They sand very nicely as well but the music lacked the "spirit" that Bhimsen Joshi had. and thats what kept them from going really far and they kept to teaching music more or less. Happens to a lot of musicians.

Anuragji,

Thanks for starting this thread.

I hope that those with good music knwoledge use this thread for a quality discussion. Those who enjoy music should tune in for music appreciation lessons.

I greatly enjoyed the Saregama songs many times but even more times, I felt that the hype and goose bumps thing was hoopla. I do not think that any person having one or the other favorite should be a problem but let us stick to speaking respectfully. It would be great to have more people who can speak knowledgeably about music, and the least qualification should be an honest love of music and a strong desire to learn.

Is there a website for Pt Bhimsen Joshi......??

Originally posted by: bigmac

albeit unnoticeable to the common listener, but certainly noticeable to a musician or educated audience. People think this does not make a difference. It does make a difference.

They are not singing for few musicians or educated audience. To be able to become "India ki voice", they are targetting larger audience, who are neither musician or educated audience (myself included).

Originally posted by: bigmac

He would also need to work on his pronunciation. I grew up in Jamshedpur (200 Kms from Kolkata) among Bengalis, so know what I am talking about ƒ.

I am from UP and I have noticed more pronunciation issues in Hemu's voice than Debu's. I have downloaded some of their songs sung in this Challenge.

Originally posted by: bigmac

the fact remains that music is mainly about how it makes you feel.

Exactly my point! Pasand apni-apni, khayaal apna-apna. In my opinion and as a common listener, Himani is good but her area of strength is very limited. On the other hand, Nihira's voice is sweet and covers wider spectrum. As a playback singer, I see Nihira way ahead of Himani.

Peace!

...Manjeet

I very well agree with your analysis.
I am a karnatic/hindustani classical singer myself and I feel exactly the way you do about sur. When someone sings off sur it is very torchuring.
It is a shame Hemu went out.
My order of best singers are exactly the same
Hemu, Himani, Nihira, Vineet and debu

Seems like even this thread is getting cramped by people who do not want to talk learnedly or even show genuine appreciation for music; but just want to tout their favorites. If someone does not agree with them, all aspersions will be cast.

Let me say this clearly as my opinion:-

Nihira was good in some songs. Himani was very good in more songs.
Debo sounded good at times. Vinit has sounded better more times.
Lately, I have enjoyed Hema's singing, particularly enjoyed the Kawa Kawa song. Would like a knowledgeable comment on that rendition.

Regards

Originally posted by: srianne

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OMG, What is up with you people? He did say Debo has diction problems, but never said Hemu doesn't have. Does it even occur to you that probably he unintentionally skipped that point?. I can't believe you consider yourself above everyone except the musical

going by same can we assume he skipped to identify sur of Nihira...😉

It is understandable that you are a Debo fan. You do not need to react like his wife in appreciation of him and against those who think he is quite average.

If you cannot keep your comments about yourself, music or musicians (maybe critical without being rude) this thread should not be for you.

adwarkaji, you seem like a very knowledgeable person. Please grace this thread with that wise part of you.

Originally posted by: adwarakanath

You learnt both? Even 'K'arnatic? Wow!
And now you're 'torchuring' us with your English...it sure needs to be 'tonsured' a bit.