Analysis by Disciple of Pt. Bhimsen Joshi - Page 2

Originally posted by: uselogic

loved you first two posts( which i cut and pasted in a new thread) but the third one which you wrote on the new thread , i disagree with few points.. I have no issues where you are putting your website as part of u r signature.. 100 out 100 people would have done it ...and as u have metnioned that u gave it for a different reason..so i buy that....let me come to the point..

1. When u say NIHIRA went out of surs , lot of times, can you give examples , where did she go wrong? you must know EXAMPLE TEACHES BETTER THAN PERCEPT.

2. I was really suprised when u said debo has dictions problem whereas you never mentioned about hema's Diction problem which is far more more distinctive...

3. I agree that HIMANI voice has lot of "pain".

4. Did you watch other contestants like SHARIB, SWANANDA, UJJAINI....

5, Also i would like to know more about your views on mentors ( from thier music sense perspective) and your all time favourite MDs.


can you please respond to questions...it is very important for you to answer these things...or else next time if somebody comes out with such analysis , no body will beleive him.her...also i have tothink 100 times before reproducing this kind of articles..

awaiting your reply...

o cum'on uselogic ji ... cool down and just try to use some logic ( though i know you can't).. and you'll learn a lot many things ...

in your first point above you have asked to site an example for where nihira went wrong .... then my dear friend i'm afraid to say that you haven't watched all the episodes of the program carefully had you done the same you would have never asked the question ....

for the second point the only thing i can say is that please come out of your obsessioon for debo ...

well your third point is a valid point and everybody does agree ...

for the fourth point ... i want to say that the singers must not only possess pain in their voices but they must be versatile ... which the above singer fail to fulfil ... and they lag behind other singers in this department ..

your fifth point again shows your personal grudge which you want to fulfil agaist some mentors ...

Moreover Mr. Illogic.. i mean Uselogic ... I have seen that in your earlier posts you have praised Anuragji ... but later you have tried to bash him ...

can we know about this " Thaali Ka Baingan " like behaviour of yours 😃

surely you have been successful to show one more of your great qualities

Originally posted by: Shantibai

damn
for a MIT you sure sound wishy washy with your dissertions BRo
are you happy with Nihira or not?
yes or no?
you keep vaccilatiing ...........this is not management seminar you know where postulates change in accordance to the budget sanctioned😉
Too bad you a man of uncertainties have taken upon yourself to offfer such shallow dissertations
I just wasted fifteen minutes of my sleep time to read all this hogwash

Shantibai wrote: abhilaash please forgive vadayor he is all twisted and getting over his himesh hangover tomorrow he will once again be royadav....... 😉

Well Miss Shantibai..😉 i guess you yourself are twisted by the debo hangover .. and have lost all your logic... this your grudge against HR and vinit which has been coming out of you.. or what else it may be ... for your kind information .... deboo is married .. 😉 you are waisting your chance and time ... 😆 so please come out of it .. and be logical .... 😆

Originally posted by: adwarakanath

I agree with Srianneji.
In the post by uselogicji also, where you'd posted this, i thought Nihi was always almost perfect in sur.

arey dwarkanath ji .. you know thotha chana baajey ghana ..

Check out his web site guys. I gathered that he knew his stuff.

Originally posted by: royadav

o cum'on uselogic ji ... cool down and just try to use some logic ( though i know you can't).. and you'll learn a lot many things ...

in your first point above you have asked to site an example for where nihira went wrong .... then my dear friend i'm afraid to say that you haven't watched all the episodes of the program carefully had you done the same you would have never asked the question ....

for the second point the only thing i can say is that please come out of your obsessioon for debo ...

well your third point is a valid point and everybody does agree ...

for the fourth point ... i want to say that the singers must not only possess pain in their voices but they must be versatile ... which the above singer fail to fulfil ... and they lag behind other singers in this department ..

your fifth point again shows your personal grudge which you want to fulfil agaist some mentors ...

Moreover Mr. Illogic.. i mean Uselogic ... I have seen that in your earlier posts you have praised Anuragji ... but later you have tried to bash him ...

can we know about this " Thaali Ka Baingan " like behaviour of yours 😃

surely you have been successful to show one more of your great qualities

A JAUNDICED EYE SEE YELLOW EVERY WHERE.. I DONT WANT TO REPLY TO YOUR writings as these forum is not for fighting with each other... i am too mature to get into this type of petty fights..it was me who brought this article because i liked it but when i had some disagreement i thought of clearing it out and not alleging as you said....and by asking him to give his description about MDs, the motive behind was to gaze his analytical skills..anyways thing like this will not get into your mind..

a quote for you:

NEVER FIGHT WITH A PIG, NOT ONLY YOU WILL GET DIRTY BESIDES THAT THE PIG LIKES IT.

the site is not opening....did anyone access it lately?

Anuragji's analysis shows the quality of the artist in him. The music on his site is absolutely amazing and I thank him gratefully for sharing it with us.

Mr. Sinha, please take some manner lessons. You cannot be allowed to sit in a concert with your fowl manners.

Originally posted by: N Sinha

what has happened to you AD & Raghav:

tomorrow this person says Sunidhi is better than Lataji & you will agree...?? Be mature Adrak.
Even if you don't support me I can take cudgels on my own to prove that Nihira was far better than Himani.

BTW ask this fellow to stop misusing tha name of greats like Bhimshenji & have balls to give his articles his own name....FRAUD.

Guys

I realise there is the issue of Himani Versus Nihira and people have their own reasons for voting either way. I did not really say specifically that i considered Himani any better than Nihira. Yes in the ranking chart I felt that in the overall performance Himani jived with me slightly better than Nihira in terms of overall versatility of songs. I know it is hard to for people to understand but these singers by and large sing out of tune a lot of the times. Its not on one occasion or instance. Every time they did something slightly cumbersome, the sur went out the window. But the mentors kept saying "bahut sur mein gaya"- what are they smoking when they say things like that! I know of a lot of music teachers and trained musicians who sing that way so its not that one has to blame these new upcoming playback singers for anything. Its just the way things are. With training and riyaz they will get much better. Its a function of effort. And sometimes one either has it or one doesnt.

Like Asha Bhonsle ji has said in her article on this forum - at the end of the day there are 4 or 5 musicians who are born once in centuries.

Thats why it is important to get extremely talented judges to adjudicate the final 5 or 10, so that all the little nuances can be honed in on, and addressed while making a judgement. Each of the singers in the final 5 on SRGMP has a distinctive style and will fit a certain type of singing role and genre very well. That was the way in the past during the early years, and it is the way now.

The thing is that one really doesnt need to be a very good singer nowdays to sing in bollywoood playback (as quoted by Manna Dey in his interview posted in this forum, and I agree with him. There is really no music director of the caliber today of say Salil Chaudury or SD Burman etc. AR Rahman came close and produces amazing music but even he comes out with some real crap sometimes. Much of music composing today is "computer engineering" - using the best techniques to produce the best tunes and they still cant get the songs right! Many a times the singers are recorded separately and then their voice is pluggedinto the music at certain places. This is odd but happens a lot in bollywood! Voice is simply a sound byte like guitar or bass - thats why they call it "vocals" now. And vocals can be adjusted by the computer to sound like anything. I am serious!

Nihira and Himani are good singers and they will go places I am sure. So are Hema and Vineet and Debo in their own respect. Each of them falters in certain types of songs but thats ok. They are young and have decades ahead of them. With time, their voices and style will mature, hopefully.

I am sorry but I didn't like Sharib and some other past singers. But that's just me. Dont beat me for it. Its just an opinion like each of you have. I hear and see things from my perspective thats all. The singing of these contestants realy doesn't move me. When people say they got goosebumps after hearing the song, I really wonder - but I respect that. But then I think that if you are getting goosebumps by these contestants, what happens to you when you listen to a Kishore or a Rafi or a Manna Dey or Late, Asha, Mehdi Hassan, Ghulam Ali....

The world has become strange now - In the U.S. Talat Aziz was touring with Ghulam Ali - can you believe it! The most besura Ghazal singer doing jugal bandis with among the best Ghazal singers ever born! But that's life.

Lastly as regards those saying I am a fraud - I wonder how one can possibly come to that conclusion after I voluntarily gave my web address where some of my recordings and concerts are posted. Unless they think I didn't sing those concerts! Yeh bhi theek hai. I respect your views. Its ok.

Originally posted by: srianne

Why is everyone attacking Mr. Anurag now? Just because his list doesn't match with yours. I am a big Nihira fan too. But as a musician he had said his POV, to take it or leave it entirely upto us. Can't we do that in a more matured way rather than doing it in HR's way? Please do let others voice their educated opinion and let them say their POV without fearing of being attacked.

Just what I thought

Originally posted by: srianne

Why is everyone attacking Mr. Anurag now? Just because his list doesn't match with yours. I am a big Nihira fan too. But as a musician he had said his POV, to take it or leave it entirely upto us. Can't we do that in a more matured way rather than doing it in HR's way? Please do let others voice their educated opinion and let them say their POV without fearing of being attacked.

I apologise for my misconduct. Have you ever seen me losing control since so many days till now..........? Here are my Qs:

1. Nihira is the only singer who has been given greens in one go uptp finals, things plummeted only when she was subjected to public voting.

2. She has been given green by Shiv-Hari/KK/Pt. Jasraj & others, I hope they have good musical sense if we are deaf.

3. He mentions about diction problem of Debo but forgets about Hema's...why, both of them need correction in urdu diction. There is a certain problem of anuswar with them.

4. There are other sangeet Vishards in this forum who have been writting, there view is opposite when it comes to Nihira Vs Himani just like Pt Jasraj & others...

5. I would appreciate if someone writes in his own name rather than taking big names to make it heavy.

I would probably never meet this guy Mr Anuraag, Ive no animosity for him or anyone.

Over & out.