Nihira & 2 octave singing: - Page 3

Many thanks for replying Vidyaah , Im grateful. 👏

Originally posted by: jmn7

N sinha,
I can only say one thing.If you look at nihira's singing of HRHK,you will realize that she went out of breath and missed an entire word in the song.Hare rama,hare krishna,.......hare krishna.I think you remember now.Can we call that perfect singing?Did she deserve 10 points from all the three mentors?If you look at the original song rangeela re,you will find that the original version had a lot of energy,more tempo,and was faster.Today with the help of a wave editor software,we can increase the speed,and pitch of the song.But even if we look at the general singing,you cannot picture urmila matondkar singing and jumping in that song.

shw was given 10 by all mentors for not missing sur, she is technically very corret, and for maintaining quality throught out the contest, it was an overall impression rather than a single performance.

Originally posted by: jmn7

N sinha,
We have discussd this issue before.About the expressions of a song.If you are a music composer,would you give 'yaaiye re' song to nihira?Give a correct answer.just to know your opinion.

I'm not that talented to be a music composer,commenting on whats going on is one thing and being in the thick of it is another, this I think only a MD can answer.
Other than that Ashaji's voice has midas touch, if she gives her sound to even an ordinary composition it becomes golden.
So I think no one can answer your question really, because there will be an automatic comparison with Ashaji. And the result you know.....

Niraj, this is an interesting thread you have started. These are my views:

Two ocatve singing may not be difficult for few, but is difficult for many and that too, to sing spot on, in a single take. Even Ashaji did not attempt it. The other thing that I would like to add is the mix of meticulous Hindi and English notes in the song. That is also generally difficult to accomplish unless you are excellent in both. She executed both the notes beautifully, which many of our very talented classical singers would also struggle with.

I think that Nihira sang that song effortlessly that is why it appears easy to most, but believe me it is only an extremely accomplished singer who could sing that song in a single take.

I also agree with the theorem that it is maybe more difficult to bring meticulous variations in a song and that too again in a single take but that is not the point of this discussion. We have seen Nihira accomplish that too given the song and situation.

This post is not to put Nihira on the sky and put others down. But I do believe that she has the talent and range which will surpass our contemporary playback singers. To reiterate SLB's words "she is the hop of India's tomorrow in music". No two questions on that. 😊

Originally posted by: kaboo123

Niraj, this is an interesting thread you have started. These are my views:

Two ocatve singing may not be difficult for few, but is difficult for many and that too, to sing spot on, in a single take. Even Ashaji did not attempt it. The other thing that I would like to add is the mix of meticulous Hindi and English notes in the song. That is also generally difficult to accomplish unless you are excellent in both. She executed both the notes beautifully, which many of our very talented classical singers would also struggle with.

I think that Nihira sang that song effortlessly that is why it appears easy to most, but believe me it is only an extremely accomplished singer who could sing that song in a single take.

I also agree with the theorem that it is maybe more difficult to bring meticulous variations in a song and that too again in a single take but that is not the point of this discussion. We have seen Nihira accomplish that too given the song and situation.

This post is not to put Nihira on the sky and put others down. But I do believe that she has the talent and range which will surpass our contemporary playback singers. To reiterate SLB's words "she is the hop of India's tomorrow in music". No two questions on that. 😊

why Pancham used two sigers in this song:
Pancham wanted a voice sounding westernly & very thick. Ushaji was obvious choice for that, Ashaji's voice was used in the song to give it an Indian flavour while Ushaji was used for wetsern flavour ofcourse, the very situation of the song in film needed Jeenat singing with a crack-addict, hence two singers.
For those interested: Dev Anand was the moving spirit behind this song and he sat in the studiio till this song's recording was over and he thought this would be be the soul of the movie, but things went otherwise & dum maro dum became the lead song.
. Pancham has intelligently used key notes of few chords to produce whole chord like effect . That's what makes this song sensational.

Respect123 wrote :
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vidyaah,
And I meant no disrespect either. But answer this - if the 2-octave singing is the first thing that is taught in alaap .. then why didnt Asha Bhosle sing it in one go?? Why did she sing the Rangeela Re 3 different times (in 3 octaves) and then they synthesized the song to make it overlap? Come on Ashaji to ek hi baari mein gaa sakthi thi na...then why did she go to the trouble of singing 3 separate tracks? Obviously it is because it is not the easiest thing - and an usually unappreciative AS himself had to tell the whole world that singing 3-octaves in live and in one go was difficult and yet Nihira did complete justice to it. And it wasnt 2-octave it was 3-octave.
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The reason for that is AR Rehman usually only has a tune in his mind when he asks the singers to sing. You may find it hard to believe but most of the times, his songs are sung by singers without any music accompanying it. It is only later that Rehman puts in the instrumetation, interludes, music and everything. This is y he asks the singer to sing in 2 or 3 octaves and later uses whatever he feels is the best for that song.

Ashaji also would have been asked to sing the song for him in 2-3 octaves and later he mixed them to get the track he wanted ..

Well said Chimichanga. There you are now.............I hope everybody must have got it now.........

Originally posted by: sunsha

Someone talked of 2 or 3 octaves.The person does not know music then.
There are only 2 octaves in a particular song...which means 8 notes higher than the normal note(higher octave) and 8 notes lower than the normal note of the song(lower octave).
A song can have various levels of notes..in mukhda or in antra but octaves can be only 2.

Again singing in 2 octaves is a normal routine for any trained singer and its no big deal of 1 singer to sing in 2 octaves in same song.True test comes when the singer has to sing within the given frame(of taal) modulating the voice and pitch.



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I was the one who spoke of 3 octave singing and I take offense to the fact that you state as a fact that there could be only 2-octave singing. Please read the following article (one of thousands) which speak of singers reaching 3 and sometimes (rarely) 4-octave singing and revise your own knowledge of music.

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view.php/720

http://www.snopes2.com/music/artists/carey.htm

Here they claim that Mariah Carey has a 5-6 Octave range .

Also they say some Italian Sopranos reach 4-Octave range singing commonly

http://surveycentral.org/survey/12372.html

Also - this isn't a personal attack !

Cheers 😛

what's the name of the song himani sang? kachche dhaage? Where can i find the original?

Originally posted by: respect123

Many thanks for wonderful information, the sites have a lot of info. May I humbly request everyone to please keep this discussion technical & lets not use this to attack another singer.............

I was the one who spoke of 3 octave singing and I take offense to the fact that you state as a fact that there could be only 2-octave singing. Please read the following article (one of thousands) which speak of singers reaching 3 and sometimes (rarely) 4-octave singing and revise your own knowledge of music.

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view.php/720

http://www.snopes2.com/music/artists/carey.htm

Here they claim that Mariah Carey has a 5-6 Octave range .

Also they say some Italian Sopranos reach 4-Octave range singing commonly

http://surveycentral.org/survey/12372.html

Also - this isn't a personal attack !

Cheers 😛

Many thankx for sharing all the info.
May I request every one to use this thread for a technica discussion & not to lash out at singers please..............