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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Indradhanush

Before we embark further on plagiarism it is imprtant we differentiate between plagiarism, genuine inspiration and blatant copying. The last is pretty clear and one such example is pritam's zara zara kiss me for race from a Taiwani music. I do think that is not very pleasant. But coming to inspirations like back street boys crazy vs ARR's o humdum suniyo re (saathiya) or kelele vs parkathey (where ARR has fitted lyrics on raag deshkar while initial 3 bars are same and what a lovely bassing, I would let any one go for such an experiment. Similarly michael learns to rock ( I am no actor) vs jaane na kaha from Jane tu...again from ARR's house are posted at few sites as copying but they are actually soft rock ballads with similar arrangements hence sound same.

Similarly R D Burman chura liya hai has inspiration from its tuesday, very beautiful extrapolation of few chords or simply two chords from gods of war to aa dekhe zara

or o maria vs mamoniya (Beatles), listen to them they are vastly different, we shouldn't run down some one's creativity and efforts for something posted some where, regarding itwofs let's remember the owner himself has disclaimed he doesn't have sufficient knowledge about music and the postings are not entirely his.

When a composer is writting notation he may actually not remember why he is writting particular bars or whyare they in his mind there.


I at times feel what if nearly 400 raagas were patented we never would have got so many beautiful songs from 60s till now. After all the songs based on raaga also sound very similar.




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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Indradhanush

Before we embark further on plagiarism it is imprtant we differentiate between plagiarism, genuine inspiration and blatant copying. The last is pretty clear and one such example is pritam's zara zara kiss me for race from a Taiwani music. I do think that is not very pleasant. But coming to inspirations like back street boys crazy vs ARR's o humdum suniyo re (saathiya) or kelele vs parkathey (where ARR has fitted lyrics on raag deshkar while initial 3 bars are same and what a lovely bassing, I would let any one go for such an experiment. Similarly michael learns to rock ( I am no actor) vs jaane na kaha from Jane tu...again from ARR's house are posted at few sites as copying but they are actually soft rock ballads with similar arrangements hence sound same.

Similarly R D Burman chura liya hai has inspiration from its tuesday, very beautiful extrapolation of few chords or simply two chords from gods of war to aa dekhe zara

or o maria vs mamoniya (Beatles), listen to them they are vastly different, we shouldn't run down some one's creativity and efforts for something posted some where, regarding itwofs let's remember the owner himself has disclaimed he doesn't have sufficient knowledge about music and the postings are not entirely his.

When a composer is writting notation he may actually not remember why he is writting particular bars or whyare they in his mind there.


I at times feel what if nearly 400 raagas were patented we never would have got so many beautiful songs from 60s till now. After all the songs based on raaga also sound very similar.

Plagiarism is copying of the work of another and representation of that work as one's own original work. That should be deemed criminal. A lot of Indian music composers and movie directors do it and get away scot free.
I underdstand inspiration but even in those cases the composer should credit the original score Vis--vis who or what inspired him. Nobody from India has done that yet. It's all about ethics and honesty and sadly it's missing in India (so far).
Nobody's saying that all the good tunes were stolen. Nevertheless, as an analogy, If I earn 100 rupees honestly and 100 rupees by stealing, am I innocent or am I guilty?
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Posted: 16 years ago
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First I think we are drifitng away from the topic, here thread is supposed to compare two musicians. Anyway.

You are right there has been plagiarism and some got away. In old days it was difficult to trace the roots now with internet and plenty of information available we can trace source far more easily, plus not many were aware of copyright violation which has increased now. This is one reason other than Pritam very few are resorting to blatant copyng now a days.

Rahi baat giving due credit, mistakes happen, but not everything is black, when SEL composed pretty woman they gave due credit (and money to copyright owner), similarly ARR gave credit to L-P ji when he innovated the song choli ke peeche kya hai as ring ring ringa for slumdog M. If you buy original CD you will see this. I am 100% sure in future copying will only decrease. About what has happened in the past we can't change it.
Are you aware of reverse plagiarism of Bollywood music..?
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Sorry, I veered away from the topic a little bit. Guess I wanted to point out that originality should get more points than a greatly composed tune which was either copied or been inspired from another source.
If 90-95% of ARR's music is original and 70-75% of Jatin Lalit's music is original, then, only those compositions which fall in these percentages ought to be compared.
Over the years, I immensely enjoyed, like countless others, the best works of Rahman and JL. Human mind always tends to compare things - after all it's all relative in this universe - but once in a while we have to step back and give props to all the good ones without comparing them and making one the leader. In that sense, there could be several leaders standing in the same circle of space without stepping on each other's toes.
I don't know who plagiarized Indian music but I do know that Indian contributions to mathematics have not been given due acknowledgement in modern history and that many discoveries and inventions by Indian mathematicians were plagiarized by their Western counterparts. This mass plagiarism has gone unrecognized due to Eurocentrism. But I digress again...
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Posted: 16 years ago
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^^ one of my teachers read in the newspaper that even gravity was discovered by us... but i dunno if thats true or just some fake article...
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Babumoshaai

lol ok.. tell me what u think of it.. and ignore the picturisation if u dont like it 😊

its a beautiful composition with nice lyrics👏... I didn't watch it just heard it, its a short song.. was expecting it to continue and boom.. it was over😊
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: gumsum

its a beautiful composition with nice lyrics👏... I didn't watch it just heard it, its a short song.. was expecting it to continue and boom.. it was over😊



roshan was excellent.. shame his son gave such horrible songs...
roshan made another masterpiece...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzZ9vXKm910


but i like the one by abhilasha of voi.. check it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVXxifkFPVA
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I don't think its that easy to call out the distinction between copying and orginality specially when there r tiny miny differences here n there. Its very easy for two persons of same IQ to come up with two solutions or two compositions very similar or eaxctly similar in some very rare cases. You can say that one lifted it from the other unless you can somehow prove that the road they took to reach the same destinations are indeed different.
Patent the process but not the outcome. Can the outcome be different if the process isn't, makes me wonder..
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Babumoshaai



roshan was excellent.. shame his son gave such horrible songs...
roshan made another masterpiece...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzZ9vXKm910


but i like the one by abhilasha of voi.. check it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVXxifkFPVA

Oh it is a sad sad song😭😭, specially when m about to get married😭😭😭, very nice song👏, I haven't watched SVOI, it comes on star plus, right?
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: gumsum

I don't think its that easy to call out the distinction between copying and orginality specially when there r tiny miny differences here n there. Its very easy for two persons of same IQ to come up with two solutions or two compositions very similar or eaxctly similar in some very rare cases. You can say that one lifted it from the other unless you can somehow prove that the road they took to reach the same destinations are indeed different.

Patent the process but not the outcome. Can the outcome be different if the process isn't, makes me wonder..



hmmm... i doubt the outcome will be SAME.. probably similar in 1 or 2 aspects...

but pritam is an obvious lifter...

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