AR Rahman vs Jatin lalit

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Posted: 16 years ago

takin a page out of best guys book

Jatin lalit has given great songs for Kuch kuch hota hai,sarfarosh,jab pyar kisi se hota hai,ghulam,dilwale dulhaniya le jaayenge,jo jeeta wohi sikandar,fanaa,pyar to hona hi tha, khamoshi,yes boss,kabhi khushi kabhi gham,hum tum etc..

AR Rahman has given great songs for Lagaan, roja,dil se,dilli 6, bombay,rangeela,saathiya,jaane tu,guru,jodha akbar,etc

who do you like more?

As far as overall soundtrack, rahman is better... as far as my fav songs are concerned, j/l is better.

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Indradhanush

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Posted: 16 years ago

Very similar to Sonu Nigam saying SEL better composer than A R Rahman.

http://in.movies.yahoo.com/news-detail/45509/Shankar-Mahadevan-best-Indian-composer-today-Sonu-Nigam.html

And answer is same.

ARR is in a different league, he is more experimental, he would make a folk rhythm like kuchi kuchi rakkma and yet make it sound western though having a South India touch, of course about his editing, mixing, superimposing I have said a lot on another thread. There are examples and examples be it about rhythm [lets take Chaiyya chaiyya which has drums being played to create sound of a running train like R D Burman using tabla and flanger guitar to make rhythm for dhanno ki aanko me (Kitab)] or arangement (like dil ki baaten suna from 1 2 ka 4 or dil gira from Delhi 6 where he doesn't let the song run on a proper rhythm yet produces an exciting and forward moving pattern over all). I think if I sit down and jot down I will come with nearly 50 examples of similar nature. While he sounds shockingly western he has an Indian soul lurking behind, blessed with good knowledge of raaga and regaae his tunes still have a novelty.

Jatin Lalit have been more conservative and mostly forayed into semi classical and light music format, their arrangement has been very similar to R D Burman hence accused of copying him. In fact they have even used signature style of Pancham be it by using madal, tabla tarang or Nepali dholak. J-L have composed some very melodious tunes like songs from the films you have mentioned, each of them lots of gems. His pattern of prelude and interlude development are classical and within limits of what is prescribed till now.
Often simple things have strongest appeal hence his tunes are lilting. They have very good knowledge of raaga and classical and this is seen in their music like baho ke darmiya (raag darbari), zindagi maut na ban jaye (tilanga raag) or rooth ke humse kahi (khamaj), list is end less. I wish they had survived but duo separated on matters relating to finances.

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Summer3

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Posted: 16 years ago

Very well said Indraji. I value both their contributions but I expect much more from ARR in the years to come as he is still very active and innovative.👏👏👏

Edited by Summer3 - 16 years ago

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Originally posted by: Indradhanush
Very similar to Sonu Nigam saying SEL better composer than A R Rahman.
http://in.movies.yahoo.com/news-detail/45509/Shankar-Mahadevan-best-Indian-composer-today-Sonu-Nigam.html
And answer is same.

ARR is in a different league, he is more experimental, he would make a folk rhythm like kuchi kuchi rakkma and yet make it sound western though having a South India touch, of course about his editing, mixing, superimposing I have said a lot on another thread. There are examples and examples be it about rhythm [lets take Chaiyya chaiyya which has drums being played to create sound of a running train like R D Burman using tabla and flanger guitar to make rhythm for dhanno ki aanko me (Kitab)] or arangement (like dil ki baaten suna from 1 2 ka 4 or dil gira from Delhi 6 where he doesn't let the song run on a proper rhythm yet produces an exciting and forward moving pattern over all). I think if I sit down and jot down I will come with nearly 50 examples of similar nature. While he sounds shockingly western he has an Indian soul lurking behind, blessed with good knowledge of raaga and regaae his tunes still have a novelty.

Jatin Lalit have been more conservative and mostly forayed into semi classical and light music format, their arrangement has been very similar to R D Burman hence accused of copying him. In fact they have even used signature style of Pancham be it by using madal, tabla tarang or Nepali dholak. J-L have composed some very melodious tunes like songs from the films you have mentioned, each of them lots of gems. His pattern of prelude and interlude development are classical and within limits of what is prescribed till now.
Often simple things have strongest appeal hence his tunes are lilting. They have very good knowledge of raaga and classical and this is seen in their music like baho ke darmiya (raag darbari), zindagi maut na ban jaye (tilanga raag) or rooth ke humse kahi (khamaj), list is end less. I wish they had survived but duo separated on matters relating to finances.

yep definitely innovation is rahman's trump card...

and as far as j/l are accused of copying rdb, i dont see anything wrong in copying rdb...kumar sanu also bases his style heavily on kishore kumar, but there is quite a clear gap between them. When i listen to many songs that i listed,i never feel that"naaah.. these guys are cheap ripoff's."Its one thing to copy someone, but its another thing to still make songs which ppl go mad over..definitely rdb is j/l's guru, but we cant ignore the fact j/l were exemplary students.😊

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Originally posted by: Summer3
Very well said Indraji. I value both their contributions but I expect much more from ARR in the years to come as he is still very active and innovative.👏👏👏

yeah thats the problem with j/l...

they are working independently now, but i dont think thats the reason for their lack of success..they even reunited and gave crappy songs in mr black mr white.. they tried to give us something innovative but didnt do well at all.
my request to them would be to stick to making rdb like songs.. they're awesome👏

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Originally posted by: Babumoshaai

yeah thats the problem with j/l...

they are working independently now, but i dont think thats the reason for their lack of success..they even reunited and gave crappy songs in mr black mr white.. they tried to give us something innovative but didnt do well at all.
my request to them would be to stick to making rdb like songs.. they're awesome👏

Well another thing is that musical tastes have changed to some extent and most MDs have to keep abreast of what is happening and change too. Younger MDs are also entering the market.

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Posted: 16 years ago

Jatin Lalit duo were the one the best music director in bollywood music industry. Their songs are definitely melodious and hummable than AR songs. As ID said AR was never afraid of using instrument in his songs. I wish Jatin Lalit reunite once again and produce more music.

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Jatin and Lalit are good even though their strength lies in their togetherness and not when taken individually. But before you bestow greatness on any of these people, please visit the itwofs.com website and find out yourself about the blatant lifting of tunes by these supposed Indian "greats". You will have a change of heart, trust me.

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Posted: 16 years ago

Nice discussion going. Both have very different styles of composing as ID has very nicely explained.

JL have given great classic songs as BM has listed. I personally just love the simplicity in their music. They create tunes that are very hummable and their music is pretty soulful and relaxing to listen to. Definitely they are not as innovative as ARR but does it matter if they can create such great music by remaining conservative? Imagine if everyone tried to follow ARR's style of mixing unusual sounds, what would happen? Let's just allow ARR to continue doing that. It's nice to hear some innovative stuff but at the same time we do need our typical bollywood melodious music too. Agree with you guys that JL should get back together and also with BM that they should just stick to their 90s style.

About ARR, well he's a creative genious. But sometimes his music is so complicated it just goes over my head, or it just takes a while for me to like his songs while JL music usually appeals in the first hearing.

About plagarism. Oh yeah I checked out that site last summer and had a reality check. Not just JL, most Indian composers have lifted here and there. For me the important thing is that the majority of my favourite songs and the most classic songs of JL are indeed original, unlike Pritam.

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Gunjan

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Posted: 16 years ago

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Jatin Lalit are more traditional music directors, their music is deeply rooted Rehman on the other hand is unique, he is totally different than most of Indian Music directors offrered so far.

Don't get me wrong.. I like Janit Lalit specially the song "Tere hath me' from Fanaah but I like Rehman more, don't know why but his songs (not all though) appeals to me more n so that no other songs did. Some of his songs are out of this world I can say, May be his music is more western or more sofiana, I am a novice to comment on that part but all I can say is that his music makes me sense the hidden beauty out there, its so amazing that listening some of his romatic songs, I feel closer to the God.😊

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