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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Indradhanush

Making music takes a lot, extensive training, wisdom, natural talent and tapsya. That is by and large missing in the current generation of musicians. The degradation is truly global and right from music, lyrics and arrangement everything has taken a nose dive.

I agree. Do you think its because MDs are required to mass produce songs at such a high rate, seeing how so many movies are being released every week, despite the fact that a great amount of them flop? Or do you think its the fact that its the natural talent that is lacking? Success is something that one wants at the youngest age possible these days, but some of these individuals worked all their life to gain that wisdom and training, and became who they were. Perhaps that motivation is lacking in today's day and age.

Following stalwarts from league of classical music have hardly any successors:

Gangubai Hangal
Pt Bhimsen Joshi
Hari Prasad Chaurasia
Ustad Ali Akbar Khan

Some time back flautist H P Chaurasia said in an interview, many promising students have to kill their aspirations as they have to earn a living from other fields. Also not many in the current crop can undertake rigorous riyaz and training. In the past Mohd Rafi used to do paanch mombati riyaz, now we have HR, Anu Malik, AS even ARR correcting sur with softwares. There are musicians like Pritam who have a degree in mixing and editing at best. It is said R D Burman and Salil da could play any instrument they laid hand on, now a days musicians are giving job of making interludes to a group loyal to them, finally to kill the remaining spirit we have editing, mixing, software, how will quality come?

In today's day and age, devoting one's whole life to music isn't practical. One also needs to work to make a living. Perhaps that is why people are failing to enhance the natural talents that they do possess. Plus, especially in Bollywood, there are so many aspiring singers looking for the same recognition, that its hard to imagine that one's goals will be met. Luck plays a huge role there. We have singers like Neeraj Sridhar singing numerous songs, when some of these reality show singers possess a far, far better voice quality and perhaps even a greater knowledge of music.

As far as the technology goes, I think that one should learn to flow with the wind, and progress should only help us move forward not throw us back. Its okay to use these software/programs that will help enhance the music, but they should only be used to enhance talent, not to make talent out of no talent. Some MDs think that a good voice quality is enough, the rest these sur-correcting programs will take care of. I don't agree with that. Soon, sur won't matter anymore, one will only judging based on how unique a voice is.

And MDs today, take Pritam for example, are coming up with songs like "You Got Me Rocking and Reeling" and "Ai Pappi", of course there's no proper knowledge of instruments and/or music. The talent among MDs itself is deteriorating. The same rhythm/beat is taken, a different set of "english" lyrics is attached with a lot of loud background voices that drown out the singing and its called a "new song".


Also this is a stage managed era where a brand works. Musical reputation is no longer result of hard work but of oR and brand hype. Plus channels play music night and day to hammer a mediocre composition into your head.

The sole purpose of music these days seems dance floor/club songs. As though there is no other relevance to music or good music. If that is the case, why not compose upbeat numbers without the singers/lyricists and call it a day?

Thanks for your input, it was a pleasure read. 😊

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*



I've never heard that song before. 😆

Mere dil ka order? ... Koi seema na koi koi border? 🤣 There is no seema na koi border to the extent that these so-called "lyricists" are displaying such foolishness. 😆

you know what, I like this song ( Aye bachhu)😃 and i don't c nythin wrong with lyrics they are just more bindas and up to the mark.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*



Do you realize how ludicrous Bollywood movies are becoming just because they require such idiotic songs? Every other song is this way nowadays, I haven't seen a Bolly movie in quite a while, but if these "situational" songs actually create such "situations" in the movies, I think I'm better left watching from a distance. 😆



Actually now that I think about it, they're not all situational. a lot of faltoo songs are made just for the promotion of the film and are not part of the film at all.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Surkilla

you know what, I like this song ( Aye bachhu)😃 and i don't c nythin wrong with lyrics they are just more bindas and up to the mark.



hey...u can like watever u want.......but do u really think that the lyrics make sense?😆
Jhoom Le Jhoomjhama
Jhoom Jhamak Jhoom
Pairon Mein Ta Ta Thayee
Tum Tumaakk Tum😆😆😆

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: cal-gal



hey...u can like watever u want.......but do u really think that the lyrics make sense?😆
Jhoom Le Jhoomjhama
Jhoom Jhamak Jhoom
Pairon Mein Ta Ta Thayee
Tum Tumaakk Tum😆😆😆

Yup, I can😃😆 n I like this song with lyrics n all😊
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Surkilla

Yup, I can😃😆 n I like this song with lyrics n all😊



Hmm, guess I'll have to listen to the song then. 😊
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*



Hmm, guess I'll have to listen to the song then. 😊

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Posted: 16 years ago
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[quote]Do you think its because MDs are required to mass produce songs at such a high rate, seeing how so many movies are being released every week, despite the fact that a great amount of them flop? Or do you think its the fact that its the natural talent that is lacking? Success is something that one wants at the youngest age possible these days, but some of these individuals worked all their life to gain that wisdom and training, and became who they were. Perhaps that motivation is lacking in today's day and age[/quote]

First of all, in the current generation no MD is extensively trained, in the past many musicians worked as assistant for years before embarking on independent mission, now a days classical training is lacking, the best we have A R Rahman, has undergone training in Indian classical after he became a music director(from 1993-97). Being trained in classical is a different thing and being able to use the nuances to make a melody different , this is where Madan Mohan, S D burman were miles ahead. It comes from natural talent and training, I think both are missing in the current crop.

[quote]In today's day and age, devoting one's whole life to music isn't practical. One also needs to work to make a living[/quote]

I think one should come into music making only if he can devote into it fully. Remember there is fight mostly for the middle slot, top always has enough room to accomodate talent

[quote]Perhaps that is why people are failing to enhance the natural talents that they do possess. Plus, especially in Bollywood, there are so many aspiring singers looking for the same recognition, that its hard to imagine that one's goals will be met. Luck plays a huge role there[/quote]

More than luck PR exercise and connection now a days. What message is sent to the youth when the biggest composers are using besura voice like Anushka Manchanda. Plus the songs being made do not need well trained vocals like kavita ji hence they have gone to oblivion. What sort of vocals do you need for aye bachchu and maskalli?

Shall try to answer to rest of your observations later. About Pritam the less said the better. He copies his own tunes..!! recently I realised his famous song teri or is note by note copy of pehil mazar me from race, just write solfege notations...!

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*



I agree Billo Barber songs suck. Delhi 6 didn't sound all that great either, but I skimmed through the tracks.




See here guys, think of great songs like mere mehboob meri sanam, or dard e dil, or o hansini,kuch kuch hota hai , the south park theme, din dhal jaaye , yeh shaam mastani ,etc in today's movies.. hardly done.. why? i feel its because the tapori crap has been so well recieved and its quite easy to make compared to the melodies.. very rarely good songs like jab se tere naina or om shanti om songs are made, most make crappy dance numbers like mnd blowing mahiya or kraazzzy 4 🤢
Also i feel md's are unsure of whether melodies will blend in ,like all of u have been saying..
Or its just that these directors and producers ask for westernized tunes.. i am starting to see why ppl like rahman.. he's the only one who's retained the "indian" aspect.. but i still like shankar better because he makes westernized tunes like aaj ki raat and it STILL has melody in it.

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Posted: 16 years ago
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It's all about variety in every walk of life. You cannot wear a three piece suit every day. You got to wear your jeans once in a while. You cannot eat daal makhani every day. Once in a while you got to have pizza or pasta. You cannot listen to soft rock all the time. You got to listen to a hip-hop number to loosen up a little.
That said, commercial music is all about - you guessed it right - money. If it sells, it will be made. If it doesn't sell, it won't be made. The next question you should be asking then is - how is it selling and who's buying? Well, it all depends on which age group the music composers are targetting the most. It also depends on who the song is picturized on. For example, with Hrithik, I expect a good dance number because Hrithik is good at dance. I expect a romantic number with Shahrukh. And then there are exceptions. What kind of a role is the actor playing? If it's Aamir and if the movie is Sarfarosh, you expect classy numbers like "Hosh waalon ko khabar kya, bekhudi kya cheez hain". If it's Aamir and if the movie is Ghulam, you expect a tapori number like "Aati kya Khandala". So yes, it's situational, it's customized and it's targetted.
Lyricists and music directors are not the same most times. For Delhi 6, for example, Prasoon Joshi is the lyricist. ARR is the composer. They also have inputs from the other team members. It's a team effort. Rakesh Mehra will have his say. The actors will have their say. I heard that actors like Aamir and Shahrukh heavily influence the music of their movies. So let that sink for a moment.
The end product is what you listen to. You cannot quickly blame one person or one entity for the perceived deterioration in quality.

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