The hands you take and the hands you leave Part 63-Updated page 149 - Page 6

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Posted: 7 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: moonwearer

Shruthi isn't Dheeru being played by the actor that did Durgas dad in EHT?

Yes he is the same guy.
Shruthi, your short take on Mahabharata made me think on a subject which I had forgotten... Weren't the Pandavs ( mainly Yudhishter ) if not more then equally responsible for disrobing Draupti...it was Yudhishter who put her on stake ( other brothers were just mute spectators instead of protesting ) it was he who lost her ( never mind Shakuni cheated ) ... He had a choice, he was not FORCED to put her on stake...so WHY do we always blame the Kaurvas ? " Jab apno neh hi nahi baksha toh doosron ko kyun blame karein," ...WHY did Draupti or Krishna not held Pandvas responsible for it ? Why did they not take them to task for this ? Putting your wife on stake in gamble is a horrible act, a crime ...Is there any justification to this ? How can this act of theirs justified ? ...would love to hear your take on this .
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Posted: 7 years ago
#52
Navya by the time Draupadi was placed as a stake all the Pandavas had been lost. Yudhisthira was hoping against hope he would win and salvage the situation.
In the sabha Draupadi starts by questioning what right did a loser like Yudishtra have in placing his wife as a wager when he had lost himself.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@Navya when Panchali is placed as bet all other Pandavas had become slaves as Yudhi put each one of them as pawn. Bhima and Arjuna shrieks but Yudhi is tied by his dharma. The biggest punishment of Pandavas was the untied hair of Panchali. See in those days only widows left their hair open. Married women with husbands were supposed to tie their hair, do hair shringaar keeping chudamani, gajra etc. What more humiliation a wife can give to her husbands by reminding them each day for her they dont exist unless they avenge what happened to her because of them. Everyday they saw her untied hair which she tied only post Bhima bought Dussashan blood.
Also Pandavas lost their children too in the war. That was their punishment for not protecting the honor of their wife. Putting her as a stake, standing mute when she was humiliated. But they amended the wrong with their karma, fighting for what is right. Because of their trust in Narayana they were given a second chance.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#54
Thanks @moonwearer and Shruthi .
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Posted: 7 years ago
#55

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

Yes Vidya. Bhupinder Singh is playing the role of Dheeru and I love him in such roles. he is simply outstanding. Well when it comes to RKC every actor/actress is outstanding😃

@simran yes Pandithayan is a woman of wisdom which she has given to Anami. I like your theory to triads. Also everything moves in three. Only when third thing happen connection happen, 2 can always run in parallel but not three.


@Bold- Shruthi, not getting this. why can't three run in parallel? I get the trinity concept.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#56
6/10/2017 and 7/10/2017

Guys posting the analysis of last 2 days together. What I want to highlight in both the episodes is once again the hands. The choices. Adhiraj chooses to open upto Anami. The CBI officer is so perturbed with his father that somewhere his perception of his father is broken. I found him very lonely and lost. In the battle of justice this man is actually a broken piece. Choice as a son, choice as a CBI officer is already tearing into him. In Anami he finds the solace. I was happy that he opened up to her. We need to know what he spoke to Anami was that part of him, which he generally doesnt open up to anyone. What Anami opened up to him was also a part of her, which she doesnt open up with anyone else. Especially where she asks him permission to tell something. I loved that Adhiraj listened to her. Houses are made. Lack of trust breaks houses. Yes CBI officer should not trust anyone blindly. But Adhiraj the son, the brother, the friend has to learn to trust. I hope when she opens the report she kept safe or the day she knows what Adhiraj has done, she will be able to understand him. She can still choose irrespective of him being suspicious of her. Because in that choice will lie a lot of things.

Now comes Dheeru and Adhiraj. Yes Dheeru the father Adhiraj wants to hold on but not Dheeru the man who has plotted to get Royal Steel. He calls his father a criminal and Dheeru tells one thing to him. As per the system everyone is innocent till proven guilty. Visual proof. Once again visual proof is highlighted. To punish you need visual proof. Only then brain will understand what heart is telling. The destruction is to get the visual proof.

This can be classically seen in the boardroom of Royal Steel. Pujan chose Dheeru because Satrupa and the man from whom Dheeru took 25% supported Dheeru. He was going for Oberoi. But what will Vikram see. Loyal Pujan who will always support him. What is seen doesnt happen. What happens is not seen. Vikram will not understand it was actually Satrupa who played the major role in ensuring Royal Steel doesnt go to Oberoi. And this man needs to understand one thing. The result of trusting Pujan more than his own son. The way he insulted Baldev in public was too bad. I am not telling Baldev is right. He has many flaws. He may not be as efficient as Satrupa also. But does he deserve this much apathy from his father. Vikram is going to pay heavily for this. For chosing the hand of Pujan over and above Baldev. Hand Satrupa chose decided the fate of Royal Steel and it will have long standing ramifications.

Now again Anami taking the hand of Narotham. By the way I loved when Narotham saw her, she was sitting in the midst of those students performing snake dance, it looked as if she is sitting in midst of snakes unharmed or she knows to tame the snakes also. it did indicate Anami will handle the poison Sudha is going to throw at her. Yes Anami dealt with the snakes in a way a queen should deal. She did punish them. But gave them one chance. So yes Narotham will get one chance even when she knows the truth. Which hand Narotham will take then whether Sudha or Anami will decide how things will turn.

Sudha what to tell about this woman. one thing is very clear today. Whatever happens to this woman, whatever pain she is going to get, it is because of her karma, her action only. She hurt herself and trapped Anami. She is a master in mind games. Now she is making Anami feel like someone from LM is attacking her for talking to Anami. Again Anami will suspect Satrupa only. Her matlabi mataji. But the real real matlabi mataji is Sudha and Anami simply doesnt realize it.

Now coming to MB perspective of the story I want to highlight 2 parts. On one side that 50% partnership looks like the part of MB where Indraprastha is given to Pandavas and Hasthinapura to Duryodhana to ensure peace. Similarly here Dheeru comes after a hiatus to the company he has helped in raising and claims the 50% of it. But it is the most uneasy pause as we will obviously see the ugly infamous hall of dice as this coup has fallen through. Who will be the lady who will be made pawn in that game we need to see.
Another aspect is the Rs 10 coin Anami gave to Gayatri. It reminded me of the 10th day of MB war where Bhishma falls as the first sign of the fall of a system protected by him. If you look from front end it looks like Dheeru's coup but the players who have really done it are Adhiraj and Anami. yes Vikram is forced to forgo class and make his employee a partner. it is the beginning of fall of Vikram's beliefs. Just like Arjuna directed by Krishna send the arrows keeping Shikhandi in front, Dheeru slays the oppourtunity put forth by Anami and Adhiraj and they are hidden. So at this point Anami looks Arjuna and Adhiraj Krishna who made her a spy.Again it can change.

But whichever perspective you look. Whether it is about ugly infamous of hall of dice or the brutality of infamous Chakravyuha both happened after this temporary pause. Reason Shakthi has entered the field. A power that want to change the system and there are people who will go any extend to ensure this power is defeated. This Shakthi is destroyed. It can be disrobing a woman or it can be brutally killing a 16 year old, but change has to be resisted, the power trying to change the existing order of things has to challenged and destroyed. Game of power, game of illusion. Game of Shakthi, game of Maya begins with the fall of Bhishma in the war on 10th day, it begins with the Rajasooya and the Maya mahal of Pandavas in Indraprastha. So the darkness is going to fall and we dont know till when it lasts. But yes whatever be the darkness it has to give way to light whether it wants it or doesnt want it.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#57
I've already commented on yesterday's episode in a separate thread so I won't talk about that, but today's episode has quite some stuff to analyze like you already have done.

Satrupa's choice was in a way a deciding factor in this vote. She had two choices: (1) Oberoi, an outsider who would take over Royal Steels and steer it in a direction Vikram doesn't want, or (2) Dheeru, an old employee accused of treason and ousted. If she chose (1) then she would be forever seen as a baaghi in Vikram's eyes and the small chance she has of getting Anami accepted would disappear forever. Not only that, but Dheeru is an old employee and an old trusted hand of Vikram's. He was accused and ousted because of a game Baldev and Pujan played, but would he really take revenge by destroying Royal Steels? No. Because he's the one who warned Adhiraj of the takeover and forced Adhiraj to warn Vikram so that innocent lives would not be destroyed. Satrupa obviously doesn't know this latter part, but she does know that Dheeru warned Vikram and asked for 50% partnership for the 25% shares he has. He could have done anything with those shares if he wanted. In fact with 25% shares he becomes a 25% owner in the company and he could have voted down every move that Vikram and the board made, but he didn't. So Satrupa chose the obvious decision of supporting Dheeru and thus turned the tables on Pujan's game.

Now if Satrupa had chosen Oberoi, then she would be seen as going against Vikram, not Pujan. Because then if Pujan chose Oberoi, he could have said that he chose the person that Satrupa chose as he trusts his bhabhi. Suddenly Satrupa becomes the bad guy in Vikram's eyes. But now that Satrupa has chosen Dheeru, if Pujan chooses Oberoi he is not only seen as a traitor, but he could be ousted from the Royal Steels and would lose whatever chance he had at getting the Royal Steels. Thus he chose Dheeru for the time being until he's able to play his next move.

The way Vikram insulted Baldev in public was the worst thing any parent can do. Baldev already knew that he had no say in the company matters, but he was part of that Board. Why? Probably because Vikram gave him the impression that he had a say in the matter. And then just as Baldev raises his voice to vote, Vikram blows him off and tells him to leave. This is the best way to turn your own child against you. It explains why Baldev hates Satrupa so much. It explains why Baldev is so bitter and can't believe anything Satrupa says, even about his own child. It also will explain Baldev's future moves, especially if he does something that once again puts Royal Steels in danger. Baldev is not right (as you pointed out), but there are ways to handle things and Vikram did not do that very well.

I also liked the way Narottam saw Anami sitting between the dancing students, but the other thing I liked about it apart from what you pointed out was that it showed Narottam who Anami really is. In one fluid move, she not only made the 4 students indebted to her, but she also ragged them right back by calling it a step to friendship. She showed that she would teach people a lesson when it is needed, but also forgive them. It's the same with Narottam. She will teach him a lesson, but will also forgive him if he turns to the right side at the right time.
Edited by Athene - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#58
Wow am loving this discussion. Thanks Shruthi, @Athene.

Yesterday's episode I thought just for that scene where Adhiraj comes to Anami in utter confusion and Anami giving the advice on what happened, happens, will happen is not in our hands made me think that she was playing Krishna to confused Arjuna. But other times I always felt he is the Narayana bending rules to be righteous.

Again she not seeing the results immediately is good that way she will get her trust in Adiraj grow and will understand it is for her good. But we never know which hand she will choose.

Again between Dheeru and Adhi the conversation where he compares one to be the fire and water...fire to destroy ego and water to protect people of LM. The Shiva and Narayana!!! Was interesting.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#59
The winds of change are beginning to blow. The reasons were clearly represented in the causes Dheeru and Adi pick up.
The murder of Vatsalya to destroy the claimant to LM and RS. He would have got it in natural course of time. His brutal killing raises several questions. What next? Who? When Vikram is ready to annoying an outsider Satrupa brings Anami who they all think is foisted on them. The DNA test proove that despite efforts to suppress fact, truth will surface
Whatever doubts may have been there are laid to rest with the second test.
Adi opens up to Anami only after reading the report. He want to hide that he initiated the test and unknowingly let's the evidence to slip. she gathers it and does not open it but safely licks it up.
Vatsalya s murder necessitated A NB Anami s arrival. She is in danger she needs to be protected.
Anami is not interested in the politics shrouding LM. She is adept though in paralysing her opponent with her smart moves in the game of chess.
She plays the game with Narotham and Vikram. Her counter attack when Pujan takes over her terrain was interesting to watch.
She gathers the evidence in Pyjamas safe territory is almost choked yet is whisked away at the right moment by Adi
Avdoot rallies his rowdy friends to settle scores.Anami seems unfazed but the moment her identity is touched acts and goes through a dillemma recalling the words of pugli pandithain and Gayathri. Her past and her present
Yes evidence about the ragging reaches the power figure the principal and she with dignity saves their face and wins them over to her side.
Pujan and Avdoot will scheme and act, but Anami will make sweeping moves.
Sudha is trying her act using Narotham as her shield. She is distorting facts feigning helplessness and trying to evoke sympathy ontime the masks will be torn.
Anami would not let the best be ruined wilfully. The victim card Sudha plays training her guns from behind Narotham will soon be found.
Narotham will be followed and his deceit unravelled.
Dheeru is ensuring RS doesn't fall into wrong hands. The offer of 70 percent made by Oberoi has been rejected not because he lacks business sense but because he is doing it for justice. He is ensuring one person doesn't get an upper hand.
The choice of Satrupa. .she may have reluctantly chosen Dheeru yet it strikes a blow to Pujan. He was gloating till then and snacking his lips smelling victory.. but is left with no option but go with Vikram's choice.
The pitamah of the tale Vikramaditya was in ICU Pujan was acting to kill him there but that's when Dheeru enters the scheme and ensures he's saved
Timing plays a major role in the unfolding of the plot.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@Athene a very good analysis. Yes Satrupa had two choices and I would say she made an informed choice, giving credit to the fact that Dheeru came to them first while he had the option of selling it to Oberoi. Satrupa put Pujan in a mess. But that is the problem too. As each attempt for bloodless coup get thwarted, the game will move to messier planes as Pujan will take more risks, play more dirty and when it combines with Sudha's tactics it will go ugly.
Yaa that dance showed Anami's power. Yes she is a princess who will become a queen for sure. One chance has to come for Narotham. It has to come as only that can change the story

@visa see you are also right. Adhiraj Arjuna, Anami Krishna is also there. But what cannot be refuted is that A&A is a unit now. A unit which no one is seeing. A unit whose dynamics no one is understanding except Poonam. But Poonam too treats it as simply cupid play but it is much deeper than that. Janta hawaldar and benaras ki khudi has started speaking a language which in course of time only they will understand. And that language will turn all the tables. The roles can reverse as situation demands. He can be Arjuna she can be Krishna, she can be Arjuna, he can be Krishna. What I like most about the pair is that it is soothing for your eyes to watch them and you feel their connect with a smile. There is no falling tripping romance. There are no eye locks either. But each of their scenes bring an emotional satisfaction to you.

@vidya yes winds of change is beginning to blow. But all effort will be made to stop this winds, which will ensure the wind from a breeze becomes a storm and blows away everything in its path.

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