The hands you take and the hands you leave Part 63-Updated page 149 - Page 10

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Posted: 7 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

Yes Simran Pandavas also used many vyuhas. Vyuhas is nothing but war formations and each vyuha had needed a strategy of entry and exit. I know Pandavas made Ardha chandra vyuha. A vyuha in the shape of half moon. Chakravyuha was send to be the most complex of vyuhas and only Krishna, Arjuna and Pradyumna knew to break it. The complexity of Chakravyuha happened because the attack happened from both sides and it kept changing side as a rotating wheel. In other words unlike static vyuhas, Chakravyuha was said to be dynamic vyuha where it rearranged within itself with inward and outward movement.

Pandavas didnt use Chakravyuha as Drona knew to penetrate it and he was on other side. And I guess by the time Drona died, the war had no vyuhas and no rules with law of jungle ruling the roost.

AR can be a candidate for aslyum now itself 😆😆😆, also Anami is not Baldev. Sudha will play a dangerous trick I am sure as the FB of her being given injection was quite disturbing and brought out to what extend LM people will go to protect their lineage, class etc.



I am myself a big fan of the epics and not just of Indian origin, but I also take immense pleasure in gathering so much of values and knowledge from other countries and religion - their culture as well. I regularly read your analysis - and it awes me to such a great extent to see your vast understanding and depth of details in these situations and their outcomes. I'm awestruck half the time, and I don't even know whether I worthy enough to indulge in these brilliantly action-filled and bulb-lighting realization I get sometimes when I read your statements. But today I couldn't control myself...

The irony being the fact that if Arjun was present at the Kurukshetra, that moment ; that day - Abhimanyu would be still alive - and nothing would be as it is now. The fact being that Krishna cajoled and persuaded Arjuna to travel to another place to take care of a situation that had arose - when anybody could wrap it up. The all knowing Krishna used the trust that Arjun had in him - open to the fact that his Parth's son would be murdered in cold blood that day.

Arjun needed the anger - the infuriating rage that would fuel the victory. All his brothers needed to see the body of their nephew - soaked in red and cloaked in white - his sweet face - glowing by the diya burning violently beside him - for them to get their wake up call. For them to wipe out their hesitations and inquires. That it was the time for action - and not question. At the end of the day, it was all Krishna's play.

Similarily, Anami needs the setback, doesn't she? She might be beyond sharp and smart for her age, but she is still a child at the end of the day. Everyone she has dealt with have been frauds on a superficial basis. None of them had plans exceptionally sketched out - vengeance their sole aim. Deception running through their veins.

Anami still hasn't learned to value the art of deception. She still believes in the power of upfront honesty and white faced truth. Some fights have been won purely on deception. Whether it is Drona or Jayadrath. They used the truths, cleverly twisted the facts. She needs to learn that deception and truth are just facets of the same thing. When the truth is maligned, you use the deception to clean - just like we use one side of a towel and then proceed to the other.

Eventually - she will learn to use the blind trust Sudha has in the predictability of Anami's actions to the glory of her moves. For me, she should never regret trusting Sudha and Narottam. For they were wronged in one or more ways. She needs to see the extent to which they are ready to fall to - to bring destruction the family. The only way is to learn the truths - if she immediately learns the ways behind their action ; she will not be able to empathise with them. She will only fuel them more, instead of showing them that destruction has only ever lead to destruction. Despite any betrayal - there will come a day when she will give all of them their rightful places in the family. The Betrayal is necessary for her to understand that no action is ever black or white. We just need to see where the color-o-meter tips more towards to and impart any needed action to bring it to the much required balance.

She will learn to pay closer attention to her own words. "Dhoka khaaye ho iska matlab ye nahin, ki phir dobara vishwas hi na karo." " Har koyi ko sudharne ka mauka tho milna hi chahiye " - whether it's Satrupa, Sudha or Lal Mahal

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Posted: 7 years ago
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@Ammu- Awesome!

Hope you'll write more here.Enjoyed reading your take.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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WOW Ammu how beautifully you had written and you say you dont feel like writing. It is sad. I always encourage my readers to write their thoughts. Because only then the conversation becomes meaningful. There are times where I feel blank when I analyze, I know some scene means something, but cannot connect. When I put my analysis and when someone put their views at times it fills the blanks.
Today you bought a beautiful point. Yes trusting Narotham and Sudha is necessary to learn the art of deception, to understand darkness so that it can be used to bring light. The same thing Krishna did on 14th day of the battle when he hid sun in the chakra and when Jaydrath comes in direct line of fire the Chakra is removed.

We need to understand Krishna loved Arjuna very much and there is no parallel to their friendship in this world. What to tell of Arjuna who never blames Krishna for Abhi's death and that of Krishna who uses adharma to defend his friend. Yes defending Arjuna is dharma, but then for that defense Krishna uses adharma and we need to know Arjuna never demands it , infact Arjuna never demands proof of Krishna's friendship. But when the sun shines through as Jaydratha is in direct line of fire the world is given proof of Arjuna's choice. Why Arjun chose Narayan over Narayani Sena, that's why it is the most beautiful moment for me in the entire MB. The visual proof of Lord's existence and love.

But in that love he wanted to kill Arjuna's ego. Krishna knew what was going to happen on day 13 when Arjuna goes to fight battle on the other side. The clue was always there why he is diverted as only 12th day attempt was made to capture Yudhi and Arjun thwarted it. He should have known if he is getting diverted then the enemy camp is using something to which only he is privy of. He doesnt think and goes to fight the battle. In the evening only when he sees Abhi dead guilt seizes through him. He could have prevented it, if he had thought a bit about why he is being diverted. That's also when he learns you have to fight your battle. Only you can protect your progeny. The very same people his guru, his so called brothers didnt spare his child. The very same people he didnt wanted to fight and kill, killed his child in the most brutal way.

He listened to Yudhi, Kunti as a son as a brother when he allowed Panchali to be married to 5 people and allowed her disrobing in the infamous hall of dice. Today none of them could protect his child. It is the realization of his mistakes that has lead to the war and the vow that next day if he doesnt get Jaydratha he will chose death. Because Arjun finds no meaning in living when the realization comes to him. Day 14 is Arjuna and Arjuna alone as death incarnate. Everyone is afraid of him and Pandavas are afraid for him. When he fails his ego and pride is killed, when Krishna removes the chakra he realizes the love of his friend and I would say the true meaning of BG also.

Anami has to go through the mess Arjuna went through and she will come out of it successfully. Her ego will go, but she will be a better person.


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Posted: 7 years ago
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When the battle lines were drawn a code for fighting was drawn. It w as agreed by both to abide by it. the padmavyuh was formed and brojen. they realised that foul means had to be resorted. the young Abhimanyu with his partial knowledge was urged by his elders to move on and they would follow. yet he was cornered and all learned men family elders caused the blood bath. wisdom was of no avail there was no compassion no affection . when the foul mode was adopted Krishna decided to resort to trickery too.
when karna need it most his knowledge could not be applied what he inherited as a protective armour was ripped off him. when his chariot was stuck he was attacked. Karna had been involved in the massacre of Abhimanyu. he had whipped up the humiliation of Draupadi.
Drona had swerved from the dharma of his varna . By picking up arms he had transformed into a Kshatriya .
There is a goodness in Arjuna who wonders if war would be worthwhile and the helplessness of not being able to protect his young son from the enemies who did not hesitate to gang up and kill the child fires him up.
we need to see if the facts of the brutal way Vatsalya was killed akin to Abhimanyu is what would turn Baldev.
Sudha was back stabbed literally as the sedatice injected when she waa deceitfully embraced maybe.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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In several so called aristocratic fam ilies a marriage among equals is what gets accepted and celebrate d. Baldev could have fallen for a commoner or he might have been shared for his standing. Sudha seems to be schizophrenic from the way she hurts herself and destroys the nest so keeping her away seems the ideal way out.
It has no doubt been unfair and it is not merely Narotham but Baldev also who has been humiliated and disinherited.
The family has never had a girl child and Dhanu when she carries the infant to the ghat says her fate would have been different had it been a boy. Somewhere the wishful thinking or hope against hope Gayathri harboured for long could be the reason she connects to her grand daughter.
If Guruji had made his prediction in the presence of all, I'm sure the choice of abandoning the girl is what they would have arrived at and maybe Anami would have got a second citizen status in her own home.
It could have caused resentment and hurt in her. Pagli pandithayan and Shradh pandit have helped her flower as a free thinking confident young woman. Her abandonment actually has worked in her favour.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@ Simran - Thank you so much for those kind thoughts ! I will try definitely ! :))

@ Shruthi That is very sweet of you ! Yes point and point. It is that blind ego and pride in whatever one is that is harmful and can cause destruction. However good one's nature is , however beautiful one's upbringing has been - there is always room for more. There are always and will be flaws in your judgements and point of views. The best imperfection is to embrace those flaws, and give a fair listening to the other. But again, blind faith in anyone or anything is what is malignant. Even Satrupa - Anami would have to show her to revisit her views on the tortured soul Narottam - once he is reformed. Lord Krishna - the almighty teaches this to Arjuna. While he was hesitant to hurt his own, his own on the other side under the veil of dharma and vows were mercilessly attacking his own. While he didn't pay much to soldiers, it was stab in the heat when it reached to his own son. Anami needs to understand Satrupa - only then can she succeed. She has yet to realize that she has never given chance to Satrupa to reform - to try and behave like a mother. She is defiant - and Satrupa has no other go but be manipulative to make her stay back. But still, being abandoned is such a hopeless feeling ; was she not even worth an explanation ? - and she will take out her anger for crushing the feelings of a 7 year old Anami - as she realized that she was adopted. She will have to learn the hard way - which will also polish her in ways that she would never realize had she readily believed Satrupa.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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10/10/2017

Raju beta( I will call AR as Raju beta, it is easy) your father told one thing right. It was fine to lift Shiv Dhanush and marry Sita in Tetra Yuga. But in Kaliyuga it is tad bit boring. The fun of Kaliyuga is when Rukmini is whisked away from the marriage mandap, topsy turving all plans. And to be frank coming to Anami and admitting your guilt and get scolded by her looked it boring and then punching bag. Who will see your pain if you remain within maryada. It is fine in Tetra yuga you know. In Kaliyuga if maryada doesnt work, then you have to become makhan chor. I am very pleased with you. You are showing improvements. Yaa it is to tell sorry, but yar Raju beta, you went into a girl's room. Very good improvement and you hid from Dadi. Perfect. In few more days you will move from maryadapurushottam to makhan chor and manmohan of someone.

Jokes apart I want to tell one thing. The relationship of A&A is beautifully etched by CVs. I would say Ila under estimated the bond. She really under estimated it. Yes Anami is angry, I wouldnt say just angry, she is in deep pain the kind of pain you feel if mirchi is put on your wound. She doesnt care she hurt Adhiraj by throwing the mirchi in his eyes. Lot of pain she is going to give this man. And lot of pain he is going to give her. Yes a time will come, where she will hurt him and then walk away from him, closing the door at him. But when she knows he is gone, she is not going to be happy. She is not as that eyes searched Adhiraj when she opened the door. Yes something will happen between them because of which their relation looks like broken for the outside world.
Then because of Tanya he will re enter her life. That entry is in Anami's room, and it is not a direct entry. At night he comes through the window. I dont know whether Cvs have any plan for A&A marriage and how they will show the marriage of a 17 yr old as Anami has to be eighteen for the wedding. But yes today there is a symbolism of marriage which looks yes from Adhiraj side, it is not a no from Anami side as she doesnt shout or call people, but then it is not a yes from her side. Whatever or however it is going to happen it is linked to Tanya.

Dheeru has played the card to protect his family. Adhiraj feels he is using his children for the purpose. Dheeru says he will back out, but will he stop fighting. Adhiraj says he will fight for justice and Dheeru asks him to Shyam than Ram. I would say Dheeru is wrong here. Whether it is Ram, whether it is Shyam both are Narayan and Narayan always stands for Dharma, always stands for justice. Ram has fought within the system, so has Shyam. Only difference is that Ram lived his life and showed the path. Shyam not only lived his life, but also showed the path for another. Shyam is more a teacher, mentor while Ram was a normal man who performed all roles within the limits of maryada. Here if Adhiraj has to become Shyam then he has to show the path of fighting to Anami or if he is Ram he will fight it out with her. Anyways it will be justice and not revenge.

As expected Kamini is intelligent and as I predicted Kamini makes the first move. Why not relationship with the only daughter of Dheeru. So it seems the relation of Dheeru and Baldev is broken, Dheeru doesnt have any direct enemity to Pujan. Adhiraj wont spare Pujan. Pujan doesnt know Adhiraj is Dheeru's son. He is interested in the proposal. Tanya is interested in Avdhoot. Let us see how this card opens up. So Pujan wants to take Dheeru's hand

Baldev agreed with Satrupa on what she will do after Dheeru saves Royal steel. She wants to take the hand and then leave it.She says Dheeru is the present of Royal steel and Anami the future. No Satrupa. You cannot throw Dheeru out. Your daughter wont allow. It simply wont happen. The queen will choose the king. Once again the question of disinheriting Anami will come, just like the love for Sudha ended up in disinheritment for Baldev. But if Vik doesnt want to disinherit Avdhoot if something comes up for him with Tanya, then Adhiraj can never be the reason for disinheriting Anami. But even there the question will come. Tanya comes to the family and Anami goes from the family. But as the dice for war is getting lined up, love is throwing its dice. A dice no one is seeing. A dice no one is hearing. A dice no one is feeling. A dice that will throw a number at the most appropriate time against which no one will have any defense.

One more thing for A&A. After Dev and Durga of EHT, this is the romance I am enjoying to the core. It touches a beautiful chord somewhere inside you. It shows to make one feel love you dont need eye locks neither do you need falling and tripping. It is seen in eyes and eyes alone can make anyone feel the intensity of love. Both Mahima and Ankit are sealing every scene.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Totally agree about the A A romance , am slowly warming up to them as a couple. Today the way he stealthily entered her room was really cute . Another couples romance I really like is Pujan and kamini , they are super cute !! The Satrupa Baldev scene was intriguing , this two can actually make a good team and play the game , hopefully there are more scenes when they cooperate and work towards a common goal.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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yes hugsandkisses there is a age gap between them, surely somewhere between 8-10 yrs, but then you dont feel it. They are as good as get, set, go.
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Posted: 7 years ago
Shruthi, am curious about the three dur-devtas Kamini spoke about in her night-mare, is it indicating Sudha's entry to LM?

The Pandeys have become quite intriguing now a days. Dheeru won't fall for Pujan's trick & I feel Satrupa will out-smart him and may pull off an Anami-AR union before that.

I like D's stand he's fighting his own way and Ar sounded really naive talking about his officer's pledge in front of him.

lot of hints towards status quo changing in MiRaj's relation.Anami said end of Chapter friendship. I'm curious to see the rescue from the lab, it'll be the third time MiRaj will be in the smoke, and it'll be a tipping point somehow.

I'll give Illa the benefit of doubt, if Anami had behaved normally and treated that paper with more respect she would have just left, it was AR's "Shut up" and Anami's annoying attitude that triggered her to be spiteful.

I want to see Dheeru & Tanya trying to figure out "who's the girl"😆

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